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Old 08-20-2008, 03:04 PM
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Out of curiousity and with respect to your future brother in law, but what gave the pastor the audacity and comfort to write such a letter? Could he by any chance think your brother in law thinks that way? And why?

And how did your brother in law react to it? I am not saying your brother in law is that way as you know him better but just help your sister in love, look at everything clearly. We know how love overlooks.

The pastor..well.. you'll be amazed how many christian men think like he does.

And the sisters accept it because..well... that is all they know and scripture is manipulated to make that point and who wants to argue with the scripture especially in a culture that greatly and unscripturally exalts pastors.

Trust me I take no offense. The man wrote it even without my sister's fiance knowing and after it all happened it became hell for him because my sister's pastor got involved and summoned him to atlanta and the wedding was postponed. I guess the good thing is that we have alot of men in our family that we are close to and we listen to their counsel.
I know my sister knows that her fiance is not abusive but she chose to listen to the counsel of her pastor and wait. After that email I made it a point to get to know him better and he is not that type. The pastor got up one sunny day and decided that he would take a break from the women in his church and mess with the wrong one. I know my sister's fiance is wondering why the man had put sand in his garri but these days you can never be too careful. They can wait to get married. I am even proud of him though I will not say it to him
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Here is the problem i have with this submission thing, no one ever comes out and describes what submission is!

it's one thing to say "submit to me, i am your husband" but what exactly is submission?
my idea of submitting is different from my mother's idea of submitting, and my grandmother's.
...honestly...the whole 'submission' thing is played out....well..make I read on and see how it's defined....

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Interesting Article I must say, I would like to know what you ladies and of course men think about it - - and yes i stole it from NIA - Buda shoot me

How losing their femininity has moved many away from God

LOOKING AROUND it’s easy to get the impression that women have forgotten how to behave like ladies.

It seems that women have thrown femininity, that aspect of their being that makes them unique and different from men, out the window, as they compete with men in the workplace, at home and in their relationships.

One writer even admitted that aggressively pursuing her career, and a failed marriage, had caused her to lose touch with her femininity. When she went on dates men actually told her she wasn’t feminine enough.

Unfortunately, Christian women aren’t always that different. They can get so caught up with achieving career goals, volunteering in church ministries, and juggling various roles, their femininity takes a back seat.

Being feminine is one of the joys of being a woman and we express it in how we dress, how we act, how we treat others and how we relate to men. Being able to express our femininity signifies confidence, respect for ourselves and others, and celebrates the fact that God did not make a mistake when he made us.

During a recent holiday in Jamaica, I participated in many discussions about the state of black relationships. One comment several people expressed was that too many young women behave like men in their relationships by being aggressive and treating sex like it was nothing.

They said although men would happily have sex with such women, they wouldn’t have a long lasting relationship with them.

The Bible gives guidelines on the kind of qualities a woman should develop, such as a caring attitude, compassion, understanding, hardworking, have love for herself and others and be respectful.

It also lists another quality that the modern woman has great problem with – submission, particularly when relating to men. This may be due to the influence of feminism, or more likely they have witnessed their mothers, relatives and friends being abused and mistreated by the men in their lives.

However, the truth of the matter is, that feminine women understand that being submissive is not a weakness – it can be a strength if they know who they are and love themselves.

In fact, women who can be submissive when called for tend to have successful relationships with men because they set healthy boundaries for themselves, and if a man oversteps the mark they usually send them packing.

The great thing about being a 21st century woman is that the world is our oyster. Anything is achievable. But, in pursuing our goals and living up to our beliefs, women should not lose touch with their femininity.

God will direct us on how we should behave in each situation, but we will find our lives richer as a result of being who He made us to be - women who love Him, ourselves and others.
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..ok..I read the thing...and...I think what the thread meant to say was that a lot of women have gotten so 'independent' and aggressive in their demands and expectations that they do not know how to balance the two anymore.Some...not all.I don't think he/she meant to say a woman should totally lose all sense of self to a man but allow him a little bit of leverage but also set boundaries..afterall...women have also always asked men to 'be a man'....In the case of the career driven women,I guess because in the workplace,she's had to be @ loggerheads with men in decision making and then carried that aggressive approach over into her personal relationships..almost like..she could not differentiate between coworkers and dates when dealing with men.Some are so aggressive they don't allow themselves to be spoiled because the man may feel he's gonna encounter a veto along the way.."I can do that for myself"....That said..the one wey the pastor dey tell woman sey she be zero..dat na opaks...some pastors don forget sey these are not "Biblical" times......but not all pastors are like that though...some give fantastic advise..."Treat her like your Queen"...and "make him feel like a King"...I heard one say....so..it depends on who dey yan...
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I second u on that first line Thickmadam, I need someone to describe that also....................
Maybe giving the man ya paycheck every month will be one of the definition.

WE ARE ALL EQUAL.......... well, culture and tradition is way way misused in the submission topic....... well MONEY says it all.....
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submissive???

Making all this gramma short - What do you think men???
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Are we still here discussing?

Make people choose the partner wey good for them and stop complaining about other people's choices. Haba!
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I would agree that I have lost touch a bit with the feminine side of me. I have been trying over the years to develop but it's very hard...getting there slowly though.
I do agree that women seem to have lost their feminine sides but the same seems to go for the average men. They're a lot more feminine now than back in the day.
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I would agree that I have lost touch a bit with the feminine side of me. I have been trying over the years to develop but it's very hard...getting there slowly though.
I do agree that women seem to have lost their feminine sides but the same seems to go for the average men. They're a lot more feminine now than back in the day.
What makes you feminine and who defined those things?
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