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01-15-2006, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by khamileon
There's no need to educate someone like you who's not prepared to learn.
If i want to go on the offensive, I have lots of scriptures in the bible to back it up, but you know absolutely nothing about the Quran. You'll be surprised how much I know about the bible. I'm not as ignorant as you are. I know about both religions(Meddeen) .
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As long as we live, there is always going to be a need to educate someone... and when it comes to faith, beliefs, religious issues we should never get tired. Again there was no place 4Satat indicated her unwilingness to learn (ur personal interpretation) because you usually choose to see a small portion and not the big picture. How many times has she stated that she grew up amongst moslems?? Her close friends moselm, She almost got married to a Moslem.... To you, these are from someone who's not prepared to learn?? How come she respects other Moslem's post?? All of a sudden its about The Bible and Quran?? From reading some of your post on this forum, there are people that will conclude that you might have read the Bible and Quran, but never grasp any of their meaning. WHY??? simple! because that's how you come across (to some) GOD doesnt belong to any particular person, he is UNIVERSAL and the Creator of all. (Understand this simple wisdom) You yourself have said that we dont understand God, (so how are you sure) if you stand in his presence today he wont tell you He prefares 4Satat or Samira to you?? And then what would you do, fight him because you always want to be right when it comes to religious issues?? No, my brother you cant fight God... thats why you have to love 4Satat and not just Samira alone but every other person. because they are part of GOD'S creation. Whether their questions comes across stupid or annoying is irrelevant..... Do your best in answering and leave the rest to GOD... that way you would have proven to God/Man/yourself that you have tried your best to love your fellow human regardless
Niether I nor any other person here can force/lecture/impact knowledge of GOD on you.. all I can do is give a brotherly advice and here it is...... When you are dealing with the Issue of GOD, totally remove ANGER from your mind and replace it with LOVE... that and that alone is the only ways you can forward God's course. The secret of Heaven/Paradise or whatever name we choose to call it are only two
1. LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, MIND AND SOUL
2. LOVE YOUR FELLOW HUMAN AS YOURSELF
Fasting and praying a million times without these two is the biggest joke and most stupid act anybody can perform. Dont believe me, inquire this from higher authority u respect.... SHALOM & ONE LOVE ALWAYS......[/quote]
Bro, hopefully we'll discuss more when we meet eachother. Even if you don't come to the UK, I'm planning to visit my cousin in Holland this year. So God willing, we'll definitely meet eachother this year. Boy have I got a surprise for you.
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01-15-2006, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Meddeen250
As long as we live, there is always going to be a need to educate someone... and when it comes to faith, beliefs, religious issues we should never get tired. Again there was no place 4Satat indicated her unwilingness to learn (ur personal interpretation) because you usually choose to see a small portion and not the big picture. How many times has she stated that she grew up amongst moslems?? Her close friends moselm, She almost got married to a Moslem.... To you, these are from someone who's not prepared to learn?? How come she respects other Moslem's post?? All of a sudden its about The Bible and Quran?? From reading some of your post on this forum, there are people that will conclude that you might have read the Bible and Quran, but never grasp any of their meaning. WHY??? simple! because that's how you come across (to some) GOD doesnt belong to any particular person, he is UNIVERSAL and the Creator of all. (Understand this simple wisdom) You yourself have said that we dont understand God, (so how are you sure) if you stand in his presence today he wont tell you He prefares 4Satat or Samira to you?? And then what would you do, fight him because you always want to be right when it comes to religious issues?? No, my brother you cant fight God... thats why you have to love 4Satat and not just Samira alone but every other person. because they are part of GOD'S creation. Whether their questions comes across stupid or annoying is irrelevant..... Do your best in answering and leave the rest to GOD... that way you would have proven to God/Man/yourself that you have tried your best to love your fellow human regardless
Niether I nor any other person here can force/lecture/impact knowledge of GOD on you.. all I can do is give a brotherly advice and here it is...... When you are dealing with the Issue of GOD, totally remove ANGER from your mind and replace it with LOVE... that and that alone is the only ways you can forward God's course. The secret of Heaven/Paradise or whatever name we choose to call it are only two
1. LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, MIND AND SOUL
2. LOVE YOUR FELLOW HUMAN AS YOURSELF
Fasting and praying a million times without these two is the biggest joke and most stupid act anybody can perform. Dont believe me, inquire this from higher authority u respect.... SHALOM & ONE LOVE ALWAYS......
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Bro, hopefully we'll discuss more when we meet eachother. Even if you don't come to the UK, I'm planning to visit my cousin in Holland this year. So God willing, we'll definitely meet eachother this year. Boy have I got a surprise for you.  [/quote]
I told u we will be together, brobably do some stuff together this year by God's grace.... mainwhile this thread is to educated people and not just exclusive for us alone..... so it will be better to put ur own opinion down
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01-15-2006, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by khamileon
Bro, hopefully we'll discuss more when we meet eachother. Even if you don't come to the UK, I'm planning to visit my cousin in Holland this year. So God willing, we'll definitely meet eachother this year. Boy have I got a surprise for you.  I told u we will be together, brobably do some stuff together this year by God's grace.... mainwhile this thread is to educated people and not just exclusive for us alone..... so it will be better to put ur own opinion down
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oh, see two intelligent men who know how to agree to disagree on topics...Meddeen and khami keep it up...at the end of the day we are all brothers and sisters no matter the difference in our faith....u both have a nice evening....goodnight.
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01-15-2006, 06:40 PM
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Neither did I say there are senseless laws in the Quran.... I use the Bible as an example to show that MEN makes faults and not GOD... If somebody shows me in any scripture that God says I should jump off a cliff, I will refuse and say God didn't say that, but man added that (for whatever reason) If an Angel appears and tells me God says I should jump from a cliff and worship him, I will tell that Angel that he is 419.... Definitely the devil in disguise and rebuke him in the name of Christ..... At the end we all have to face God and give account. There are certain things he gave us Simply knowledge to understand that we don't need an expert to lecture us on ........ Yes I am a Creation/Child of God and so I would question anything that looks contradictory to what my Father/Creator would say/command. God is the only one PERFECT.. every other person/preacher/pastor/prophet has his limitations and makes mistakes and mis-represent God sometimes... That is why we are Human! Humans are not super beings whether they be prophets/pastors... hey are still humans prone to mistakes and sin. to think otherwise is comparing them to God which is total foolishess in my book. Even Moses one of the greatest prophets that ever lived, made mistake that cost him dearly (He never entered the promised land after he worked so hard for it)) So yes I would question anything that doesn't sound right and not follow anything blindly because Moses says so!..... Thats not serving God, it is called Stupidity! Understand the difference, Preachers/Pastors/Prophets/Angles all have their limitations because they are not the same as GOD!... GOD & GOD alone is PERFECT
PS: There are only two LAWS required by GOD.....
1. LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, ALL YOUR SOUL AND ALL YOUR MIND
2.LOVE YOUR FELLOW HUMAN AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF.
Any other law aprt from these is Taiwan! (419)
If in your religion you are not allowed to question God, I can understand. In mine, I am very much allowed to question him in anything that am not clear about or anything that doesnt make sense to me. And he would provide the answer to me... We are encouraged to seek a personal relationship with God and not focus on what one Pastor say. Stay fine bro! Digest what I said and holla back.... Its always love from this end. Khami signing out!
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Since you want me to continue this discussion, I will.
The coloured section of your post has answered all your questions. Muslims don't change things written in the Quran or question God. What ever happens, it's the will of God almighty. He has a reason for every decision he makes. He sees things we cannot see.
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01-15-2006, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Meddeen250
The level of ignorance on this thread is increasing every hour. I think I'll stay out of this thread before I say something that's not pleasant QUOTE]
Very strange that this is coming from you! The same you that is obssesed with Fake pastors looting money and their fake miracles.. If that didnt get to me, why should this get to you??. You are my friend, brother, family and I should be free to say or ask anything, and all you have to do is give your own view and if you dont know say so! You cant get so emotional and angry, you know why?? Because you can never fight for GOD, he can take care of himself... untill u understand that basic logic you are always going to be feeling sad when ever u feel anybody is attacking your faith or believe... Strange enough, you do that more than any other person on this site to Christians, so u should be able to take a lil of the Heat. (if thats what this is to you) Till now you have not been able to fault one argument or enlighten anyone (Samira bless her, has been doing more of that instead) I want you to respond to my post up there and not get emotional cause till now I have not said anything against GOD.... God and God alone deserves our praise and worship and not some Pastor/Prophet for all we know they might not make it to heaven. Shalom brother and hit back!... Its still one love!
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Again the fake churches thread was out of personal experience and it's not a secret that there are many fake churches in the world today, especially in Nigeria.
Now to the real issue, there's a difference between asking and criticising. I will be pleased to enlighten anyone who ask, as long as I know the answer. But some people criticise without asking. There's nothing wrong with criticising, but the criticisms should be constructive not ignorant (as some people have sounded).
I'm going to enlighten you about obeying God's law.
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01-16-2006, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Meddeen250
Obariba, can't you get it into your head that I don't have your time on NR? I've been staying away from you or your posts cos you're not one of my friends, neither are you among my favourite members. As a matter of fact, I don't like anything about you, so please try and get the message and stay away from me. I want the feeling to be mutual. Thanks.
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So why was the Stanley Tookie thread an exception ??? I want to know now why mallams line up on the road side with filthy little plastic kettles washing their manhoods in public ?? Also since u are an expert on Fake pastors what about the fake Imams that sing all day through the speakers at the mosque ????? Who investigates if they are real or fake . Meddeen how did you enjoy that ham sandwich ????
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01-16-2006, 01:22 PM
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Meddeen and by the way - you wont stop hearing from me untill you stop making a mockery of Christians and Christianity. I am still curious about Suicide bombers and moslem infidels too !! I want to know why the black stone is standing in Mecca you believe its the devil ?? or is that a graven image that moslems worship ?? Why are moslem men having sex with 10 year olds and causing tham pain and suffering ?? Are they fake moslems or what ? You seem to have a problem with Deliverance - So do the Imams do some kind of dDeliverance on Suicidal moslems that want to kill themselves and innocent women and children ???
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01-16-2006, 01:34 PM
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Allahu Akbar, Mallam Medden, you are reallyn not helping matters, be gentle in spirit and tell them peacefully about Islam. Thank you.
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01-16-2006, 01:55 PM
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GBAM! cause there is absolutely nothing myesterious about the Deaths cause it's caused by over-crowding.... My own is when are they gon start doing something about this deaths?? Is it possible to stop the Ritual altogether?? Cause every Moslem pilgrim wants to stone the kabbah and this usualy results to deaths of innocent people... I think something must be done to save these lives
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You are making the assumption that moslems care about preserving life. I am yet to see or hear about a campaign to stop moslem suicide bombing ! I am not convinced that Moslems Fundamentalist have respect for the Human life ! I dont think they care about people dying at Hajj ! It must be a big money maker or form of tourism and they also know people will always go to Mecca in order to carry the title Hajia or Alhaji !! I doubt if they will ever implement safety precautions to manage the crowds !!!
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01-16-2006, 02:09 PM
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So why was the Stanley Tookie thread an exception ??? I want to know now why mallams line up on the road side with filthy little plastic kettles washing their manhoods in public ?? Also since u are an expert on Fake pastors what about the fake Imams that sing all day through the speakers at the mosque ????? Who investigates if they are real or fake . Meddeen how did you enjoy that ham sandwich ????
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I'm not going to argue with you because liquids should find their levels. You're clearly not in my level, so arguing with you will be a complete waste of time.
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01-16-2006, 02:12 PM
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You are making the assumption that moslems care about preserving life. I am yet to see or hear about a campaign to stop moslem suicide bombing ! I am not convinced that Moslems Fundamentalist have respect for the Human life ! I dont think they care about people dying at Hajj ! It must be a big money maker or form of tourism and they also know people will always go to Mecca in order to carry the title Hajia or Alhaji !! I doubt if they will ever implement safety precautions to manage the crowds !!!
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According to the information I heard (CNN) they tried there best to control the crowd. They deployed about + - 60,000 armies to monitor the whole exercise but unfortunately it still happen. I don't think Saudi is surviving through Hajji Money; God already blessed them with oil.
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01-16-2006, 02:20 PM
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According to the information I heard (CNN) they tried there best to control the crowd. They deployed about + - 60,000 armies to monitor the whole exercise but unfortunately it still happen. I don't think Saudi is surviving through Hajji Money; God already blessed them with oil.
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My brother, you amaze me. Why are you wasting your time on someone who doesn't know her left from her right? Imagine her comments that Suadi Arabia only care about the money. A country that has more resources than it can handle. They spend over $300 million on charities each year after the Hajj. Her comments show how low her level of intelligence really is.
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01-16-2006, 02:21 PM
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There is no problem about the gathering but trouble of death comes when they started throwing stones. I'm sure some people will be tramped in that process and part of the stone they throwing is the one that hit people to death. People stoning each other because their stones couldnt reach the devil (the black stone).
Since the action cant stop, the death wont stop.
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There is no problem about the gathering but trouble of death comes when they started throwing stones. I'm sure some people will be tramped in that process and part of the stone they throwing is the one that hit people to death. People stoning each other because their stones couldnt reach the devil (the black stone).
Since the action cant stop, the death wont stop.
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@highlighted. You're funny.
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01-16-2006, 02:47 PM
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My brother, you amaze me. Why are you wasting your time on someone who doesn't know her left from her right? Imagine her comments that Suadi Arabia only care about the money. A country that has more resources than it can handle. They spend over $300 million on charities each year after the Hajj. Her comments show how low her level of intelligence really is.
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I dont know my left from my right ? Huh...... so why are people dying now inspite of all the wealth in saudi Arabia?? If their resources are so much ... You would think that the most holy ritual in Islam will get as much coordination as possible but still people die like flies in the name of Hajj !!Meddeen you really believe you are Intelligent ..huh ?? You are hallucinating !! You are the dumbest Sierra Leonian that I have ever known ,that is why you are not among your own simply because even on Sierra Leonian websites you are a known dummy !! It is only Nigerians that can put up with your dumb posts on this website !!
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