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Sola · #46 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 02:01 PM

They haven't been impacted where it matters by a collective voice, that's all. There are some things worth fighting for, period. The whole world treats your people like animals and you sit there saying we deserve it. And if we are the worst in all of the world, what is bad is bad. I've never ever been a problem on any flight. I never carry more than share of luggage. And I will never have any other passport aside of my Green one. Should I be treated with disdain too just because I am Nigerian? Its there problem if they have no clue how to solve the real problems. Insulting a whole nation must stop. If we take a stand with this idiots, the others will get the message. We don't all have to stop flying them. Just enough to dent their pocket is all we need. That's the only place where they fell pain.

samira · #47 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sola

They haven't been impacted where it matters by a collective voice, that's all. There are some things worth fighting for, period. The whole world treats your people like animals and you sit there saying we deserve it. And if we are the worst in all of the world, what is bad is bad. I've never ever been a problem on any flight. I never carry more than share of luggage. And I will never have any other passport aside of my Green one. Should I be treated with disdain too just because I am Nigerian? Its there problem if they have no clue how to solve the real problems. Insulting a whole nation must stop. If we take a stand with this idiots, the others will get the message. We don't all have to stop flying them. Just enough to dent their pocket is all we need. That's the only place where they fell pain.

Pray tell us, what should we also do about the troublesome ones among us? Should we the innocent ones also continue to sit aside and watch others make fool of themselves at our expense? You and others have made excellent points but it really starts from us and not them. When we choose to misbehave by disrespecting ourselves, then we have no one to blame but ourselves….i remember back in 2000 a Ghanaian lady at Dullas airport was told just like all of us that the limit for each of her luggage was 70pounds or so. This woman made a big scene at the airport just because of this…this rule applied to all of us and mind you I am not referring only to black people but to ALL….My uncle and I were standing directly behind her in the line and she went on and on and wasted our time…finally, they took her aside and a shouting march started btwn she and the airport stuff for the airline…as the flight officials had simply had enough of her tantrums….imagine if this had been after 911! My uncle who was traveling that day, (I was only there to see him off) wanted to drink some coffee and so after he checked in, we went off to MacDonalds…later on when he was going to his gate we had to walk pass the check in area and we saw this silly woman now sitting on the floor begging and crying....a simple rule that she could have obeyed but no, the African woman had to make a scene as usual….when my uncle got to Kotoka airport in Ghana, he later told me that he saw the woman narrating the events to her relatives and going on about what she did to them before they allowed her to bring all of her things….meanwhile, I am pretty sure that she paid for the excess luggage as there is no way they will have allowed her to travel…see, it is not about the people treating us unfairly….I think we have passed that stage and it is time we also start taking responsibility by respecting our selves….Whether we like it or not, these oyibo people do not like us and are always looking for the chance to resent us….so why should we also make it easy for them? You do not see them treating others asuch as they know that after all they have their own planes and something to show for….but what do we Africans have to show for? Nothing but yet, we got big mouth to complain when we act up. Abeg, make we see something jare. The other Ghanaians who came by later on thought the airport stuff were being racist as usual....but those of us who were there at the time when the incident occurred, saw everything and understood where the stuff members of the airline were coming from. those on the BA airline who spoke on the behalf of the so called victim, had they witness his behavior right from the start and not when he got into the BA plane, may have kept quite...see, we the innocent ones end up getting it too when others are misbehaving...hmmm.

Eee · #48 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by samira

Eee, it was indeed an outburst but the truth hurts ehh

“He who wants a rose must respect the thorn.”
Persian Proverb quotes

Yes Samira we are both agreed on it being an outburst. But that's where the agreement stops, the others, I believe, are a distortion of the truth.

Arguments bother me, so I'm not even going to try but I do hate unfairness.

Sometimes children of the worst behavior get treated well by people simply because of their parentage. Whilst I'm not advocating bad behavior, I'm simply trying to make a point- it's blatant disregard for a Country and its people.

Oh and Samira, "The roses fall, but the thorns remain".

samira · #49 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Eee

Yes Samira we are both agreed on it being an outburst. But that's where the agreement stops, the others, I believe, are a distortion of the truth.

Arguments bother me, so I'm not even going to try but I do hate unfairness.

Sometimes children of the worst behavior get treated well by people simply because of their parentage. Whilst I'm not advocating bad behavior, I'm simply trying to make a point- it's blatant disregard for a Country and its people.

Oh and Samira, "The roses fall, but the thorns remain".

Eee, adults are not children....abeg....smooches

OlaMichael · #50 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sola

They haven't been impacted where it matters by a collective voice, that's all. There are some things worth fighting for, period. The whole world treats your people like animals and you sit there saying we deserve it. And if we are the worst in all of the world, what is bad is bad. I've never ever been a problem on any flight. I never carry more than share of luggage. And I will never have any other passport aside of my Green one. Should I be treated with disdain too just because I am Nigerian? Its there problem if they have no clue how to solve the real problems. Insulting a whole nation must stop. If we take a stand with this idiots, the others will get the message. We don't all have to stop flying them. Just enough to dent their pocket is all we need. That's the only place where they fell pain.

@Highlighted, Precisely on point! That's what BA did by that irrational act of dismbarking 135 passengers (mainly nigerians) from that flight. That's what got me riled up when I read the story the first time.

I mean if they had just removed Mr Ademola alone, (as bad as that could be) maybe I'd say well, he deserved it. But to clear the whole cabin and giving some flimsy excuse, that's going to far! That's insulting us as a people. And then the Minister for aviation requests that BA's director in naija attend a meeting to discuss it but instead of attending, he sends a junior manager to meet the minister. Then this latest one of sending another manager to apologise to nigeria.

For those who think this was cool. Turn the tables around for a while. If it was US citizens that this happens to, and it had gotten to the attention of The US aviation secretary/minister and the US president, etc etc if BA were to apologise, who do you suppose will make the apology? A manager based in washington? Or the BA's director?

Please let's have some self-worth, BA's attitude/approach to this whole incidence so far, stinks and is at best very condescending.

samira · #51 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OlaMichael

@Highlighted, Precisely on point! That's what BA did by that irrational act of dismbarking 135 passengers (mainly nigerians) from that flight. That's what got me riled up when I read the story the first time.

I mean if they had just removed Mr Ademola alone, (as bad as that could be) maybe I'd say well, he deserved it. But to clear the whole cabin and giving some flimsy excuse, that's going to far! That's insulting us as a people. And then the Minister for aviation requests that BA's director in naija attend a meeting to discuss it but instead of attending, he sends a junior manager to meet the minister. Then this latest one of sending another manager to apologise to nigeria.

For those who think this was cool. Turn the tables around for a while. If it was citizens that this happens to, and it had gotten to the attention of The US aviation secretary/minister and the US president, etc etc if BA were to apologise, who do you suppose will make the apology? A manager based in washington? Or the BA's director?

Please let's have some self-worth, BA's attitude/approach to this whole incidence so far, stinks and is at best very condescending.

As usual olaA has to go there...who finds what cool? where you on the plane and did you witness how the remaining passengers also behaved? If there was a shouting march going on, knowing the oyibo man, he will comot all to satisfy the remaining passengers...not fair but.......some of our people are to be blamed too...and that is what some of us are also pointing out...no one in their right minds finds this cool....how can this happen to citzens on the BA plane? However, I have seen numerous times citzens here in the US regardless of the race, being slammed on the ground and arrested at stadiums and other places when they are misbehaving...abeg, direct the self-worth nonsense to those misbehaving...!

OlaMichael · #52 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by samira

Pray tell us, what should we also do about the troublesome ones among us? Should we the innocent ones also continue to sit aside and watch others make fool of themselves at our expense? You and others have made excellent points but it really starts from us and not them. When we choose to misbehave by disrespecting ourselves, then we have no one to blame but ourselves….i remember back in 2000 a Ghanaian lady at Dullas airport was told just like all of us that the limit for each of her luggage was 70pounds or so. This woman made a big scene at the airport just because of this…this rule applied to all of us and mind you I am not referring only to black people but to ALL….My uncle and I were standing directly behind her in the line and she went on and on and wasted our time…finally, they took her aside and a shouting march started btwn she and the airport stuff for the airline…as the flight officials had simply had enough of her tantrums….imagine if this had been after 911! My uncle who was traveling that day, (I was only there to see him off) wanted to drink some coffee and so after he checked in, we went off to MacDonalds…later on when he was going to his gate we had to walk pass the check in area and we saw this silly woman now sitting on the floor begging and crying....a simple rule that she could have obeyed but no, the African woman had to make a scene as usual….when my uncle got to Kotoka airport in Ghana, he later told me that he saw the woman narrating the events to her relatives and going on about what she did to them before they allowed her to bring all of her things….meanwhile, I am pretty sure that she paid for the excess luggage as there is no way they will have allowed her to travel…see, it is not about the people treating us unfairly….I think we have passed that stage and it is time we also start taking responsibility by respecting our selves….Whether we like it or not, these oyibo people do not like us and are always looking for the chance to resent us….so why should we also make it easy for them? You do not see them treating others asuch as they know that after all they have their own planes and something to show for….but what do we Africans have to show for? Nothing but yet, we got big mouth to complain when we act up. Abeg, make we see something jare. The other Ghanaians who came by later on thought the airport stuff were being racist as usual....but those of us who were there at the time when the incident occurred, saw everything and understood where the stuff members of the airline were coming from. those on the BA airline who spoke on the behalf of the so called victim, had they witness his behavior right from the start and not when he got into the BA plane, may have kept quite...see, we the innocent ones end up getting it too when others are misbehaving...hmmm.

I think u miss the point. No one is saying Nigerians (those who are rude) don't need to work on their attitude. We do. But no matter what, and no matter how rude a customer is, you don't treat them like dirt let alone insult a whole NATION by clearing out the entire economy cabin and say "we couldn't identify A from B". Even in your example, I am sure if you think back carefully to that day and memory serves you right, you'll find that all the shouting would have been done from the woman. At best, the airline staff will have been trying to make her see reason and NOT shout back at her.

What is wrong is wrong, BA were wrong. But my thing with them and all other airlines that do the same extends beyond just that one incident. They should learn to respect us as a people.

That's what u do in business. You deal with the situation, but don't insult an entire nation. Please, it's not done anywhere else. And whether we have an airline or not, should not determine how we get treated. We'll work on our faults, but in the meantime, we demand some respect and quality service.

OlaMichael · #53 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by samira

As usual olaA has to go there...who finds what cool? where you on the plane and did you witness how the remaining passengers also behaved? If there was a shouting march going on, knowing the oyibo man, he will comot all to satisfy the remaining passengers...not fair but.......some of our people are to be blamed too...and that is what some of us are also pointing out...no one in their right minds finds this cool....how can this happen to citzens on the BA plane? However, I have seen numerous times citzens here in the US regardless of the race, being slammed on the ground and arrested at stadiums and other places when they are misbehaving...abeg, direct the self-worth nonsense to those misbehaving...!

Sorry, I am not sure I comprehend this post. Please expatiate

samira · #54 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OlaMichael

I think u miss the point. No one is saying Nigerians (those who are rude) don't need to work on their attitude. We do. But no matter what, and no matter how rude a customer is, you don't treat them like dirt let alone insult a whole NATION by clearing out the entire economy cabin and say "we couldn't identify A from B". Even in your example, I am sure if you think back carefully to that day and memory serves you right, you'll find that all the shouting would have been done from the woman. At best, the airline staff will have been trying to make her see reason and NOT shout back at her.

What is wrong is wrong, BA were wrong. But my thing with them and all other airlines that do the same extends beyond just that one incident. They should learn to respect us as a people.

That's what u do in business. You deal with the situation, but don't insult an entire nation. Please, it's not done anywhere else. And whether we have an airline or not, should not determine how we get treated. We'll work on our faults, but in the meantime, we demand some respect and quality service.

OlaM, I understand you and others very well...there have been times when I felt violent watching the oyibo treat another Ghanaian or African like that. I have also witness how the events started and how it ended. Some of our people make it difficult for all of us...Business may be business, but one thing we have to know by now is that the oyibo man does not like us and resents us....that is the more reason why we should not give them the chance to disrespect us.....and the only way how is to respect ourselves first...you keep saying that they should respect us, but what about us also respecting ourselves? yes, it was going too far by removing the remaining passengers but this is what happens when we continue to mishave...we also need to speak out to our own. The citzens may have the law to protect them but a deportee does not! That is why they did not even find it necessary to have their manager or director to apologize. I do not find anything wrong with having a Naija man do the job for them as regardless, if a manager or a director had, it will not have been from the bottom of their heart anyway. There is no excuse whatsoever for them to have tied up that other dude on the other plane to his death....no excuse whatsoever...but a rule is a rule and it is time we started following it and stop making excuses.

mimi victor · #55 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 03:38 PM

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This is the ripple effect....

I know it is going to come to this sometimes with Delta. They will stop begging us and start insulting us soon. I think They will soon start asking for Mental clearance certificate, before they let us in their Aircraft. Shame on Nigeria. We cannot even operate our own Airline. They decorated the Airport landing into the country with the carcases of Nigeria Airway for everybody to see. SHAME to our goverment.

Henchey · #56 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 04:58 PM

This issue is simple.
If the Nigeria Airways of old was carrying a group of Brits or Americans back to their country after say...the Junior World Cup held in Nigeria, and a drunken group started making a fuss on the flight and the pilot decides to boot ALL the Brits or the Americans off the plane "Because we couldnt identify who was who"...what would happen next?

The Brits chiding themselves, saying they 'deserve it' becos of their 'culture of drunkenness'?
Or the Americans arguing they 'deserve it' cos of their culture of 'loudness' and 'brazenness'?

I can tell you the answer for free:
Neither of the above.
Rather, that Nigerian Airline go see peppeh!

All these funny people saying we 'deserve' it simply becos we cannot get every one of 140million Nigerians to 'behave' all have issues big time!!!
How sad.

Funmibaby · #57 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 06:05 PM

I'm not a funny person >(

OlaM and co. i respect your feelings, truly i do, i just don't subscribe to it. That's my opinion and I'm no more or less Nigerian than anyone else so I think my opinions are still valid as well.

I don't think this incident is a diss to an entire country and i definitely don't think it's my job to now defend this so called diss. I think it's hypocritical, i think some are using this as an opportunity to bully an airline. You don't get to behave unruly in a plane and get away with it. Sorry. To all the people crying America, America, if they were restraining someone in the car and he or she was YELLING in the cabin, what would all these so called "nice conscientious" people have done???? at most you would politely ask the hostess wats up? or curse under your breath, or if you're really pissed asked them to get the guy to shut up as you're paying for a pleasant flight. You certainly won't behave unruly and believe you me if you tried AMERICA will bounce your ass and declare you a potential terrorist and you'll be shown on the 6 oclock news. Thats if they don't send you to guantanamo bay first where you've lost all your rights.........but i digress. Point is where they physically harming the deportee? no. where they abusing the deportee? no. So why all the fuss???? If it was so bad, where is the doggone deportee? this is his/her time to shine if she was being maltreated really, let them speak up. How about others on the plane? Where are they?

So I should sit in my house and boycott BA? sorry. level playing field for EVERYONE. BA deserves a little respect too, those flight attendants deserve a little respect, the pilot deserves a little respect. If two siblings are fighting and both are acting up, you slap them both on the wrists and tell them to both behave themselves. Really.

barbarellanoir · #58 (**permalink**) 05-04-2008, 01:22 AM

oops I tried to post a link...no luck

solatoks · #59 (**permalink**) 05-04-2008, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Funmibaby

how embarassing....no shame whatsoever.

"Given the level of disruption on board the plane as it was preparing to depart, it was not possible to pinpoint which passengers were the most involved. In addition, our crew was subjected to both verbal abuse and physical assault which, in the confined space of an aircraft, can be a particularly serious issue. "

they even got their Nigerian employee to make the statement. Just too sad abeg.

Yes o who best to send to the angry nigerians than a Nigerian himself? i can see the are surely playing their cards well

Field Marshal · #60 (**permalink**) 05-05-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by OlaMichael

@Funmibaby
Whilst I see your point and agree to an extent that Nigerians sometimes bring certain embarassing situations upon themselves, I must say that in this case, I do not and cannot agree with BA's treatment of Nigerians on the said flight.

BA and fly to other areas of the world and carry disruptive passengers their too. How many times have they flown rowdy passengers to/fro footbal venues in Europe etc? How many of those occasions have they cleared out the entire cabin saying "We could not determine who and who was involved"? And they were a threat to the flight? Would they even dare? Do you know what sort of lawsuits would follow?

U say we should be honest and look at our attitudes, I agree. It stinks at times. But so does a lot of people's attitudes on other routes. BA never treats them with disdain the way they do Nigerians. Okay forget about the incidence that happened on the 27th of March for a minute. Have you ever seen how hostesses and stewards on Nigerian routes talk to and/or respond to Nigerians even when they ask for things like orange juice and/or wine outside of meal times and compare that to the way they do it on other routes?

Once on a flight to HK, I witnessed a customer raise their voice at a steward for whatever reason. The best response from the steward to this customer was that of her face going red. Followed about 10mins later with an apology from her supervisor. By the same token, I have witnessed on a Nigerian flight, a hostess actually talking to a customer and saying "do not raise your voice at me" and then turning her back and walking away. Please let's be honest, we may be rude, we may lack proper attitude etc, all which I agree we need to tackle, but please, that does not give an airline the right to treat a particular people like dirt, on a route that is one of their best profitable routes, if not the best.

Please, BA will NEVER, and I repeat NEVER empty out a flight to/from any other part of the world even if all the passengers moaned and became disruptive. They will NEVER!!! And that they know very well. So why should they do it to us?

Please leave that attitude thing to the side, let's focus on business ethics and the value you place on your customers. BA was simply wrong.

Well written!!!!!!