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thressa · #**196** (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Eee

Bullsugar!IF she would have made it otherwise without Bill, she would have made it only with GOD and not,according to you "[Ibecause she was persistent, consistent, as well as very determined to get there by working her butt off".[/i] .
Regardless that Bill Clinton messed up with the Lewinsky saga, he is still one of the presidents people love, both in his country and beyond.
When u're likable, people are almost always willing to turn a blind eye on ur fault or at the most have a forgiving heart towards said person. And it is also this likability issue that has voters hesistant on Hillary- she showed warmth and emotion when she appeared vulnerable.Perhaps in voting for her, people may feel Bill would be just s step away from the office.
But still ,may the better suited person win

Is helping Obama and hope it continues. Hllary is just realizing that and i'm sorry to say it will not go too far before everyone knows she's just trying to implement that strategy to help her win.

KikisMuffin · #**197** (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Papino

Samira,the answer to the "why"you asked above is bcos of her present shot and a chance of being the President of the US.That chance would have been blown if she left him then.PERIOD
I mean,are we not talking of America where people find enough reasons for divorce with minor issues like a fight over TV programmes or one feeling disrespected when a spouse danced "wholesale" after preparing palatable"Ngwo-Ngwo" for another man?

PERIOD!!! My point exactly!!!! Primary Colors was spot on!!

Samira it had nothing to do with "standing by her man", but everything to do wih her own future ambitions!

samira · #**198** (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Eee

Bullsugar!IF she would have made it otherwise without Bill, she would have made it only with GOD and not,according to you "because she was persistent, consistent, as well as very determined to get there by working her butt off". .
Regardless that Bill Clinton messed up with the Lewinsky saga, he is still one of the presidents people love, both in his country and beyond.
When u're likable, people are almost always willing to turn a blind eye on ur fault or at the most have a forgiving heart towards said person. And it is also this likability issue that has voters hesistant on Hillary- she showed warmth and emotion when she appeared vulnerable.Perhaps in voting for her, people may feel Bill would be just s step away from the office.
But still ,may the better suited person win

Oh Lord, another of everything in the the hands of God and the prayer mentality....nonsense. I guess what you will say next is that God gave us our brains to help decorate our faces and just purely for the sake of it and not to use it to our advantage! Oh sure, God didn't give us all the free will in making our own choices. FYI, if it was for the mere reason that Bill was likable and so it has somehow being transferred to Hillary as you put it, believe me, Hillary will have even been way up the skies by now if that was truly the case! She is still struggling and it is for the mere reason that she is doing it all by herself and it has nothing to do with Bill at this point. You can try at the begining of her career as the Senator but certainly not NOW my friend! If anyone has anyone helping them it is Obama and we all saw it in Iowa when Oprah was around as compared to when he was alone in NH!

samira · #**199** (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by KikisMuffin

PERIOD!!! My point exactly!!!! Primary Colors was spot on!!

Samira it had nothing to do with "standing by her man", but everything to do wih her own future ambitions!

hmmmm kiki maybe u are right...and if that is the case, i salute her the more...she had her own agenda for her own future ambitions...that is the spirit sis....how many of us could have made it thru that horrible time of her life? I know I surely will have taken the easy way out by divorcing the jerk to maintain my sanity but noooooooooo for Hillary! She had her goals set out and was persistent in her aim to move on up!....

Eee · #**200** (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by samira

Oh Lord, another of everything in the the hands of God and the prayer mentality....nonsense. I guess what you will say next is that God gave us our brains to help decorate our faces and just purely for the sake of it and not to use it to our advantage! Oh sure, God didn't give us all the free will in making our own choices. FYI, if it was for the mere reason that Bill was likable and so it has somehow being transferred to Hillary as you put it, believe me, Hillary will have even been way up the skies by now if that was truly the case! She is still struggling and it is for the mere reason that she is doing it all by herself and it has nothing to do with Bill at this point. You can try at the begining of her career as the Senator but certainly not NOW my friend! If anyone has anyone helping them it is Obama and we all saw it in Iowa when Oprah was around as compared to when he was alone in NH!

Samira,did you truly read my post?No where did I say Bill's likability had been "transfered" to Hillary...how possible is that?You're only likable as a person in ur own right and not because one's significant other is( at such times, one is only tolerated cos of the feeling of likeness generated by the other, in this case, Bill for Hillary).

On the other hand, free will or not, I do firmly and strongly believe in a GOD who rewards one's efforts and I'm surprised u'd make light of it. It would be dumb to say, that one has gifts and refuses to use them rather prefering to wait on charity.Be that as it may, I never like to argue about religion- it's a never-ending story! I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe but I'm hoping, that we're not so set in our ways, that in the light of new ideas, we'd refuse to adapt.

samira · #**201** (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Eee

Samira,did you truly read my post?No where did I say Bill's likability had been "transfered" to Hillary...how possible is that?You're only likable as a person in ur own right and not because one's significant other is( at such times, one is only tolerated cos of the feeling of likeness generated by the other, in this case, Bill for Hillary).

On the other hand, free will or not, I do firmly and strongly believe in a GOD who rewards one's efforts and I'm surprised u'd make light of it. It would be dumb to say, that one has gifts and refuses to use them rather prefering to wait on charity.Be that as it may, I never like to argue about religion- it's a never-ending story! I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe but I'm hoping, that we're not so set in our ways, that in the light of new ideas, we'd refuse to adapt.

Eee, I understood you perfectly well. You clearly stated that because of the ‘likability’ for Bill, people will start voting for Hillary and to me that means that their ‘likability’ for Bill has been robbed off onto Hillary even if ONLY for that reason. You firmly and strongly believe in a GOD abi, but yet to you, God only helped Hillary to get to where she is right? What about you, me, Obama, and others in this world? Who do you think is also technically helping us to get to where we are and want to be, if not for God? So do not come here and use God when it suits you as it does not make you relevant in your point and that was why I made that statement about the using God issue.

samira · #**202** (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 09:12 AM

Hmmm, see when it comes to our future ambitions and that of others in some cases while we're on the subject of political candidates, take a look at Oprah pandering to two different crowds:

In the first video, she is talking to a black crowd in South Carolina:

YouTube - Oprah Winfrey 4 Barack Obama SC (Hillary Clinton) - Full 2

In the second video, she is talking to a mostly white crowd in New Hampshire:

YouTube - Oprah Winfrey joins Barack Obama in Manchester Sunday

Notice the difference in her speech cadence?

In Iowa and New Hampshire, Oprah claimed "Over the years I've voted or as many Republicans as I have Democrats." She omitted that line in her South Carolina speech to a black crowd.

People honestly can't see through this corporate PR stunt?

What is my point right? Don’t all competent politicians tailor their message to their constituency? This only goes to show how dishonest and shifty they all are in politics. Hillary may have used her chance with Bill but at the end of the day, they all basically do the same in that field is my point.

sidney · #**203** (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by samira

Eee, I understood you perfectly well. You clearly stated that because of the ‘likability’ for Bill, people will start voting for Hillary and to me that means that their ‘likability’ for Bill has been robbed off onto Hillary even if ONLY for that reason. You firmly and strongly believe in a GOD abi, but yet to you, God only helped Hillary to get to where she is right? What about you, me, Obama, and others in this world? Who do you think is also technically helping us to get to where we are and want to be, if not for God? So do not come here and use God when it suits you as it does not make you relevant in your point and that was why I made that statement about the using God issue.

Samira, you are right on!

I am always weary of using God in this way. It almost means those that are not successful in this world, are not receiving God's grace. Like all rich, famous or powerful people got there only because of God. Really? What about a millionaire who is a devil worshipers? Or evil leaders like Hitler or Stalin? Eee is right about arguing about religion. It is a never ending story.

But my favorite story was when the junior Eagles were in the final of some cup. And they were playing against Argentina. When they asked the Nigerian team how do they expect to play in the final, they said stuff like "God will give us the power", "We will win in Jesus name!" and more stuff like that. When they asked the Argentinian team they said "Well the Nigerian are fast we need to keep them in front of us", "We can't make mistakes or we will lose", etc.... See the difference?

They beat us silly...

My point, like yours, did they win because God wanted them to win and he us to lose? Or did he endow both teams and players with abilities and the gift to use them and they just used them better that day?

There might be 1 million women exactly like Hilary Clinton out there. With all the qualities and intelligence, but she, though hardwork, dilligence and yes ambition, she reached the heights she has reached. And why is her ambition such a bad thing? If a man had her credential we would be singing his praises from the heavens. She is an amazingly accomplished brilliant woman.. And I would be proud to have her as president.....

<but I think I'm still voting for Obama...>

samira · #**204** (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sidney

Samira, you are right on!

I am always weary of using God in this way. It almost means those that are not successful in this world, are not receiving God's grace. Like all rich, famous or powerful people got there only because of God. Really? What about a millionaire who is a devil worshipers? Or evil leaders like Hitler or Stalin? Eee is right about arguing about religion. It is a never ending story.

But my favorite story was when the junior Eagles were in the final of some cup. And they were playing against Argentina. When they asked the Nigerian team how do they expect to play in the final, they said stuff like "God will give us the power", "We will win in Jesus name!" and more stuff like that. When they asked the Argentinian team they said "Well the Nigerian are fast we need to keep them in front of us", "We can't make mistakes or we will lose", etc.... See the difference?

They beat us silly...

My point, like yours, did they win because God wanted them to win and he us to lose? Or did he endow both teams and players with abilities and the gift to use them and they just used them better that day?

There might be 1 million women exactly like Hilary Clinton out there. With all the qualities and intelligence, but she, though hardwork, dilligence and yes ambition, she reached the heights she has reached. And why is her ambition such a bad thing? If a man had her credential we would be singing his praises from the heavens. She is an amazingly accomplished brilliant woman.. And I would be proud to have her as president.....

<but I think I'm still voting for Obama...>

So I am not the only one who has noticed how it is really the African who loves to use God this and that...Instead of coming up with a good strategy to conquer Argentina, they expected God to come down from the skies and pat them on their shoulders and assure them that all will be well...typical! People may not like Hillary for whatever reason. But at the end of the day, I think what matters the most if some will be honest with themselves are her ideas, her ideals, her vision, her expertise, her competence and last but not least, the content of her character.

u know Hillary go win now.....but damn all the white folks I have met hate Hillary's guts...they all have one reason or the other for not liking her....it is going to be a challenging year....as much as they hate what Bush did, I will not be surprised if they vote for the republicans simply for the fact that they will rather not vote for Hillary.

Abike · #**205** (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 12:06 PM

No you DIDNT Papino, NO you didnt!!!

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Originally Posted by Papino

Samira,the answer to the "why"you asked above is bcos of her present shot and a chance of being the President of the US.That chance would have been blown if she left him then.PERIOD
I mean,are we not talking of America where people find enough reasons for divorce with minor issues like a fight over TV programmes or one feeling disrespected when a spouse danced "wholesale" after preparing palatable"Ngwo-Ngwo" for another man?

Eee · #**206** (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by samira

Eee, I understood you perfectly well. You clearly stated that because of the ‘likability’ for Bill, people will start voting for Hillary and to me that means that their ‘likability’ for Bill has been robbed off onto Hillary even if ONLY for that reason. You firmly and strongly believe in a GOD abi, but yet to you, God only helped Hillary to get to where she is right? What about you, me, Obama, and others in this world? Who do you think is also technically helping us to get to where we are and want to be, if not for God? So do not come here and use God when it suits you as it does not make you relevant in your point and that was why I made that statement about the using God issue.

Now there you go again, twisting my words to suit your purpose?People define success by different things...in many ways.
You don't have to be waay up high there to be deemed successful, just being a good mother to your kid is a success in my opinion.And if you don't consider that as GOD helping you to be successful where you are, then I don't know what else is.
Samira, I'm on neither side of the fence but I hate unfair dealings, and ur dealings simply reek of it. I say let the better party win, and fairly too and not cause of some excuses you choose to dig up.That's not right

Eee · #**207** (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by samira

My point is regardless,of her staying with Bill or left him, she will have STILL made it where she is today because she was persistent, consistent, as well as very determine to get there by working her butt off

May I also point out what you omitted in ur argumentative state.Me bringing up God was to say that I refuse to believe she would have made it on her own, but rather her hardwork was rewarded...no?
No where did I mention Obama and using GOd as an excuse to helping him out.Let's keep this straight ok.It simply aggravates and gets me flustered when my words get twisted out of context..you would too

sidney · #**208** (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Eee

Now there you go again, twisting my words to suit your purpose?People define success by different things...in many ways.
You don't have to be waay up high there to be deemed successful, just being a good mother to your kid is a success in my opinion.And if you don't consider that as GOD helping you to be successful where you are, then I don't know what else is.
Samira, I'm on neither side of the fence but I hate unfair dealings, and ur dealings simply reek of it. I say let the better party win, and fairly too and not cause of some excuses you choose to dig up.That's not right

Eee, you make some great points here!! You are totally right. Success should be determined by the individual.

It just your original post about Hilary made it seem that her hard work played no part in what she, Hilary, considered success. Is this what you meant?

While Samira's point was that there is some point, where you, the human being, must excerise free will to use the tools that God gave you, to achieve your success. Whatever you might deem that to be.

So I don't think you guys are saying things too different. You both acknowledge a divine power in all we do. I think you might differ in how much free will we humans have to determine their fates..

If I understood your original post correctly...