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01-26-2008, 02:00 AM
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I prefer Clinton !!!!
As to the more charitable question of a choice between Hillary and Obama, my gut instincts say it will be Hillary. Obama may be the more likable young, handsome, rhetorically eloquent poster child of a progressive America (where in lies the lie, yes I know how that sounds) but Clinton is a reflection of America's uncomfortable truth. Dogged, connected, established, calculated, ambitious and effective all in a nicely coiffed exterior. All admirable if she wasn't a she.
Personally, I prefer Clinton. I do not find her likeable but I admire her, every line on her face, every battle, every position she has is earned and won in spite of the fact that she is not a lovable cuddly person. She works hard, she is knowledgeable, she has experienced public admiration, disdain and derision at different levels and roles (student activist, lawyer, mother, wife, first lady, senator) of her adult life and emerged, bruised but winning, hair blow-dried. I can only salute such a person. I am suspicious of the fact that the most important reason I am supposed to like Obama is because he has African roots, so what? I have not even heard a definitive statement about the Kenyan wahala from him. His speeches are too slogany which irks me as a Nigerian used to that sort of hoodwinking (vision 2010, 2025, change agents, change agenda, anticorruption etc, e bloody tc). I am also suspicious of squeaky clean public image or untested public poster children. That deep American drawl, 2.5 kids, stepfordy wife and goody two shoes rhetoric from a black man though understandable (no white establishment anywhere can digest a less dusted down black male) is Oreolly, Denzelly and motivational speaky.
As a Nigerian, I don't expect any of the candidates, including the now frankly uninteresting white males to favour me, however as an Africa black female person I once again lean towards Clinton. This after comparing their actions and positions on things like immigration, foreign policy and women's rights. I actually empathize with Obama because he cannot overtly play that African card too much or it will hurt his candidacy, similarly, if elected he would have to constantly prove that he is not unduly biased by his ethnicity. With experience he will learn to walk that thin line, right now, he hasn't got the experience. Clinton has had to walk that line regarding her gender and has found that balance and her voice.
America stands at the cusp of a very interesting reality; a new sort of leadership is required even if it is only on the surface. None of the white males bring that to bear, Obama would be great if I had more to go by in terms of experience and concrete action but Hillary is more deserving and perhaps better prepared, I like warriors and humans whose flaws I know. However, whether America will vote either of them against a fairly good white male candidate is a matter I am undecided about but I just feel that Clinton might be a more interesting new world leader going forth.
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01-26-2008, 01:59 PM
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I totally disagree. America needs change. For the last 12 years the presidency has been in two families. I do not belive in dynasties leading countries.
Obama is only 2 years older than former President Kennedy when he was elected into office. Obama does not have a shiny/perfect record. Read his book. You will see that he has admitted to using drugs and heading down the wrong path.
As for his Kenya roots, his father abandoned him when he was 3. What do you expect for him to do. Run to Kenya and force his father to take him back.
The author of this jibberish has not done her research and is showing poor journalism. She should go back to painting her nails or fixing her hair.
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01-26-2008, 02:55 PM
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who said that you are supposed to feel Obama because of his African roots? i've never heard that argued put forward anywhere.
nice to know that you support dynastic politics, though... they might as well anoint the Clintons and the Bushes as royal families.
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01-26-2008, 03:14 PM
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Utter nonsense!
Can someone tell this lady to go and do her research properly?
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01-26-2008, 05:30 PM
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Why would people complain about Hillary running because her husband was once a president and have no complaint about long running of white male presidential domination? I'm sure the only problem Hillary have running as president, is a black male running alongside her.
What will it be like, if Obama runs as a republican alongside many white males? will he still be a factor? Will he have more chance of getting a party nomination than running as a democrat?
And lastly, will Obama be strong, firm, unyielding, and be direct with any other nations and the lobbyist in U.S., than Hillary?
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01-26-2008, 06:40 PM
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Why would people complain about Hillary running because her husband was once a president and have no complaint about long running of white male presidential domination? I'm sure the only problem Hillary have running as president, is a black male running alongside her.
What will it be like, if Obama runs as a republican alongside many white males? will he still be a factor? Will he have more chance of getting a party nomination than running as a democrat?
And lastly, will Obama be strong, firm, unyielding, and be direct with any other nations and the lobbyist in U.S., than Hillary?
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What amazes me is, if you look at the issues, not the personalities, there is very little difference between Obama and Hilary. On issues alone, they are basically the same candidate..
It's very silly to me that to pump up your candidate, you must pull down the other.. Remember the real opposition is the republican candidate, whoever that will be....
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01-26-2008, 07:53 PM
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@Sidney,Thanks for reminding our folks that the main opponents would be the republican party:With the rate the democratic race is going,i am afraid that the candidates would so tear themselves apart that there would be little job for the republicans.Why would the roots of Obama play against him if he has answers to the problems of America?
People should note that the edge Hillary might have is not from mars..Simply put,the influence of a charming Bill whose policies kept America on good path is rubbing off on Hillary especially,at a time when Bush is clearly bankrupt of a political compass.Somebody joked recently that George Bush has disappointed Americans so much that they cannot entrust the presidency on another white male for at least eight years  That limits the choice to a blackmale or a white female!
Starting from Papa Bush,every ex and sitting US president,recieves the same security update on the economy,defence and so on.Hillary would definitely be more conversant with what it takes to be president of the United States with this and other advantages.At least,she is wife to a former President.
Lets just note that the anti-feminist arguement against Hillary is as dangerous and myaopic as the racial/root card against Obama.If somebody from a remote Austrian village can occupy the top post in California then its all possible.Whatever happened to "be all you can be" 
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01-26-2008, 09:14 PM
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...I think Clinton will clinch the ticket and ultimately win the White House.I said a long time ago when U got the to rep NY that if this woman ran for president she would win.The country enjoyed a lot of economic success during the Clinton presidency,and it all went downhill when Bush came in....another Clinton will bring hopes of economic resurgence and that will propel her to win..
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01-26-2008, 09:31 PM
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What amazes me is, if you look at the issues, not the personalities, there is very little difference between Obama and Hilary. On issues alone, they are basically the same candidate..
It's very silly to me that to pump up your candidate, you must pull down the other.. Remember the real opposition is the republican candidate, whoever that will be....
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kpom!!!!!The Democrats should vote the candidate most likely to beat the Republicans...and I'm not sure if Obama can pull that off..
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01-26-2008, 10:40 PM
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It is absolutely silly and unproductive to have a funeral for the word nigger when the actions continue.
We need to have a movement to resurrect brothers and sisters, not a funeral for niggers, cause niggers dont die
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i dont think americans are ready for a woman or a black president americans are very funny. well we just have to wait and see,
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01-29-2008, 03:04 PM
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@Sidney,Thanks for reminding our folks that the main opponents would be the republican party:With the rate the democratic race is going,i am afraid that the candidates would so tear themselves apart that there would be little job for the republicans.Why would the roots of Obama play against him if he has answers to the problems of America?
People should note that the edge Hillary might have is not from mars..Simply put,the influence of a charming Bill whose policies kept America on good path is rubbing off on Hillary especially,at a time when Bush is clearly bankrupt of a political compass.Somebody joked recently that George Bush has disappointed Americans so much that they cannot entrust the presidency on another white male for at least eight years  That limits the choice to a blackmale or a white female!
Starting from Papa Bush,every ex and sitting US president,recieves the same security update on the economy,defence and so on.Hillary would definitely be more conversant with what it takes to be president of the United States with this and other advantages.At least,she is wife to a former President.
Lets just note that the anti-feminist arguement against Hillary is as dangerous and myaopic as the racial/root card against Obama.If somebody from a remote Austrian village can occupy the top post in California then its all possible.Whatever happened to "be all you can be" 
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and indeed the Republicans are waiting for us to pick the weakest candidate !
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Bill really wants that First Lady seat.......

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Originally Posted by sidney
What amazes me is, if you look at the issues, not the personalities, there is very little difference between Obama and Hilary. On issues alone, they are basically the same candidate..
It's very silly to me that to pump up your candidate, you must pull down the other.. Remember the real opposition is the republican candidate, whoever that will be....
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don't worry...once the democratic election is over, we shall all be one...u have to remember that the US is not like Africa or other parts of the world where you will find the candidates turned into enemies after the election... 
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