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Old 04-18-2008, 08:46 PM
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This is my opinion...like it or lump it!

So you think it is ok for someone to lead a protest on an aircraft of all places, post 9-11 and to be able to get away scot free?

What Mr.Omotade did was wrong and i feel that the Nigerians intent on protesting the BA are only succeeding in making us look like a bigger group of ignoramuses than we are thought to be already.

A court executed deportation order was taking place. The Deportee obviously refused to leave the country with a bit of dignity and chose to make a scene, screaming ‘I go die’, which means, ‘I will die!’ as in ‘I will die if I am taken back to Nigeria!’

Mr Omotade aka Mr Over-Sabi, bigged up his chest and went to go and face the immigration officials…note: immigration officials as BA staff would not have been handling the Deportee. Did he really think that he could stop such an order? Things got out of hand with Mr Over-Sabi getting his fellow passengers riled up and so the immigration officials left and reported him to the police. Police come to get their man and apparently he refuses to go quietly. Several more passengers get involved.

International flight rules are very clear and followed to a T by those in the aviation industry. There is a zero tolerance when it comes to assaults on airline staff and assaults are not only defined as physical. Raising your voice or issuing threats against an airline official is also deemed to be an assault. Had this taken place in the US Mr Over-Sabi would have probably been tasered and sent down for at least a year!

After the Police leave with Mr.Over-Sabi, the Pilot feels that it would be wise for those individuals who got involved in the arrest to be removed so that they can calm down. Apparently if the ruckus starts up again in mid-flight then it is possible that the Pilot ( i hear that he is a Nigerian) could lose his license. None of the BA staff (some Nigerians)are sure who exactly took part and so the Pilot makes the decision to clear the economy flight (not all are Nigerians). The plane finally jets of with first and business class passengers (Nigerians) and the deportee with his escorts.

Now the long and short end of it is that if Mr Over-Sabi had sat his a$$ down in his seat and endured the noise he would have made it to his brother’s wedding on time. Instead he is playing victim when he is really brought this all on himself.

BA is not the only airline in the world that transfers Deportees and they so happen to be legally obligated by UK law to do so. It is not their fault if a Deportee decides to make a scene. What did Mr Over-Sabi want them to do? Sedate the Deportee, gag him and put a bag over his head like the Spanish did to one who choked to death on the Spanish flight a year or so ago? If Mr Over-Sabi had wanted peace and quiet on his flight then he should have forked out for first class. Simple!

Notice how he doesn’t mention anything about the state of the Deportee over than the fact that he was making noise on the plane. And people are still making out like he is an upstanding citizen who stopped his fellow Nigerian from being pummelled to death, when really if that were the case I am sure he would mentioned it in his transcript . . . if only to gain even more sympathy for himself. If he had really been concerned about the Deportee then he should have offered the chap assistance once they reached Nigeria instead of doing over-sabi a the plane of all places!

Am sorry Cheriah, if I see anyone maltreating someone, I have every right to interrupt and plead with them to not "kill" him or her especially when I would be flying on the same flight with this traumatized or potentially dangerous deportee without the immigration people around.

You know a Nigerian was gagged and killed while deporting him from Spain and no man deserves the right to be treated that way. In a western world where one can be charged for cruelty to animals....such cruelty to another human being is totally unacceptable....you think they'd do that same thing to an American?

This situation is only a reflection of the level of disrespect that BA has for Nigerians and its been ongoing…the only difference here is that someone has decided to speak up…and No, its got nothing to do with zero level of tolerance.

...and the biggest shame is that at the end of the day, Nigerians are only left with matters in their hands with online protests and its like...We cannot rely on our government to give a louder voice in times like this.
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Old 04-19-2008, 03:48 AM
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Am sorry Cheriah, if I see anyone maltreating someone, I have every right to interrupt and plead with them to not "kill" him or her especially when I would be flying on the same flight with this traumatized or potentially dangerous deportee without the immigration people around.

You know a Nigerian was gagged and killed while deporting him from Spain and no man deserves the right to be treated that way. In a western world where one can be charged for cruelty to animals....such cruelty to another human being is totally unacceptable....you think they'd do that same thing to an American?

This situation is only a reflection of the level of disrespect that BA has for Nigerians and its been ongoing…the only difference here is that someone has decided to speak up…and No, its got nothing to do with zero level of tolerance.

...and the biggest shame is that at the end of the day, Nigerians are only left with matters in their hands with online protests and its like...We cannot rely on our government to give a louder voice in times like this.
I agree. However there is no evidence that the man was being mistreated. That is my point! Ayo never mentions the state of the Deportee in his transcript. . . only that he was screaming "I go die!'. Ayo only mentions the 'disturbance' which says to me that he was more concerned by the noise the the Deportee was making more than anything else. If the Deportee had been bruised beaten and was been sat on by several more people than necessarily then I would understand your stance.

You mentioned the one in Spain. And this is why I wrote this, which you missed:

'BA is not the only airline in the world that transfers Deportees and they so happen to be legally obligated by UK law to do so. It is not their fault if a Deportee decides to make a scene. What did Mr Over-Sabi want them to do? Sedate the Deportee, gag him and put a bag over his head like the Spanish did to one who choked to death on the Spanish flight a year or so ago? If Mr Over-Sabi had wanted peace and quiet on his flight then he should have forked out for first class. Simple!'


In short, some Deportees do not leave quietly or willingly and so they are likely to cause a scene. Unless Mr Ayo can say he saw with his own two eyes that this man was been restrained unnecessarily, then he doesn't have a case.
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Where you on the flight, Cheriah? Or is there a source for your version of the story?
Sources are: Personal knowledge of how Deportees are handled on BA flights, I have witnessed several and BA never have anything to do with forcibly getting a deportee on the plane. That is the job of the accompanying immigration officials. Most Deportees always make a scene, trying to solicit sympathy from their fellow passengers. Also from what Ayo doesn't say in his transcript about the state of the Deportee in the hands of immigration and from several other accounts that I have read. From what I have gathered so far, Mr Ayo deserved to be arrested.




BA on transferring Deportees.

Airlines under increasing pressure to end deportation of asylum seekers | Ekklesia

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British Airways and Virgin, who were contacted by The Independent, said their aircraft had been used for the purposes of escorted deportations as they were under a legal obligation to return failed asylum-seekers. A Virgin spokesperson said: "That is a matter for the Home Office, who makes immigration policy. We are simply not qualified to make those decisions."

British Airways refused to say how many removals it carried out each year, but said it adopted a policy of permitting one escorted or two unescorted removals per flight : "It is UK law and we comply with it – it's like asking whether we are happy paying income tax."

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Yar'Adua orders probe of British Airways incident
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PRESIDENT Umaru Musa Yar'Adua has directed the Minister of State for Transportation (Aviation), Mr Felix Hyatt, to begin an urgent investigation into a March 27, 2008 incident in which British Airways (BA) allegedly ordered more than 100 Nigerians off its London to Lagos flight "for protesting against the brutal treatment of a deportee aboard."

Yar'Adua, who is in Germany for a medical review, asked Hyatt to take all necessary measures and protect "the travelling public from the humiliation they face daily from foreign airlines."

A source told The Guardian that the President had seen reports of the incident from the British media, expressing "disgust" at the "seeming non-chalant attitude of BA officials."

He, therefore, directed that since the minister has not forwarded any report of the incident to his office, he should be formally written to investigate the incident and report back to him.

The source added: "The President is said to be concerned by the recent resurgence of complaints about the poor treatment, discrimination and downright abuse meted out to Nigerians by some foreign airlines operating in the country.

"The President has also directed the minister to make it absolutely clear to all foreign airlines operating in Nigeria that under no circumstance will his administration tolerate the subjection of Nigerian passengers to less than acceptable standards of treatment."


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Lets hope da minister will deliver ! Hope NHC will do dier job as well !!!

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Oh yes

I will not be signing a petition and I will continue to use BA to Nigeria as long as they continue to operate on those routes.

Many innocent Nigerians have died at the hands of the Nigerian aviation authority which is considers Nigerian life cheap. They constantly allow planes that have been condemned by other countries to operate in our airspace and this has resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent Nigerians. One of the most horrific one that comes to mind is the plane that was carrying school children which killed all on board.

Wouldn't it be great if a protest against the Nigerian aviation authority was initiated before any protest against BA because of Mr Over-Sabi?
Thousands ke? No life is cheap but abeg take am easy with the exaggeration.
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Thousands ke? No life is cheap but abeg take am easy with the exaggeration.
I agree, life is not cheap but unfortunately in Nigeria life is considered cheap by the Government.

And yes, thousands of Nigerians have lost their lives due to negligence of the Nigerian aviation authority which considers Nigerian life cheap! Come out of your bubble! This is not an exaggeration!
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