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Old 09-17-2006, 03:20 AM
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Pope's sermon what do you think

The link below provides a story in which the Pope (Pope Benedict
the XVI) quoted a Bazantyne Emperor which has sparked anger in our Moslem
brothers:


http://english.pravada.ru/world/euro...ope_benedict-0

So far the Vatcan has said the Pope had no intentions, whatsoever, of
inciting inter-faith hate and bruising...the Vatican insists that the
Pope be quoted into context...they say, he has tried, on more than one
occasion to reach out to our Moslem brothers preaching interfaith
harmony and all this should be taken into context of yesterday's quote by the
Pope.

Further to this, the Vatican syas the Pope had no intentions,
whatsoever, to denigrate Prophet Mohmmed (May Peace be upon him).

Our Moslem brothers are demanding an apology from the Vatican other
than "clarifications" of the context. They say we are livng in very
tense times at the moment and people like the Pope should be cautious when
venting out their views on such matters as religious and interfaith
harmony.
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Old 09-17-2006, 03:22 AM
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I am just scared for the worse i am praying I hope nothing bad happens oo
As the story keeps on unfolding, it seems, apparently, the Pope was
trying to say "the Western World" should not understand the concepts of
Islam as did the Emperor he quoted. He was apparently saying that the
western world should take time to understand and tolerate a bit more the
different concepts of different religions including Islam...what seems
to have ignited the wrath of our Moslem brothers is the fact that the
Pope made the quote, worse still the quote included the name of the
Prophet Mohammed (may peace be upon him).

I really thought the Pope may not have
intended to deliberately and consciously ignite emotions of anger in our
Moslem brothers...Joseph Ratzinger[sp] (Pope Benedict the XVI) was the right
hand man of Pope John Paul the 2nd and Pope John Paul the second made,
probably the biggest effort, to enhance peace and harmony between
Christianity and Islam.

I only hope our Moslem brothers will not miss out on the contect of
the lecture by the Pope...I am sure the issue can be resolved amicably
without further bruises onto each of the religions in question.
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and our muslim brothers say the apology isnt enf.

By the way the thread was supposed to be in the religious forum. am sorry i am not undermining the authority here. but why was it moved from the religious forum? i want to know because i still believe the issue here is religious. Thanks
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and our muslim brothers say the apology isnt enf.

By the way the thread was supposed to be in the religious forum. am sorry i am not undermining the authority here. but why was it moved from the religious forum? i want to know because i still believe the issue here is religious. Thanks
No matter how much the Pope apologizes.....some muslims will continue to say it is not enough!
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Say The truth And Damn Their Wrath.

I have already commented on the issue of the controversial statement of the Pope in my rejoinder to RJ Eskow's critical article "Spiritual Niggers: Islam and the West" on the Nigerian Times. Here is the major part of my commentary.

I am a Christian from a very strong Roman Catholic background in Nigeria and I have lived and worked for Muslims and sat with Imams to discuss their Koran and our Holy Bible.

As Christians we must not have apologies or regrets whenever we preach against an evil or any religion that does not accept our Saviour Jesus Christ as the Messiah and Islam is antiChrist.

Pope Benedict XVI does not owe any Muslim or Muslims any apology and you cannot threaten and intimidate him to apologize or regret his statement against the evils of Islam.

I don't like ignorant commentaries and statements by people who don't live in Islamic communities. Because you cannot see Islam clearly from your rose-tinted Western glasses.

To know the truth about Islam, oblige to spend only two months in Iran or even Saudi Arabia. Then you will see the true colours of Islam.

Muslims in America and Europe are free to have their own mosques and Islamic centres and even free to preach their Islam in Times Square and other open grounds in America and Europe. But can Christians do the same in Iran and Saudi Arabia?

How many American and European Muslims do you see on the streets condemning the murder of innocent Christians in Nigeria, Turkey, Iran and other Islamic domains?

During the riots over the controversial Danish cartoons of prophet Muhammad, innocent Christians were attacked and murdered in broad daylight by Islamic terrorists in Northern Nigerian, including the murder of a Christian mother and her five children who were burnt to death in public; a priest was disemboweled and another Christian woman who was pregnant was disemboweled in public. And none of the so called peace-loving Islamic clerics in Nigeria or elsewhere came out to condemn these dastardly acts perpetrated by their fellow Muslims. Because, most of the decisions to attack and murder Christians were taken during meetings in their mosques with the consent of their Imams and Mullahs.

Now they have just murdered an innocent Nun in Somalia. And this Nun was helping these poor and miserable Muslims in a hospital and they have killed her. And have you heard, read or seen any public condemnation of this dastardly act by the Muslims in America and Europe? They are pretending to be ignorant of this evil and they continue to deceive and fool themselves that they are peace loving?
Even the antichrist comes pretending to be an angel of light.
And Islam is antichrist!

Can you Muslims enjoying the liberties of the freedom of speech and freedom of worship in America and Europe allow Christians to preach and practice their Christianity in public places in Iran and Saudi Arabia where copies of the Holy Bible are destroyed and nobody dares to challenge or protest? But once you hear, read or see any statement against your prophet Muhammad in the foreign media, you scream blue murder and go on your terrorist suicide-bombings of America, Europe and other places.

You refuse to tolerate the Christian religion in your own Islamic countries, but you want Americans and Europeans to tolerate your own Islamic religion with your Islamic impunity.

Are you not wicked hypocrites and liars?

If you cannot tolerate Christianity in Islamic countries, then why should we tolerate your Islam in America, Europe and Australia and other non-Islamic countries?

I cannot tolerate the religion of those who cannot tolerate my own religion.

Say the truth and damn the wrath of the devil.

I repeat again, call a spade a forking spade!
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You sound like a Christian fanatic yourself! Though, I am a Christian, I do not subscribe to the belief that you only have to believe in Christ to go to heaven! You also have Christian attack Muslim when they try to build mosques or preach Islam too in some Christian nations or areas. Moderation is the key to any religion, not absolutes!
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I have already commented on the issue of the controversial statement of the Pope in my rejoinder to RJ Eskow's critical article "Spiritual Niggers: Islam and the West" on the Nigerian Times. Here is the major part of my commentary.

I am a Christian from a very strong Roman Catholic background in Nigeria and I have lived and worked for Muslims and sat with Imams to discuss their Koran and our Holy Bible.

As Christians we must not have apologies or regrets whenever we preach against an evil or any religion that does not accept our Saviour Jesus Christ as the Messiah and Islam is antiChrist.

Pope Benedict XVI does not owe any Muslim or Muslims any apology and you cannot threaten and intimidate him to apologize or regret his statement against the evils of Islam.

I don't like ignorant commentaries and statements by people who don't live in Islamic communities. Because you cannot see Islam clearly from your rose-tinted Western glasses.

To know the truth about Islam, oblige to spend only two months in Iran or even Saudi Arabia. Then you will see the true colours of Islam.

Muslims in America and Europe are free to have their own mosques and Islamic centres and even free to preach their Islam in Times Square and other open grounds in America and Europe. But can Christians do the same in Iran and Saudi Arabia?

How many American and European Muslims do you see on the streets condemning the murder of innocent Christians in Nigeria, Turkey, Iran and other Islamic domains?

During the riots over the controversial Danish cartoons of prophet Muhammad, innocent Christians were attacked and murdered in broad daylight by Islamic terrorists in Northern Nigerian, including the murder of a Christian mother and her five children who were burnt to death in public; a priest was disemboweled and another Christian woman who was pregnant was disemboweled in public. And none of the so called peace-loving Islamic clerics in Nigeria or elsewhere came out to condemn these dastardly acts perpetrated by their fellow Muslims. Because, most of the decisions to attack and murder Christians were taken during meetings in their mosques with the consent of their Imams and Mullahs.

Now they have just murdered an innocent Nun in Somalia. And this Nun was helping these poor and miserable Muslims in a hospital and they have killed her. And have you heard, read or seen any public condemnation of this dastardly act by the Muslims in America and Europe? They are pretending to be ignorant of this evil and they continue to deceive and fool themselves that they are peace loving?
Even the antichrist comes pretending to be an angel of light.
And Islam is antichrist!


Can you Muslims enjoying the liberties of the freedom of speech and freedom of worship in America and Europe allow Christians to preach and practice their Christianity in public places in Iran and Saudi Arabia where copies of the Holy Bible are destroyed and nobody dares to challenge or protest? But once you hear, read or see any statement against your prophet Muhammad in the foreign media, you scream blue murder and go on your terrorist suicide-bombings of America, Europe and other places.

You refuse to tolerate the Christian religion in your own Islamic countries, but you want Americans and Europeans to tolerate your own Islamic religion with your Islamic impunity.

Are you not wicked hypocrites and liars?

If you cannot tolerate Christianity in Islamic countries, then why should we tolerate your Islam in America, Europe and Australia and other non-Islamic countries?

I cannot tolerate the religion of those who cannot tolerate my own religion.

Say the truth and damn the wrath of the devil.

I repeat again, call a spade a forking spade!
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Islam is antichrist.

The Word of God confirms it.
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i think comments like this is very uncalled for


QUOTE=Orikinla;430732]Islam is antichrist.

The Word of God confirms it.[/quote]
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The bottom line is that the man of God has apologised. How may time do they say things about christians have we ever gone out to kill or cause trouble because of that? some muslims just take religion to the extreme.

Please that is my own opinion and I have no intention of causing any harm. Cos i know my statement might upset some people.
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As usual...I hope numskulls don't go on a killing spree in Nigeria. A lot of my friends are muslims and they are not extremists. There are extremists everywhere, only difference is the 'mode' and the 'interpretation'.

Na real wah o...we continue to walk on eggshells...yup, we continue to walk on eggs shells...


We see nwoke dara ibi but we can't call him onye amu ibi...with uyorokoto obviously dangling everywhere, obscuring our view...

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As usual...I hope numskulls don't go on a killing spree in Nigeria. A lot of my friends are muslims and they are not extremists. There are extremists everywhere, only difference is the 'mode' and the 'interpretation'.

Na real wah o...we continue to walk on eggshells...yup, we continue to walk on eggs shells...


We see nwoke dara ibi but we can't call him onye amu ibi...with uyorokoto obviously dangling everywhere, obscuring our view...

I taya o.
Na politcal correctness na de real palava o!

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Na politcal correctness na de real palava o!

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Na small small o mai broda...na to upgrade this, upgrade that, elephant RAM abi na goat...dual core dis, dual core that...na wa for WAEC o.
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As usual...I hope numskulls don't go on a killing spree in Nigeria. A lot of my friends are muslims and they are not extremists. There are extremists everywhere, only difference is the 'mode' and the 'interpretation'.

I taya o.
Youre right Grafikdon i know some muslims are very peaceful and i have very peaceful muslim friends. But I dont like overzelous moslems who only think demonstrating and burning pope's statues and suicide bombing is the way to show their anger. What if Christians were to retaliate in all these things the world would be a bad place to live in.

in other words am saying the Pope has apologised, whenever someone apologises he is asking for forgiveness, now whats the wahala about the apology not being enf?
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