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Sola · #31 (**permalink**) 02-18-2008, 06:30 PM

Good dialogue after all...

Pretty Girl · #32 (**permalink**) 02-18-2008, 06:50 PM

Ha ha! Obariba my one and only...you're just toooo mesh

Girl, I would bet that you're a defense attorney of some kind because if you're not already one then you really need to maybe gear your career towards that line.

Trust me to be one of your first client because I'm guaranteed to have all my cases won even when it's obvious without a doubt that I commited the offense

Abike · #33 (**permalink**) 02-18-2008, 08:15 PM

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, carry on in the thread....good dialogue like aforementioned....

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Originally Posted by Pretty Girl

Ha ha! Obariba my one and only...you're just toooo mesh

Girl, I would bet that you're a defense attorney of some kind because if you're not already one then you really need to maybe gear your career towards that line.

Trust me to be one of your first client because I'm guaranteed to have all my cases won even when it's obvious without a doubt that I commited the offense

Papino · #34 (**permalink**) 02-18-2008, 09:05 PM

My view on the issue remains the same prior to not too pleasant commentaries and now that constructive arguements have been sold and bought.The man who is wishing for re-colonisation is missing a big point which is that,it usually comes with a painful price.It distorts the social,economic and psychological bearings of the colonised to point a few.
Somehow,we progressed beyond the blame-game in this thread and located the obstacles to sustainable development at the footage of holding more unto the things that does not matter.But the unfortunate lacuna to this commonly accepted truth is that development is what the west says it is.It might well be that walking around naked is more civil than walking clothed but with a systematic mental/thought patern used before,during and after colonisation,one would sound like a potential psycho-patient to argue in this line.But,God dey!!
We recieved everything plus more from the colonialists including a tendency to percieve or see everything "Oyibo" as superior and better starting, with the first likely baby doll we had as a toy which looked caucasian, with blue/green eyes and blond hair-Check!!.
But,this thread is at the point of professing ideas to a better Africa so,lets keep it at that.In my view,We are the greatest detterent to change that we dearly need.

Some obstacles in question are located in;
-Our un-willingness to adopt from other societies,features that would enhance sustainable growth in ours
-Our inability to cope with critisicm which stems from our "might is right" background
-Our readiness to copy verbatim systems that are successsful in the Western world without looking at the functional disparities between their societies and ours
-Our over-indulgence in the advancement of self more than of state
And so on.
More than anything else,we should tackle these problems rather than imagine a re-colonisation

filmdirector · #35 (**permalink**) 02-18-2008, 10:11 PM

I think once a person has reached a point where slavery is better than freedom then they have lost a core essence in humanity - the inherent right, God given to be free, fight/die for it and desire it - your soul. Corruption and selfishness has destroyed the soul of the average African.

I will not get over the shock I felt when I heard people back in Nigeria tell me that it is true that they are inferior to the whites and that they are created and born that way.

I never knew someone in Nigeria could think that way and it opened my eyes to how low we have fallen. I hear that in the States but to hear it in NIgeria was indeed sad.

That man or person that cries out for colonialism is really crying out for food on his table, clothes on his back, a job to give his family security. Our leaders have a lot to answer for.

At the same time I see us Nigerians in many cases at home as lazy waiting for the govt to provide everything. Don't get me wrong the govt should provide a lot and they have their sworn duty to do more than they do but I also see an apathy that is grippling amongst the people. Religion, pride, tradition and false sense of importance and class is what we fall on to avoid thinking for ourselves. God and faith is good and tradition is good but when it takes away from an individual using their common sense well then it is a yolk. Everyone is struggling to be seen as important and will use religion and tradition to attain it. The masses as fools follow along.

Sadly it is so entrenched that even some that have travelled aren't any better from their travels. They still think the same, reason the same and resist any thing new fooling themselves that it's because of pride in tradition while really it is a fear of failure, low self esteem and fear of adapting to something new and unknown. They hide their fear by congregating in packs - will only hang out with Nigerians, Nigerian church, Nigerian parties and Nigerian restaurants and shops. You break away from that and you're seen as "trying to be all that." Sorry if I sound harsh. I am tired and just speaking from experience, what I have observed.

How can someone spend 20 years in an overseas country yet go back home and do the same things without reason that an unexposed person does? How can people that are educated and supposedly aware, immediately revert to uncivilized mannerisms once they step foot in the plane heading to Africa? Lould talking, fights, filth on the floor, disobedience to flight instructions, indiscipline ..sit the plane is taxing.. no I must stand ... It is embarassing!!

Solution? I talk about it when the opportunity presents itself and i personally resist the negative when I go home. I state my case don't care if you are pastor or politician. I thank God I can cuz really I need nothing from any of them. But I try to be realistic. I can't visit for 2 weeks, try and convince people that are living there permanently to buck the system when these same people need to be subserviant to it to survive. But little by little.

I think they biggest contribution I can give to better the situation is to be the best I can be wherever I am, in my conduct, family and livelihood - to excel. Then people hopefully will listen, an opinion might change and my glory though illuminated from one small person will hopefully bounce off someone. That I can only hope for.

Obariba · #36 (**permalink**) 02-19-2008, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Pretty Girl

Ha ha! Obariba my one and only...you're just toooo mesh

Girl, I would bet that you're a defense attorney of some kind because if you're not already one then you really need to maybe gear your career towards that line.

Trust me to be one of your first client because I'm guaranteed to have all my cases won even when it's obvious without a doubt that I commited the offense

You no watch that movie the debaters by Denzel ....na power of the spoken word now ....we gorro figure out this mess in our generation oooh cos when awa time pass .......wahala go burst !!!

Obariba · #37 (**permalink**) 02-19-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by filmdirector

I think once a person has reached a point where slavery is better than freedom then they have lost a core essence in humanity - the inherent right, God given to be free, fight/die for it and desire it - your soul. Corruption and selfishness has destroyed the soul of the average African.

It is true ...it appears we are giving up and no one seems to be trying any more.
There is a guy called Asari Dokubo who was fighting for the right of the minorities in the Niger Delta ...I read so many comments on this site criticizing him ...what we have is a "na their problem attitude"

That is why I believe it is time for Nigeria to split ....this Federal republic thing is not working out for us ....The Youth service program has not changed much in Nigeria neither has the Federal secondary schools. we arent liking ourselves any better than when they started those programs

I believe the smaller the country the better the development.

or they need to run the country under three leaders and divide the states among them ...just like it was done briefly after independence !!

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I will not get over the shock I felt when I heard people back in Nigeria tell me that it is true that they are inferior to the whites and that they are created and born that way.

I never knew someone in Nigeria could think that way and it opened my eyes to how low we have fallen. I hear that in the States but to hear it in NIgeria was indeed sad.

I know our people are fascinated by foreigners ...some back home consider Asians,Lebanese,Spanish, Mexicans all as Oyibo pepe

I dont really look at it as inferiority complex I think its just a fascination with things foreign or tourist pakpa !!.

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That man or person that cries out for colonialism is really crying out for food on his table, clothes on his back, a job to give his family security. Our leaders have a lot to answer for.

I agree and the only memories they have of good times is before independence.
Our leaders are scared if they dont steal during their tenure that the person after them will steal ...... there is no desire to leave a legacy ...like Thomas Sankara and Alfred Diete Spiff did. I thought that the igbenedion governor who comes from a family of wealth would turn his state around ...no he embezzled even worse that other governors from humble beginings !!

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At the same time I see us Nigerians in many cases at home as lazy waiting for the govt to provide everything. Don't get me wrong the govt should provide a lot and they have their sworn duty to do more than they do but I also see an apathy that is grippling amongst the people. Religion, pride, tradition and false sense of importance and class is what we fall on to avoid thinking for ourselves. God and faith is good and tradition is good but when it takes away from an individual using their common sense well then it is a yolk. Everyone is struggling to be seen as important and will use religion and tradition to attain it. The masses as fools follow along.

Mental slavery thats what it is ....religion is no longer a personal thing ...its either a my way or the highway ....way of life !!
Read the Is Allah God thread ... I saw how a poster was almost scared of discussing the issue about christianity ...lest the holy ghost strike her down ...almost like she was saying to herself ... "abeg oh lord see my post ... im the only one saying there is no other religion or higher power or belief system apart from u"

We are so superstitious that it even carries over to the way we practice christianity.

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Sadly it is so entrenched that even some that have travelled aren't any better from their travels. They still think the same, reason the same and resist any thing new fooling themselves that it's because of pride in tradition while really it is a fear of failure, low self esteem and fear of adapting to something new and unknown. They hide their fear by congregating in packs - will only hang out with Nigerians, Nigerian church, Nigerian parties and Nigerian restaurants and shops. You break away from that and you're seen as "trying to be all that." Sorry if I sound harsh. I am tired and just speaking from experience, what I have observed.

Well other countries also kinda stick together ...hey its not like we have a Nigeria town yet

there is Little Italy In NYC
China town
and
Little Haiti in Florida.

Nigerians enjoy their own company.......happiest people in the world they're called

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How can someone spend 20 years in an overseas country yet go back home and do the same things without reason that an unexposed person does? How can people that are educated and supposedly aware, immediately revert to uncivilized mannerisms once they step foot in the plane heading to Africa? Lould talking, fights, filth on the floor, disobedience to flight instructions, indiscipline ..sit the plane is taxing.. no I must stand ... It is embarassing!!

No comment !!!

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Solution? I talk about it when the opportunity presents itself and i personally resist the negative when I go home. I state my case don't care if you are pastor or politician. I thank God I can cuz really I need nothing from any of them. But I try to be realistic. I can't visit for 2 weeks, try and convince people that are living there permanently to buck the system when these same people need to be subserviant to it to survive. But little by little.

I pray you receive more inspiration or creative ideas to make a bigger impact !!

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I think they biggest contribution I can give to better the situation is to be the best I can be wherever I am, in my conduct, family and livelihood - to excel. Then people hopefully will listen, an opinion might change and my glory though illuminated from one small person will hopefully bounce off someone. That I can only hope for.

Dont forget to add that you can produce movies that could challenge our people amd stimulate social and political consciousness ...you have the power ...lets leave all these frivulous movie themes alone and get busy !!

Obariba · #38 (**permalink**) 02-19-2008, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Papino

My view on the issue remains the same prior to not too pleasant commentaries and now that constructive arguements have been sold and bought.

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The man who is wishing for re-colonisation is missing a big point which is that,it usually comes with a painful price.It distorts the social,economic and psychological bearings of the colonised to point a few.

Kindly give an example of what kind of painful price one should pay ?

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Somehow,we progressed beyond the blame-game in this thread and located the obstacles to sustainable development at the footage of holding more unto the things that does not matter.But the unfortunate lacuna to this commonly accepted truth is that development is what the west says it is.It might well be that walking around naked is more civil than walking clothed but with a systematic mental/thought patern used before,during and after colonisation,one would sound like a potential psycho-patient to argue in this line.But,God dey!!

Break it down somemore please !

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We recieved everything plus more from the colonialists including a tendency to percieve or see everything "Oyibo" as superior and better starting, with the first likely baby doll we had as a toy which looked caucasian, with blue/green eyes and blond hair-Check!!.

The rest of the Black universe endured that ... we do have ethnic dolls now.

Even the wedding cake toppers had a white plastic bride and groom ...hey that also began the Skin bleaching revolution ....where prescription creams like dermovate were being mixed with body creams loaded with hydroquinine !!

Now the steroids in those creams are causing serious medical defects ...check out the thread on this website !!

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But,this thread is at the point of professing ideas to a better Africa so,lets keep it at that.In my view,We are the greatest detterent to change that we dearly need.

Some obstacles in question are located in;
-Our un-willingness to adopt from other societies,features that would enhance sustainable growth in ours

Example please !!

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-Our inability to cope with critisicm which stems from our "might is right" background

True ...we dont understand the term to ..Stoop to conquer !!

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-Our readiness to copy verbatim systems that are successsful in the Western world without looking at the functional disparities between their societies and ours

Please give an example ...i do agree ..but long to read an example !!

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Our over-indulgence in the advancement of self more than of state

Bingo !!!

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And so on.
More than anything else,we should tackle these problems rather than imagine a re-colonisation

Thanks !!