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02-20-2006, 10:21 AM
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How many of these people protesting actually saw the cartoon? Are they protest what they know or what chief Imam pass on to them? I bet islam is still a peaceful religion! Many artist painted the Last Supper a gay super and not a single blood was spilled.
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They want to feel among now ...what do u expect !!!
Like Benin said I think its time to turn Naija into a Confederency ...I have made this suggestion before...that way the northerners can do their Sharia thing and go back to the dark ages and the rest of Nigeria will do its thing !
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02-20-2006, 11:01 AM
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They want to feel among now ...what do u expect !!!
Like Benin said I think its time to turn Naija into a Confederency ...I have made this suggestion before...that way the northerners can do their Sharia thing and go back to the dark ages and the rest of Nigeria will do its thing !
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 Yes, I think this is clearly the only way that nation is ever going to really get its act together. The contras' between the north and south are just too great to get anything done and done right in that place, yet an complete balkanization of the nation obviously wont be accepted nor is it warranted to achieve the desired success of the nation.
Confederacy is a middle-ground in which all can agree to. It will allow the nation to stay as one, yet at the same time give the different regions the autonomy they desire... to do what they feel is best for their people, and all of the lawful citizens of the nation will be happy. That nation is just way too diverse to be a federation. It's for spacial nations like Naija that the concept of the Confederacy was established.
Actually, Confederacy is the perfect cure for many of Africa's troubled nations with serious internal conflicts. It's the perfect middle-ground system of governance. African tribal nations have used the concept for centuries in an effort to maintain their internal oneness, as most large tribes are made up of a union of various subsections!!
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02-20-2006, 11:14 AM
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nope I don't agree.
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02-20-2006, 11:27 AM
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Not that I agree with all the violence by the Hausa's in Northern Nigeria. But please, come on, there is no smoke without fire you know. People cannot just simply be attacking others just like that.
Once a man approached the Messenger of Allah [s] and asked: "Advise me". Then the Messenger of Allah [s] said:
"Do not be angry". The man repeated the same question and (the Prophet) again said: "Do not be angry," and continued: "He is not strong and powerful who throws people down but he is strong who withholds himself from anger."
I am beginning to wonder what exactly is going on here. Is it just one sided news that we hear or what exactly is going on. There are always two sides to a story. It is always the hausa this and that...Yes, we know they are a problem but Nigeria has even worse issues and the hausa issue is only the Tip of the Iceberg.
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02-20-2006, 11:33 AM
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Not that I agree with all the violence by the Hausa's in Northern Nigeria. But please, come on, there is no smoke without fire you know. People cannot just simply be attacking others just like that.
Once a man approached the Messenger of Allah [s] and asked: "Advise me". Then the Messenger of Allah [s] said:
"Do not be angry". The man repeated the same question and (the Prophet) again said: "Do not be angry," and continued: "He is not strong and powerful who throws people down but he is strong who withholds himself from anger."
I am beginning to wonder what exactly is going on here. Is it just one sided news that we hear or what exactly is going on. There are always two sides to a story.
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Sammie are u saying that there might be a possibility that someone brought the comic to Nigeria which triggered the violence there ?
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02-20-2006, 11:44 AM
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Sammie are u saying that there might be a possibility that someone brought the comic to Nigeria which triggered the violence there ?
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No Ob, I do not know the details of the problem although we hear that it had to do with the comic issue. But how did it start in Nigeria? Did some Christians go and provoke the Hausa's or what? Even if they did provoke them, it should not led to such violence I agree. One can only wonder what really happened and why? People cannot be going around and killing just like that. There has to be a reason. I remember three years ago my girlfriend a yoruba lady told me how the yoruba's are killing the hausa's because they came to a part of the country where everyone knows not to go or something like that ...but, guess what, it was not a big issue in Nigeria. But as soon as the Hausa's retaliate, there is so much talk about it. It is just like the white Americans here in the US. The horrible things that they do are usually kept quiet but as soon as the black man does something, the entire world will hear about it.
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02-20-2006, 11:52 AM
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Anywhere but among those murderous hausas.There is more than enough room down south.
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02-20-2006, 11:59 AM
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No Ob, I do not know the details of the problem although we hear that it had to do with the comic issue. But how did it start in Nigeria? Did some Christians go and provoke the Hausa's or what? Even if they did provoke them, it should not led to such violence I agree. One can only wonder what really happened and why? People cannot be going around and killing just like that. There has to be a reason. I remember three years ago my girlfriend a yoruba lady told me how the yoruba's are killing the hausa's because they came to a part of the country where everyone knows not to go or something like that ...but, guess what, it was not a big issue in Nigeria. But as soon as the Hausa's retaliate, there is so much talk about it. It is just like the white Americans here in the US. The horrible things that they do are usually kept quiet but as soon as the black man does something, the entire world will hear about it.
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But one thing remains,I don't think the christians would trigger up something like that knowing what is obtainable,But the hausas would kill at nothing.
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02-20-2006, 12:07 PM
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But one thing remains,I don't think the christians would trigger up something like that knowing what is obtainable,But the hausas would kill at nothing.
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Hmmm, no wonder the world is a nice place to live...but whatever you say. smooches.
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02-20-2006, 12:08 PM
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Has anyone seen the comic ? Is there a link to it ? I still dont know what the caricature looks like or what was said ?
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02-20-2006, 12:44 PM
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02-20-2006, 01:19 PM
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Hmmm, no wonder the world is a nice place to live...but whatever you say. smooches.
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Sweetie maybe you are getting her wrong.. My understanding of her post is The CHRISTIANS dare not provoke (they are Minority) cause they always stand to LOOSE..... which has just been proven .....30churches burnt down
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02-20-2006, 01:24 PM
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Sweetie maybe you are getting her wrong.. My understanding of her post is The CHRISTIANS dare not provoke (they are Minority) cause they always stand to LOOSE..... which has just been proven .....30churches burnt down
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30 Churches in the north or all over the country? If the northerns are violent why build Churches in those areas? Afterall they are a majority and they are the problem right? All I am trying to understand is why people will just going on a killing rampage just like that. Something must be causing it. It is about time you guys stood up as one Nigeria and look into the problem. Pointing fingers ain't going to help.
ps. dearie the word "obtainable" is ambigious sha and would mean anything.
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02-20-2006, 01:30 PM
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02-20-2006, 03:46 PM
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MPAC Strongly Condemns Killings In Borno State
In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
MPAC STRONGLY CONDEMNS KILLINGS IN BORNO STATE
Monday, 20 February, 2006. The Muslim Public Affairs Centre, MPAC, strongly condemns any and all destruction of properties and killings during the riot in Borno state at the protest against the publication of the cartoons of Prophet Muhammad in some foreign newspapers. MPAC condemns this act of wanton violence as a complete violation of the teachings of Islam. The violence has been a clear aberration, reflecting the actions of deranged minorities, social miscreants and religious illiterates. The Qur'an, Islam's revealed text, states: 'Goodness and evil cannot be equal. Repel (evil) with something that is better. Then you will see that he with whom you had enmity will become your close friend. And no one will be granted such goodness except those who exercise patience and self-restraint.' (41:34-35)
More than 50 people were brutally murdered in Borno state when the law enforcement was called in to repress one of the largest and most peaceful protests in the history of the state. Muslims have the right to feel and express their offense in a peaceful manner at the unprovoked and brutal attacks on the magnificent characters of our Prophet and the attempted demonisation of his message. There can be little doubt therefore that the volatile situation that engulfed the state and its people was brought about as a result of the decision to disperse and inflame protesters by armed law enforcement agents. The decision to repress the protest and the resulting violent reaction of the hoodlums were deliberate attempts at hijacking legitimate Muslim anger at the vicious attacks of the newspapers that published the islamophobic cartoons of the Prophet of Islam, peace be upon him. It is a disgrace that the hoodlums were allowed such an ample time to cause so much pain.
Coverting every occasion of tension and crisis to opportunity to target defenseless civilians, destroy places of worship and attack minorities living amongst us, be they Muslims or non-Muslims, is a pervasive problem that urgently calls for collective actions from political and faith leaders who are serious about building bridges and solving these problems. The failure of the political leadership to address this problem is a testimony to their disconnection to the people they purportedly lead. The problem, in most cases, is created by the social exclusion of the youth, hate preachers on the fringe of both religions and long years of dealing in mutual mistrusts.
Also, leaving free young Muslims who wants to do something and who have not been taught the Islamically sanctioned ways of objecting to insults and provocation, is a dangerous recipe for the type of actions that occurred in the state where the riot took place. It was wrong that the Media in their reports did not make the clear distinction that the people responsible for the killing and destruction of properties were nothing but largely xenophobic and evil thugs less representative of Muslims than the small and evil fringe of Christians who are renowned for peddling evil and stoking the fire of hatred. It is wrong that we Muslims have not dealt with these thugs once and for all. Justice is for all, and injustice must not be allowed to go unchallenged.
It must be remembered that the Christian Association of Nigeria, CAN, was quick to condemn the islamophobic cartoons in its courageous and principled position expressed recently. It is actions such as this, that will reassured us of the possibility of a better future in which Muslims and Christians can work together in order to bring peace and justice to the country and by extension to the world, diffusing the current environment of hate, anxiety and suspicion. It is our sincere wish that the enlightened and brave words of CAN in this matter will constitute lampposts that provide guidance and inspiration for members of the two faith communities. It is in the light of this that MPAC calls upon the religious leaders in Nigeria to begin a campaign of religious education of their people. We call on Nigeria's Muslim leaders to embark on orientation programmes that emphasize the principles of equality, respect of life, justice and accountability as expressed in the Qur’an.
The general devaluation of human lives in Nigeria which caused the trigger-happy law enforcement to shoot tear gas into a crowd of peaceful protesters. Which makes the police sees itself duty-bound to repress every public protest with high-handedness, however meaningful and peaceful, the immoral and irresponsible executive orders issued to prevent people from exercising their constitutional right to peacefully object in a legitimate cause along with the culturally developed notion of growing xenophobia and mistrusts, create an environment where heinous acts are possible; freely preached and perpetrated. Both the Nigerian state and the faith communities must examine their roles in all these crimes that are needlessly causing the loss of human lives. According to Islamic law, or Shari'a, Muslims are obligated to respect and in fact protect human lives against oppression and termination, except under stringent conditions that are clearly expressed in the Qur'an and the traditions of the Prophet, peace be upon him. All people, Muslims and non-Muslims, are guaranteed basic rights in Islam including the right of safety and security of live and properties as long as they are not overtly or covertly engaged in any type of acts that threaten public good and safety, or oppressive against fellow human beings and the faith.
Furthermore, individual members of society are not allowed in Islam to take the law into their own hands and render punishments, regardless of whether a crime has been committed or not. Therefore, the cold-blooded murder of innocent people that have occurred in Borno state must be viewed only as a horrible homicide for which the perpetrators should be punished under the full extent of the law. Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims of violence, their families and everyone that are suffering as a result of the atrocities perpetrated.
Muslim Public Affairs Centre, MPAC, Nigeria.
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