I confess to not checking the link, and confine myself to the statement above, so if it be found that I be offline on the topic discussed, you will kindly, I hope, permit my ignorance. Let it be assumed that I was not there at the beginning of creation.

A Greek myth, as described in the book of same title by Robert Graves, there is a story about how women conceive. An ass has to lift up its hind legs to the wind from a certain direction in which case pregnancy occurs in the human being. Looking at it in these more modern times, it is rather comical to consider that they were not aware that sexual intercourse between a man and a woman nine months earlier was the sole reason her belly gets distended and a replica of the two of them emits from between her legs. If anything, this story indicates rather clearly, that at least, the Greeks of that period never knew how pregnancy occurred. There are other occasions of such ignorance in other societies so we needs not consider that the Greeks were the most ignorant of such things. Besides, for knowledge in reproduction in antiquity, the Greeks can claim to have been far ahead of their contemporaries, after all, some people believed that the holy spirit can accomplish the same thing - the impregnation of a foetus in the womb without the interjection of the man.

That no experimental, or historical knowledge exists as to which human could have existed first is of no surprise however, considering that it took quite a while for it to be realised that they even naked. It could be suggested though that perhaps there was no delineation in gender in the early period of civilization, especially in light of the lack of knowledge of how pregnancy came about. Of course i am not suggesting that there was no actual delineation, but that perhaps humans of the day were not conscious of them to the extent that we have become today.

If we were to take a plant that were to rely on its propagation through its being inseminated by an outside force like by a bee, or pollen from a supposed male plant. We could easily decide that in as much as the impregnator were absent, it is highly unlikely that the plant itself would exist, since upon its death, there would be no offspring to perpetuate its existence. Indeed we may assume that it propagates itself, and if it does, either does not need a male impregnator, or has its maleness wrapped up in itself, such that it could be referred to as being an hermaphrodite - a concept that has been suggested for the initial creation of Man as stated in Biblical texts. Be that as it may, it is not as if sufficient evidence exists for either to be the case as far as human beings, whom we know require both a male essence and that of the female to reproduce, is concerned.

I think we must be aware that these are speculations of merely about ten thousand years old. Indeed, the human existence goes much further back than that, but at no time during this periods has it been known for the human type animal to reproduce (unless we are to take the word of some as evidence of the utterly impossible and unrepeatable, at least to date.)

So which came first. Going by the Holy text, God did, after which he created the animals (though there is record that the angels were before them), and then came a being from Adam (which means earth, and may literally just mean 'upright standing' to differentiate them from those that crawl or walk on fours. ) This Adam was first known to be hermaphroditic in nature, but as specialization developed, the roles of the man were differentiated from that of the woman, which can be duly taken to be expressed by the idea of the woman being taken out of the man, an act that probably implied the desired notion of inequality of the genders which prevails today. The bottom line is that it did become known eventually that man will be the desire of the woman, since it was adduced that one of her roles was for the bearing offspring, and for such it can be claimed to have been written that her desire will be the man. (Personally, I would say that is how the man would write it, for to write it any other way is to allow competition from the woman, which in reality, can probably never be won by the man who is more a brute to his nature than the finer sensed female is to her's).

But as I began, I was not there, and really am not the wiser than to speculate.

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That's too much for you to ask. Who'll intentionally discredit and contraddict his beliefs?

Lol!I am beginning to love that book called,the bible.It has absolutely no love for religious dogmas.

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Na wa o....the power of the mind! The fragility of the brain to be so easily programmed! When will people wake up and see how farcical this thing called "religion" is? Like seriously though, how can anyone still believe the narratives of Genesis in the bible?

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The mav,that is what the bible itself is looking to do.It has been trying to jolt religious folks back to the "wake up" state of mind by bombarding them with absurdities,contradictions,ambiguities,and outright barbarism from the very first page to the last.
Do you know how many "folks of faith" get deconverted or deprogrammed by this book annually,once they finally got around to really read this book from cover to cover?You will be amazed.

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Or as Christ more adequately would do it, take some mud (absurdities, contradictions,ambiguities, and outright barbarism) is taken, spat on and rubbed in the eyes so that the eye may consider and become enlightened, instead of merely believing, blindly!

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Exactly,buda!
The bible employs what i call the "triangular method" to force people to think for themselves.
This i how it works;
I use an analogy here;
Teacher A has to teach small children who are just starting schooling for the very first time,arithmetic.
He tells them that 1+1= 3.The children note that down.Down the line,the teacher tells the children again that 1+1=5.
Now,child A who has a mind that is alive and buzzing will get confused first,and seeks to find out which one of the two is correct,since both cannot.
Whereas,child B with a lazy mind will shrug and pick one of the two and stick with it,without enquiring which one is correct.Having a complete trust in the teacher for knowing best,he will not enquire about the obvious contradictions in the two arithmetic equations,but rather just let it slide.
Now if child A goes to the teacher and demands a clarification for this contradiction,and teacher just shrugs and refuses to help him with the clarification in any way,child A,being a very inquisitive child,just won't take no for an answer and he will seek the answer by himself,either by working to resolve this obvious contradiction by himself,or by seeking a third opinion from another teacher(Teacher B),until he will finally arrive at the knowledge that 1+1=2.

Teacher A is the bible.
Child A is a child of reason(A scientist for example)
Child B is a child of faith(religious person)
Teacher B stands for scientific disciplines of all areas.
The 3 arithmetic equations stand for the contradictions that represent the 3 corners of the triangle.

So,this is the methodology that i believe the bible employs to nudge people to think for themselves.It offers two wrong informations that contradict themselves on the same issues,with the hope that the reader will have the initiative to undertake his own personal journey of truthfinding.

Simple,brilliant,and downright effective,if one gets to really read the bible,rather than cherrypick verses on it's pages.

A classic example of the application of this triangular methodoly,is this gender question.

The bible is probably the most misunderstood book in history of mankind as regards to it's purpose.I use to misunderstand it as well,but no more.I have great respect for that book now.

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Hey Mavy I believe !!

2 Timothy 3 (The Message)
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2 Timothy 3
Difficult Times Ahead
1-5Don't be naive. There are difficult times ahead. As the end approaches, people are going to be self-absorbed, money-hungry, self-promoting, stuck-up, profane, contemptuous of parents, crude, coarse, dog-eat-dog, unbending, slanderers, impulsively wild, savage, cynical, treacherous, ruthless, bloated windbags, addicted to lust, and allergic to God. They'll make a show of religion, but behind the scenes they're animals. Stay clear of these people.
6-9These are the kind of people who smooth-talk themselves into the homes of unstable and needy women and take advantage of them; women who, depressed by their sinfulness, take up with every new religious fad that calls itself "truth." They get exploited every time and never really learn. These men are like those old Egyptian frauds Jannes and Jambres, who challenged Moses. They were rejects from the faith, twisted in their thinking, defying truth itself. But nothing will come of these latest impostors. Everyone will see through them, just as people saw through that Egyptian hoax.


Keep the Message Alive
10-13You've been a good apprentice to me, a part of my teaching, my manner of life, direction, faith, steadiness, love, patience, troubles, sufferings—suffering along with me in all the grief I had to put up with in Antioch, Iconium, and Lystra. And you also well know that God rescued me! Anyone who wants to live all out for Christ is in for a lot of trouble; there's no getting around it. Unscrupulous con men will continue to exploit the faith. They're as deceived as the people they lead astray. As long as they are out there, things can only get worse.
14-17But don't let it faze you. Stick with what you learned and believed, sure of the integrity of your teachers—why, you took in the sacred Scriptures with your mother's milk! There's nothing like the written Word of God for showing you the way to salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. Every part of Scripture is God-breathed and useful one way or another—showing us truth, exposing our rebellion, correcting our mistakes, training us to live God's way. Through the Word we are put together and shaped up for the tasks God has for us.

Ob, I'm not suggesting that you shouldn't believe, however, what led you to believe? Because it certainly can't be the bible solely. There must have been some soul searching within your being, in addition to several varying external factors. But if you want to sit here and tell me that you believe every single word in the bible factually, and you have good tangible(not the old "faith" argument) reasons to believe and you can explain it...then I might have some simple logical questions for you. (See Vince's narrative above, I must admit that I've never seen it put that way, but very clever and intuitive indeed.

@ Vince, the analogy is spot on at least from someone with a discerning opinion's view. However, I must say that it seems more of a personal approach than the actual intent of the authors of the bible and the myraid of preachers who purport that it's contents are factual accounts and should be be swallowed hook line and sinker. This is the best argument I've heard for the bible in my entire life. You should shared this with more people, they might actually find a little more meaning from the great book.

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Ob, how long have you been a christian...are you "born again?" If so, when did you become born again? When did you start believing?

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