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07-03-2008, 04:20 PM
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...Nna..as much as I agree with U to a certain point,I disagree with some of it.There are a lot of wealthy armed robbers......so they're not doing it out of 'poverty'.Shina Rambo was no pauper..he had his conglomerate of channels to funnel stolen vehicles out of Nigeria.Yes,some got into it out of poverty,but when they saw how lucrative it is,they chose never to go legit..kinda like doing 419.Besides,this is nothing new in Nigeria..the worst thing anyone can do to U in Nigeria is to scream "OLE!" on U and U're done...but in cases where there's a real thief/robber being apprehended,they all know going into the act what their fates would be.THat's why if U understand any Yoruba,one of the folks in that video was saying "Let them feel the pain too.."...imagine..that's because these robbers inflict so much pain on the public @ large.It never used to be like that...but then in the mid 70's that's when this whole jungle justic business started.For those of U saying this is barbaric,have U ever been stopped by armed robbers before?Please ask anyone who has...and ask what they think of this video..
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I do see what you are saying. I was not saying that it is the only reason.
All I was saying was that a combination of the vast economic disparity between social classes, coupled with the lack of police enforcement allows events like these to be more prevalent in countries like ours and less in countries where both the class disparity is less and the police and law enforcement more...
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07-03-2008, 04:46 PM
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God help us, I am shocked having seen human being burning!!!!
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07-03-2008, 07:22 PM
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I do see what you are saying. I was not saying that it is the only reason.
All I was saying was that a combination of the vast economic disparity between social classes, coupled with the lack of police enforcement allows events like these to be more prevalent in countries like ours and less in countries where both the class disparity is less and the police and law enforcement more...
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...true that...I think part of the reason people started taking matters into their own hands was an explosion of armed robbers back in the day with the NPF hopelessly hopeless...I heard that even the robbers had(and still have) better guns than the NPF(perhaps MW can interview a few 'im peeps' for Kirikiri for us  )so the public felt helpless from them...hence when one is caught..na skatta!First of all,as U pointed,advanced countries monitor and try to control their unemployment rate....in Naija..na yam?Ordinary census we no fit do am honestly(counting Livestock and streetbeggars from Chad to inflate the #s ) talkless of the # of jobless folks...many of those who've confronted armed robbers go tell U they're well spoken and educated...even try to 'explain' why dem dey do am so those they're robbing can 'understand'...  ...besides..in this country,people have the rights to bear arms......
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07-03-2008, 07:24 PM
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God help us, I am shocked having seen human being burning!!!!
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..U must be bota wey grow up for Ikoyi,VI or one of dem places wey when armed robber enter sef E go stand out like Medeen... 
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07-03-2008, 08:55 PM
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...true that...I think part of the reason people started taking matters into their own hands was an explosion of armed robbers back in the day with the NPF hopelessly hopeless...I heard that even the robbers had(and still have) better guns than the NPF(perhaps MW can interview a few 'im peeps' for Kirikiri for us  )so the public felt helpless from them...hence when one is caught..na skatta!First of all,as U pointed,advanced countries monitor and try to control their unemployment rate....in Naija..na yam?Ordinary census we no fit do am honestly(counting Livestock and streetbeggars from Chad to inflate the #s ) talkless of the # of jobless folks...many of those who've confronted armed robbers go tell U they're well spoken and educated...even try to 'explain' why dem dey do am so those they're robbing can 'understand'...  ...besides..in this country,people have the rights to bear arms......
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Very true!
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07-03-2008, 09:17 PM
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Talk about stupidity at its best!!!
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07-03-2008, 10:05 PM
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innit man, the few seconds I saw sent me into a state of shock for a while. Unimaginable that a human being will set fire to another and watch them burn...unfathomable! I can't get over it.
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07-04-2008, 03:27 AM
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Back in the 80s when I was growing up, I experienced a couple of times where robbers where dealt with this way, and heard of numerous other instances. At the time, and as young as I was, i felt it was a cruel way to deal with these folks even though I fully understood the crimes that these armed robbers have committed.
As I have grown up however, and with the way armed robbers themselves have terrorised innocent peoples' lives and the kind of unnecessary evil they mete out /perpetrate, I am not as quick to think that this method of punishment is that bad afterall especially in a country like Nigeria where the law enforcement are not ready (and even if they were ready) nor equipped to deal with these issues.
Is it barbaric? Yes. Is it entirely wrong, well in my opinion and given the context (location wise i.e. nigeria) of its occurence, I'll have to say, NO! Anyone who has experienced terror at the hands of these armed robbers or knows of anyone who has gone through the same will not be too quick to say burning them alive is not a deserved thing (as barbaric as it is). Even those of us who do not necessarily know anyone, we read these stories and we are angered at the way these armed robbers not just only rob you blind, they go the extra length to kill or maim. Entire households in Nigeria now keep money at home for fear that if the robber visits and we don't have anything, we're done for.
Sometime back on this board , we read about the lady who returned to Nigeria from the US with her family and how shortly after her arrival, she was attacked by armed robbers and killed. And the stories go on and on.
If you ask me, is it barbaric? Yes. Is it deserved, well so long as they were not wrongly accused, they knew what the deal was before they got into it. Let's not forget "he who lives by the sword, shall also die by the sword".
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07-04-2008, 03:44 AM
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I have been robbed before, here in America o, LAPD did not give a shit!! because my phone was also stolen I was able to trace the thieves myself, police did not budge, they were asking me for evidence, if this were naija and I gather some area boys, nobe say I go get those thieves flogged like they had no 2morrow?
I am divided on the issue of burning, but having been robbed before... it will serve as a deterrent for petty thieves and child kidnappers, after all, police no go do jack!! even if they are put in jail, they come out worse because no jobs, so they will go right back to their filth. the population is too much anyway.
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07-04-2008, 03:58 AM
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Folks,there is no disputing the fact that diaspora Nigerians in the 21st century would find jungle jusitice very gruesome and senseless.Facts that justify it with the peculiarities of the Nigerian society has been reiteriated by Pa J,OlaM and others but,it still doesn't make it right in the long run.
If Nigerians are begining to be confident of the Judiciary that,nullify elections and prosecute thiefing governors-which wouldn't have happened a few years back,they-Nigerians-especially in the diaspora would wonder why jungle justice is still prevalent.
However,there is another dimension to this league of arguements knowing that the most efficient aspect of the Nigerian police is their inefficiency.worst of all is the fact that instead of combating robbery,the Nigerian police indulge in it-some of the burnt folks were policemen and instead of fighting it,they actually provide the logistics for robbery when,they do not participate directly!!Essentially,the society got fed-up with a camotose police force and a judiciary that would create an escape/return to base for accussed robbers.
Another dimension to the arguement is that genuine and hard working policemen even became suspect of the judiciary.This is because it turned out to be that the court process became an escape route for arrested robbers that could pay their way out hence,policemen resorted to summary execution of robbers still in detention.This situation is also as brutal as the burning incidence we are discussing.
In all,there is no arguing the fact that most of this robbery cases are fuelled by a dysfunctional system where a country is most certainly unable to absorb her graduates and they keep pilling up yearly without a future.
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07-04-2008, 09:25 AM
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I have been robbed before, here in America o, LAPD did not give a shit!! because my phone was also stolen I was able to trace the thieves myself, police did not budge, they were asking me for evidence, if this were naija and I gather some area boys, nobe say I go get those thieves flogged like they had no 2morrow?
I am divided on the issue of burning, but having been robbed before... it will serve as a deterrent for petty thieves and child kidnappers, after all, police no go do jack!! even if they are put in jail, they come out worse because no jobs, so they will go right back to their filth. the population is too much anyway.
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...see dis wan..U wan give pesin Michellin Necklace because dem tief ya Motorola...  .....kidding but I feel U sha...even when something valuable of yours is stolen,without being physical robbed,U feel extremely violated.Back in the days I had this hooptie...beautiful 1981 Datsun 210...I buy am for $375 from one my friend im uncle....and..not to be outdone by the Camrys and Lexuses of this world,I load am wiff correct GBEDU!The moto may have been ugly but some beautiful music was pumping out of dat trunk...except for my neighbohood.As soon as I exit for beltway,I turn am down..but little did I know someone was even watching my moto.Long tory short,dem break into my car,smashed a window to get in,tore through the plastic and ripped the cassette player from the dashboard,pulled the amp out and swept the trunk clean of the 2 bass speaker..left my car in total disarray and wires exposed.....$800 worth of gburu-earned small luxury..gone..car totally violated..and a very horrible act of wickedness and disregard for my personal space...to be honest with U..to say I catch who do am that day..if I had a gun,I'd probably have shot'em without hesitation....@ least in those first two days.......U'd ask..."does someone deserve to die because of car stereo?"..maybe not...but....don't tell me how to react when I feel I've been brutally violated.....no matter within what context...
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07-04-2008, 09:35 AM
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Folks,there is no disputing the fact that diaspora Nigerians in the 21st century would find jungle jusitice very gruesome and senseless.Facts that justify it with the peculiarities of the Nigerian society has been reiteriated by Pa J,OlaM and others but,it still doesn't make it right in the long run.
If Nigerians are begining to be confident of the Judiciary that,nullify elections and prosecute thiefing governors-which wouldn't have happened a few years back,they-Nigerians-especially in the diaspora would wonder why jungle justice is still prevalent.
However,there is another dimension to this league of arguements knowing that the most efficient aspect of the Nigerian police is their inefficiency.worst of all is the fact that instead of combating robbery,the Nigerian police indulge in it-some of the burnt folks were policemen and instead of fighting it,they actually provide the logistics for robbery when,they do not participate directly!!Essentially,the society got fed-up with a camotose police force and a judiciary that would create an escape/return to base for accussed robbers.
Another dimension to the arguement is that genuine and hard working policemen even became suspect of the judiciary.This is because it turned out to be that the court process became an escape route for arrested robbers that could pay their way out hence,policemen resorted to summary execution of robbers still in detention.This situation is also as brutal as the burning incidence we are discussing.
In all,there is no arguing the fact that most of this robbery cases are fuelled by a dysfunctional system where a country is most certainly unable to absorb her graduates and they keep pilling up yearly without a future. 
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...dude..I hear U...it's not excuseable but fully understand jungle justice..even if passive...everyone knows the last place U ever wanna steal anything is in Nigeria,especially Lagos.I wrote a parody years ago about it..if U go Naija...and U buy cigarette,please do not assume the matches are free because picking a box up and turning your back(even after paying for a full pack of siga)could earn U a Michellin Necklace...the only time I'd sympathize with anyone in this predicament is if they were wrongly accused,other than that...robbers deserve to die like dogs.Do U know how many women have been given the HIV virus when these robbers chose to 'have a little fun' after stopping their buses and robbing everybody of their belongings?These people U're advocating for have no little for human life so why should the general public have regard for theirs?U're driving,they toss a rim into your path,U swerve,your car rolls over,U're stomach's getting pinned by the wheel,U're still strapped in by the seat belt,a stone crashes through your window,hits your head,U're blacking out,someone approaches,U think it's help,no,they drag U out,order U not to move,go through your pockets,search your moto,pick it clean...leave U for dead.......but thanks to an Okada operator a few hours later,your life is saved...tell me if U saw that robber burning U'd sympathize....for some people,the scenario above includes wife and children,sometimes newborn..abeg make I hear word.....Babaric koo,Mamaric ni.... 
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07-04-2008, 04:20 PM
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It is horrific but my best friend's father inlaw who lost his leg to gun fire from armed robbers in benin would probably cheer the mob on. My sister in Nigeria has to stay at work overnight even though her shift is usually over by 9pm. Warri is just too dangerous to even think of going home at that time of the night. She has two young kids that she has to leave with someone else when she is on call because she has to spend the night at work.
These armed robbers are simply terrorists and they can be ver ruthless and merciless in their attack of innocent citizens.
The sad part of this whole thing though is that we do not know if these people are indeed guilty of anything or if they snatched a purse or something and got this horrible thing done to them. I hope the man pouring the gasoline and the one beating the already burning person with a stick will go home and search their hearts.
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07-04-2008, 04:26 PM
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I think thst is absolutely cruel and gruesome, they could be dealth with without getting burnt.
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07-04-2008, 04:59 PM
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OMG! This is insane...their is no justification to burning another human being alive.
It's just inhuman.
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