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Old 03-06-2008, 11:24 AM
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I don't understand all this Obioma...I mean Obama hype. If he wins the D nom, McCain is automatically the next President. Make una choose Clinton to have a chance.

Like I fit vote sef...



Really? Even though some a lot of independent voters are more sympathetic with Obama?
Oga, you better get on the Obama bandwagon before you're left behind.
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Old 03-06-2008, 11:46 AM
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Old 03-06-2008, 11:48 AM
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Your one of those who the Republican machinery mind games have caught hook line and sinker.
They would like us to believe they are scared of an Obama win...when in actuality they are scared of a Clinton win ....Clinton won the big states that are faithful Democratic states...Obama won states that vote Republican and will never vote Democrat at the primary elections ...so it really doesnt matter.
The Democratic party would have to nominate someone that would deliver the big states that Clinton won.

If a 70 yr old McClain could maintain momentum ...let me tell u we have a big fight ahead ...

Be prepared to experience those feelings that were felt after John Kerry's defeat.

I just love the way the media is pampering Obama ...if he wins this nomination they will pull out all their S and M tactics and wring him so tight his grandmother in Kenya will weep for him !! Rezko trial has begun and it dont look pretty !!
It will no longer be silly season in politics it will be vicious season ...Hillary will be able to faceoff with McCain.

So far the media has been successful in manipulating the outcome of this election. After Hillary's SNL appearance I think folks are finally getting it !
I see you don't know any real Republican conservatives.... And don't understand the wider issues at stake....

True Republican conservatives, hate, let me repeat, HATE the Clintons. Remember the right wing conspiracy? Do you think it disappeared? Do you think all of a sudden they like the Clintons?? This is not that they think they can't beat Obama. Oh they do think they can beat him. The issue is McCain has problems with the Republican base, the "Reagan" republicans, who don't believe his is conservative enough. Why do you think Rush, Hannity and Coulter did not want McCain to win the nomination?! They even accused the NYTimes of holding back the McCain story so he COULD win the nomination. They wanted the McCain story to come out earlier in the primaries so it would help thier candidates, Rommey or Huckabee, have a better chance of winning...

But the real belief, and fact, is the base of the Republican party would rather vote for McCain, a pseudo conservative, than ever see another Clinton the White House. This is easy to run against! McCain won't have to tout his conservative values or have a plan or anything, he would simply essentially have to to say, "if you don't vote for me, she will be the next President". A right wing nightmare! Against Hilary, he would be going after the independant vote, because the base vote will be there.

With Obama it will be a bit different. They will still have to worry about the base vote. Then the running mate becomes extremely important amongst other things. There will be many fronts to work on because Obama and McCain are almost polar opposites.. So campaign strategy has to be more involved. They don't have that clean a route. But they do have one! Experience, political savy, proven leader, who will lead in these troubling times. Not some wet behind the ear, no record, orator with great words and no real plans.

Does that sound familiar? Yeah, that's the Hilary campaign now and she is in a fight in her OWN party!!!!

So logically the republicans know it won't be a cake walk if it is Obama. Trust me, I have many, many republican, right wing friends, they are not afraid. They are pretty confident that they will win against Obama, but they really would love Clinton.. Even if it is just to smear her and Bill one last time....

And they love this long primary. Let the democrats beat themselves up and wash their dirty linen in public. They just use the carnage to thier advantage.
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I don see am already. Waiting for it.
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Your one of those who the Republican machinery mind games have caught hook line and sinker.
They would like us to believe they are scared of an Obama win ...when in actuality they are scared of a Clinton win ....Clinton won the big states that are faithful Democratic states...Obama won states that vote Republican and will never vote Democrat at the primary elections ...so it really doesnt matter.

The Democratic party would have to nominate someone that would deliver the big states that Clinton won.

If a 70 yr old McClain could maintain momentum ...let me tell u we have a big fight ahead ...

Be prepared to experience those feelings that were felt after John Kerry's defeat.

I just love the way the media is pampering Obama ...if he wins this nomination they will pull out all their S and M tactics and wring him so tight his grandmother in Kenya will weep for him !! Rezko trial has begun and it dont look pretty !!
It will no longer be silly season in politics it will be vicious season ...Hillary will be able to faceoff with McCain.

So far the media has been successful in manipulating the outcome of this election. After Hillary's SNL appearance I think folks are finally getting it !
You meant "general" election since in many states you can't vote in another party's primary...

It doesn't matter? So I guess it doesn't matter that Clinton won NY or CA? This is just a silly notion that we are seeing the largest voter turnout in the history of the democratic primaries, voting for a black man, as not important, no matter what state we are talking about.

And if I remember correctly Kerry won those same states during his run, including Ohio. And it didn't secure him the presidency, did it?

wow.... wow..... wow..... .

I know you love Hilary. I personally think she is wonderful and would make a great President. But your political anaylsis is not particularily valid, but very admirable in its efforts...
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I just don't understand why Obama doesn't use these few remaining days to push the issues hard. I mean push, push, push them. So it's in everyone's face.

He has built on the momentum of change and his oratory skills are proven. Now let him speak intently on the issues.

If he would aggressively push those people will at least have more confidence that even though he might not have a wealth of experience, he is and can surround himself with people that do and so it would be if he were president.

I could be wrong. I do know a little bit about what he offers cuz I have read on it but the bits I hear on TV during his speeches seem to focus on thie whole change thing.

People want change but I tell you most Americans might not be willing to risk their security, wallet etc on too new a change. America is in a dire place now. People are scared of the economy and of security and international relations

We'll see.
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You meant "general" election since in many states you can't vote in another party's primary...

It doesn't matter? So I guess it doesn't matter that Clinton won NY or CA? This is just a silly notion that we are seeing the largest voter turnout in the history of the democratic primaries, voting for a black man, as not important, no matter what state we are talking about.

It is history but what is more important ? ...a black man winning the nomination
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Defeating McCain/the Republican party at THIS election ?

McCain has been in the lead beating out Romney and the other fellow. This is inspite of the fact that he is "not conservative enough"
The Republicans ignored the fact that he is too old ...and are fixated on his POW status and "Heroism"

Your analysis lacks any proof apart from Obama's blackness to show he is the candidate that will win at the GENERAL (corrected) elections !!!





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And if I remember correctly Kerry won those same states during his run, including Ohio. And it didn't secure him the presidency, did it?

wow.... wow..... wow..... .

I know you love Hilary. I personally think she is wonderful and would make a great President. But your political anaylsis is not particularily valid, but very admirable in its efforts...
True but there is yet to be a democratic president that did not win Ohio!
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in the next few weeks HILLARY WILL NEED TO PROVE TO THE NATION her so called experiences. I suggest O goes hard on her big time. Break it down for us what those experiences are cos inquiring minds will like to know - she keeps saying it but i dont know what exact experiences she got which would be any more than O's. If longevity in whitehouse (1st lady)/dc equals "experience" then Mccain has quadruple experience than her.

if i was to choose a candidate only based on "experience" i will choose mccain. scratch that - matter of fact none of these mofos are ready for no damn 3am phone call. Best negotiator with adversaries when trouble comes - i'd say O for sure.

hillary brace yo self with your crying hankies, cos the o team are going to come hard on ya

i am just simply tired of the bush / clinton cycle for almost 20yrs. Someone new would be better. if i could vote, i'd vote for o for sure.
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It is history but what is more important ? ...a black man winning the nomination
or
Defeating McCain/the Republican party at THIS election ?

McCain has been in the lead beating out Romney and the other fellow. This is inspite of the fact that he is "not conservative enough"
The Republicans ignored the fact that he is too old ...and are fixated on his POW status and "Heroism"

Your analysis lacks any proof apart from Obama's blackness to show he is the candidate that will win at the GENERAL (corrected) elections !!!

True but there is yet to be a democratic president that did not win Ohio!
I never ever once, in ANY post on ANY thread, said or indicated that Obama would win the general election! NEVER, not once! You are good at escavating thread, check.

I was merely addressing your claim, that I beleive the republican are afraid of Obama. And that you believe they are afraid of Clinton. Both assumptions are incorrect in my opinion.
And his "blackness" is the least of the attributes that won him 13 striaght primaries. It is in fact his oratory skills, more than his record, that did it. And that has nothing to do with race.



And this statement is not entirely true. Both JFK and FDR lost Ohio and still won. So I guess history is important to you here huh?



As an aside, Obama is very close to JFK in all aspects including lack of experience. JFK was a poor first term senator, who only got in the senate to make a run at president. Who pushed the "hopes" of a new America. He also had history against him as the first Catholic running for President. And he went against, an older, WAY more experienced ex-Senator and sitting Vice-President, Richard Nixon. Almost identical situations to Obama now... Just an aside with some historic perspective.
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