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Obariba · #**346** (**permalink**) 03-06-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sidney

I see you don't know any real Republican conservatives.... And don't understand the wider issues at stake....

True Republican conservatives, hate, let me repeat, HATE the Clintons. Remember the right wing conspiracy? Do you think it disappeared? Do you think all of a sudden they like the Clintons?? This is not that they think they can't beat Obama. Oh they do think they can beat him. The issue is McCain has problems with the Republican base, the "Reagan" republicans, who don't believe his is conservative enough. Why do you think Rush, Hannity and Coulter did not want McCain to win the nomination?! They even accused the NYTimes of holding back the McCain story so he COULD win the nomination. They wanted the McCain story to come out earlier in the primaries so it would help thier candidates, Rommey or Huckabee, have a better chance of winning...

But the real belief, and fact, is the base of the Republican party would rather vote for McCain, a pseudo conservative, than ever see another Clinton the White House.

But they would rather see a black man in the white house ? What did the Clintons do that is so Hateful I repeat "Hateful" ?
Ok he cheated on her she didnt divorce him but they supported black folks

McCain is dining with Bush and has even been endorsed by him .....somehow what Im getting from you is the Republicans love McCain/Bush right now and hate the Clinton's even more ...what has that got to do with our choice of a democratic candidate to win at the general elections ??

So we will now rely on our opponents to select for us which soldier we would send to war against them ?

How strategic !!!

We are about to repeat the same mistake again ...by failing to send the right person to the polls. I knew Kerry couldnt pull it off.

Obama talks a good talk and he does seem like the "face" for change ...yeah he looks different etc ...but this is no Lux advert ...we are trying to win back the presidential seat

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This is easy to run against! McCain won't have to tout his conservative values or have a plan or anything, he would simply essentially have to to say, "if you don't vote for me, she will be the next President". A right wing nightmare! Against Hilary, he would be going after the independant vote, because the base vote will be there.

Oh yeah ...so all of a sudden where did all the anti-Bush sentiment go ?
The independents are gonna forget about Iraq and give the Republicans another go huh ?? Just because Bush and his party - Dont like Hillary ?

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With Obama it will be a bit different. They will still have to worry about the base vote. Then the running mate becomes extremely important amongst other things. There will be many fronts to work on because Obama and McCain are almost polar opposites.. So campaign strategy has to be more involved. They don't have that clean a route. But they do have one! Experience, political savy, proven leader, who will lead in these troubling times. Not some wet behind the ear, no record, orator with great words and no real plans.Does that sound familiar? Yeah, that's the Hilary campaign now and she is in a fight in her OWN party!!!!

Thanks for acknowledging the highlighted ...cos when push comes to shove those are going to be the issues and Hillary will be able to handle them head on not Obama.

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So logically the republicans know it won't be a cake walk if it is Obama. Trust me, I have many, many republican, right wing friends, they are not afraid. They are pretty confident that they will win against Obama, but they really would love Clinton.. Even if it is just to smear her and Bill one last time....

The Republicans are suppose to dislike the party they are running against.

Where is the validity of your argument ?
Oh the Republicans dislike Hillary more than Obama ?
Is that going to be the parameter with which we would choose our democratic nominee ?

Smear ?? About what ? Lewinsky ? or Bush/Iraq ?
For every smear tactics the republican party has ...their fellow Oyibo Clinton also has some for them.

I can just see a black Obama calling out a war vet and pow out on his stuff and the animosity that would follow because he is black and he "dared to" insult a white hero pow McCain.

Think ahead !

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And they love this long primary. Let the democrats beat themselves up and wash their dirty linen in public. They just use the carnage to thier advantage.

Its a long primary and we want to win the GENERAL election this time. But folks are so desprate to have a BLACK man Now now now that we are not looking at the battle ahead.

The voters are easily swayed ...if Obama had a solid manifesto or game plan apart from his sweet talk there is no reason why he shouldnt have won these last three states.
We are allowing the media to influence our choice of candidates, I have to really hand it to Bush he is truly the man at the top and they are pulling the Democratic party strings and like puppets we are dancing along !!

sidney · #**347** (**permalink**) 03-06-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Obariba

But they would rather see a black man in the white house ? What did the Clintons do that is so Hateful I repeat "Hateful" ?
Ok he cheated on her she didnt divorce him but they supported black folks

McCain is dining with Bush and has even been endorsed by him .....somehow what Im getting from you is the Republicans love McCain/Bush right now and hate the Clinton's even more ...what has that got to do with our choice of a democratic candidate to win at the general elections ??

So we will now rely on our opponents to select for us which soldier we would send to war against them ?

How strategic !!!

We are about to repeat the same mistake again ...by failing to send the right person to the polls. I knew Kerry couldnt pull it off.

Obama talks a good talk and he does seem like the "face" for change ...yeah he looks different etc ...but this is no Lux advert ...we are trying to win back the presidential seat

Oh yeah ...so all of a sudden where did all the anti-Bush sentiment go ?
The independents are gonna forget about Iraq and give the Republicans another go huh ?? Just because Bush and his party - Dont like Hillary ?

Thanks for acknowledging the highlighted ...cos when push comes to shove those are going to be the issues and Hillary will be able to handle them head on not Obama.

The Republicans are suppose to dislike the party they are running against.

Where is the validity of your argument ?
Oh the Republicans dislike Hillary more than Obama ?
Is that going to be the parameter with which we would choose our democratic nominee ?

Smear ?? About what ? Lewinsky ? or Bush/Iraq ?
For every smear tactics the republican party has ...their fellow Oyibo Clinton also has some for them.

I can just see a black Obama calling out a war vet and pow out on his stuff and the animosity that would follow because he is black and he "dared to" insult a white hero pow McCain.

Think ahead !

Its a long primary and we want to win the GENERAL election this time. But folks are so desprate to have a BLACK man Now now now that we are not looking at the battle ahead.

The voters are easily swayed ...if Obama had a solid manifesto or game plan apart from his sweet talk there is no reason why he shouldnt have won these last three states.
We are allowing the media to influence our choice of candidates, I have to really hand it to Bush he is truly the man at the top and they are pulling the Democratic party strings and like puppets we are dancing along !!

Oh my.... What a piontless post.

You were all over the place defending arguments I didn't make! You actually quoted me and then made points that had nothing to do with my quote. Wow... You should run for office....

You actually never, EVER, EVER have a coherent argument without going off in some deranged tangent that has nothing to do with the issue being discussed... It's like we are speaking in different languages.....

Good grief..... I fucking give up.... I'm feel like I'm getting dumber entertaining this discussion with you..

Obariba · #**348** (**permalink**) 03-06-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sidney

I never ever once, in ANY post on ANY thread, said or indicated that Obama would win the general election! NEVER, not once! You are good at escavating thread, check.

Why not ?
Isnt that the main goal ...to win the presidency ??
I too have jumped on the Obama traveling fair in town ...with all the excitment cotton candy and all . But when the dust settles the question still remains- "Can Obama beat McCain ?"

Posts here seem to insinuate "well ..the republicans hate Hillary!"
So what I am getting in all this.... is we stand a chance against the republican party because they love Obama more than Hillary!

I cant understand the rationale behind that train of thought.

The Clintons are now enemy of the state ...no more our "Black president" ...the Clintons have become insignificant..persona nongrata ...just like that.

Kerry really represented the Democrats when I think about it ....the whole party Flips and Flops ...at the entertainment of the Republicans.

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I was merely addressing your claim, that I beleive the republican are afraid of Obama. And that you believe they are afraid of Clinton. Both assumptions are incorrect in my opinion.
And his "blackness" is the least of the attributes that won him 13 striaght primaries. It is in fact his oratory skills, more than his record, that did it. And that has nothing to do with race.

13 primaries in states that will vote Republican at the GENERAL election ...its almost cultural thats for sure.

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And this statement is not entirely true. Both JFK and FDR lost Ohio and still won. So I guess history is important to you here huh?

Ok there are one or two but still majority carries the vote.

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As an aside, Obama is very close to JFK in all aspects including lack of experience. JFK was a poor first term senator, who only got in the senate to make a run at president. Who pushed the "hopes" of a new America. He also had history against him as the first Catholic running for President. And he went against, an older, WAY more experienced ex-Senator and sitting Vice-President, Richard Nixon. Almost identical situations to Obama now... Just an aside with some historic perspective.

A JFK similarity/Caroline K endorsement did not seal the deal and I doubt that would either secure an Obama presidential win in the politics of our present times.

Im still waiting for a factual Obama campaign and not the vision of a golden fleece that would bring back that good old hippie feeling !

Obariba · #**349** (**permalink**) 03-06-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sidney

Oh my.... What a piontless post.

You were all over the place defending arguments I didn't make! You actually quoted me and then made points that had nothing to do with my quote. Wow... You should run for office....

You actually never, EVER, EVER have a coherent argument without going off in some deranged tangent that has nothing to do with the issue being discussed... It's like we are speaking in different languages.....

Good grief..... I fucking give up.... I'm feel like I'm getting dumber entertaining this discussion with you..

When you start to become insultive as a comeback then I know my point has hit home.
Cheers comrade !!

sidney · #**350** (**permalink**) 03-06-2008, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Obariba

Why not ?
Isnt that the main goal ...to win the presidency ??
I too have jumped on the Obama traveling fair in town ...with all the excitment cotton candy and all . But when the dust settles the question still remains- "Can Obama beat McCain ?"

Posts here seem to insinuate "well ..the republicans hate Hillary!"
So what I am getting in all this.... is we stand a chance against the republican party because they love Obama more than Hillary!

I cant understand the rationale behind that train of thought.

The Clintons are now enemy of the state ...no more our "Black president" ...the Clintons have become insignificant..persona nongrata ...just like that.

Kerry really represented the Democrats when I think about it ....the whole party Flips and Flops ...at the entertainment of the Republicans.

13 primaries in states that will vote Republican at the GENERAL election ...its almost cultural thats for sure.

Ok there are one or two but still majority carries the vote.

A JFK similarity/Caroline K endorsement did not seal the deal and I doubt that would either secure an Obama presidential win in the politics of our present times.

Im still waiting for a factual Obama campaign and not the vision of a golden fleece that would bring back that good old hippie feeling !

Here the deal Obariba.

It is not about Republican or Democrat for me. It is about who I feel will be the best president out of the candidates offered.
I have stated on this site (please escavate as you do well and you'll see) that Hilary is one of the most amazing persons period. Brilliant, resourceful and a trailblazer in many facets of her life. In fact, I believe each candidate remaining will make a good president. Including John McCain who I have respected for many years.
You keep mentioned "Black", again please escavate and you'll see I have posted that people should vote politics and not race or gender.
Just because the Republicans think they can beat Hilary and Obame, does not mean they can. I mentioned their hatered of her to indicate that "THEY" think they can beat her! I don't think so. I don't think they can beat Obama. But I was directly disputing your claim that the Republican are scared of Clinton. And also disputed your assumption that I feel the Republican are afraid of Obama. They are not afraid of either. I was justr stating the prevailing conservative thinking I have witnessed.
And finally, these are simple talking points. People should vote who they like regardless of whether or not they "think" that person could win. The process fails that way, because no-one knows nor can predict the future. Vote your conscience and hope there are many that agree with you.

The points I have listed lead to some annoyance, when you refer to my post with things like "Black President" or references to stance I never took. Especially given the amount of post I have done on this issue. Maybe you mistook my posting of my brother's email as an endorsement of his views. I would have said that I agreed if I did indeed. I didn't actually agree with his whole letter, but thought it would be a good talking point for this thread...

My apologizes for the preceived slight in the previous post.

I just get frustrated when you equate points or views to me that I specifically did not expound! It is not just I didn't say or allude to what you write, but I specifically said something different! (maybe I should look for those posts....)

Look, this is part of the process. Agreement, disagreement and discussion. I said as much, in this VERY thread I believe...

It is well....

sidney · #**351** (**permalink**) 03-06-2008, 03:08 PM

"I also think President Hilary Clinton would be a wonderful thing."

My Answer to "What Can Obama Do For Us"

"It's like my big brother vs. my favorite aunty"

Hilary's NH cry

"Either one of these two wonderfully intelligent, passionate people would make an amazing president!"

And all these were in this thread alone!!!

I doing this to point out, that although I believe in Obama, I love and respect Hilary immensely! I am not from the school of thought that you have to tear down one person to make another one look good.

I don't feel I have to tear down Hilary to show why I like Obama. This is a terrible tactic. That's why I was upset at Hilary's recent negative campagins ads. They were not necessary. Although they were effective.

Papino · #**352** (**permalink**) 03-07-2008, 04:40 AM

i am beginning to have a feeling that democrats are about to blow a golden chance of taking control of congress and winning the presidential election. Obama seem ready to go the way of Hillary while Mcain watches with delight and would only use captions of the democrats smear campaigns against eachother now,against them when the democratic nomination is sorted out.Add it up to a terrorist attack on US soil before November and republicans would win again

proudlyifreke · #**353** (**permalink**) 03-07-2008, 04:47 AM

Hilary will win surely..

Sola · #**354** (**permalink**) 03-07-2008, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Papino

Add it up to a terrorist attack on US soil before November

Don't worry, that is manufacturable! If it didn't start in NY already this week!

Atlakos · #**355** (**permalink**) 03-07-2008, 11:28 AM

seems to me hillary is mentioning mccain a lot in the last 4 days embracing Mccain in her speeches and weaning out Obama like a "Nonentity".

Its like she is saying its Me Only or no other Democrat - i'd rather it be a republican.

Its sad how this democratic party is so divided. Hillary clearly HATES Obama with a Passion and disdain she likes Mccain better- she is scary. Hilllary abeg make we hear word, you dont have any more experience than Laura Bush. Foreign policy experience ke?
- House wife in White house for 8 yrs - check
- Gave opening speech in Beijin womens conference - check
- Instrumental in the Northern ireland peace talk - opps but its been confirmed George Mitchell said she was not directly involved .
- Was there to open the Kosovo borders with Masadonia, only that the border was opened at 24hrs b4 she got there

- Had tea and cookies in 80 countries - check

Chei

i just dont want to see this division btwn hillary and obama. SanTzu - art of war, whilst these two are busy bickering with each other, Mccain, might take the lead and win this, as scary as that might be.

This years presidential campaign is so interesting - i cant wait till november to see the outcome.

Obariba · #**356** (**permalink**) 03-07-2008, 11:31 AM

...and Obama loves Clinton with a passion !!

Papino · #**357** (**permalink**) 03-07-2008, 08:43 PM

On experience,non of the contestants-democrat or republican-has any presidential experience and Hillary should slow down with that nonsense!
Imagine if George W's mother comes out to also argue that as first lady for 8years and first mama for another 8yrs including years as mum to governors of Texas and Florida,she is most qualified to be president.
Imagine also that Chelsea Clinton would one day argue that she joined her mother and father to campaigns with a few seconds appearance sometimes and is therefore experienced for the oval office.
Meanwhile,national security seems to be the new issue for Hillary now that it secured Mcain the republican nomination.She now sounds somewhat pro-Mcain in a sinister approach that relegates Obama to background starting with the 3am advert.
We are watching but the dirty route and bikkered politiking that is the order of the day,would most certainly drive pro-democratic voters away