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Pay Tithe Or Save A Life
Your Monthly Bills Has Been Taking Care Of, You Have Only Your Tithe Left To Be Paid On Sunday, But You Got A Call That A Relative Is Sick And In Need Of The Same Amount Of Money As Your Tithe So He/she Will Be Saved , Will You Let Your Relative Die ?since You Have To Obey God First, What Do You Do In This Case
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07-07-2008, 09:21 PM
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Don't ye know that thou surest should pay thy tithe first?
I mean, thats what I was preached to. Tithe first.
But in your situation, you save your family... Its not as if God is going to strike you dead for taking of your family which are also his own people.
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07-07-2008, 09:27 PM
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I actually this thread will say, Either Pay tithe or Save a life by preaching to the lost souls on the street.
Church fundamentals scares me these days. Church lays more emphasis on tithes than asking the members to win souls for God. And paying tithes has more emphasis than making sure the tithes payers remain righteous for heaven.
Dear brethren, just work out your own salvation in fear and trembling.. Phil 2:12.
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07-08-2008, 01:57 AM
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Simply borrow money and save your relative, just don't mess with your tithe o!
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07-08-2008, 05:28 AM
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Option 3 - Talk to the Holy Spirit...cos 'When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come'.
God still speaks. I believe above and beyond the tithing debate is the need to be fully persuaded within your spirit. Crystalgirl may be required to use her tithes for her sick relative, Rudeboy on the other hand may be called upon to pay his tithes and watch God divinely provide. There isn't one answer to these things IMHO.
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07-08-2008, 06:48 AM
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thats a tough one
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07-08-2008, 08:22 AM
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IMO, Jesus dissed the religious leaders because they neglected taking care of their relatives under the pretext that their money was a gift to be given God (Mark 7 verses 9-13) - NIV, I quote:
"And he (Jesus) said to them: "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' 11 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban' (that is, a gift devoted to God), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that."
Levites and priests had only one duty - to serve in the house of God. In the story of the good samaritan (Luke 10 verses 25-37), the Levite and the priest didn't wait to help the wounded and bible commentators suggest it might be because they would've been ceremonially unclean (the man was left as dead) OR they would've been late to the temple. Christ condemned the levite and the priest in the parable of the good samaritan because they hurried away and didn't want to be unclean or probably didn't want to be late for their service to God.
The priest and the levite didn't sin by wanting to get to the temple on time or not wanting to be ceremonially unclean, afterall, it was God's instruction that anyone who touches the dead is unclean. But Christ still wasn't happy with their actions.
What I am driving at is this. We cannot do things that are like tradition and neglect saving a life. You cannot neglect this person that's almost dead and give your tithe to the Church because it's God's instruction. Yes, it is God's instruction but the same God said to love your neighbour as yourself. There are many other tithes that will come in that day and so anything that may be done with your tithe can wait. This person's life is a lot more important to God than building a new church building or buying a new keyboard for the church. In fact, I dear say that giving your tithe to help this person might bring them into a relationship with God or draw them to a higher level of love for God and could be regarded as another way of paying your tithe to God because it was very necessary.
On the other hand, you should try your possible best to find an alternative, after which of course you would give your tithe. And of course, the Holy Spirit is the first port of call in situations like this.
This is how I would handle such a situation. And next month, I'm back in Church with my tithe. Depending on how the Spirit of God leads me, I'll give my tithe for this month next time I have the money.
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I am very sorry to say this,but this is a rather silly question that only religious folks can even contemplate.Sorry if i sound a bit harsh.I mean,to a compassionate and empathetic human being there is zero dilemma here,an absolute no brainer.
Who is sick here and need urgent medical attention,the relative or god?What is the point of worshipping a god that does not even understand a situation like this,and the need for this sick relative to be taken care of first?It is unbelievable the way folks dumbs down this abstract entity we call GOD.If this divine deity is ALL LOVING,all benevolent and all understanding,then where is the dilemma here?
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Your Monthly Bills Has Been Taking Care Of, You Have Only Your Tithe Left To Be Payed On Sunday, But You Got A Call That A Relative Is Sick And In Need Of The Same Amount Of Money As Your Tithe So He/she Will Be Saved , Will You Let Your Relative Die ?since You Have To Obey God First, What Do You Do In This Case
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We are seeing a reverse role between the Church and the world.
Before now,it was the mission of the church to change the world but today,the world is fast changing the church.
Wisdom that is heavenly ordained would not submit you to confusion if confronted with choices like this.I would pay tithe first.
Any mind,that would think twice about paying tithe first,already has issues with the tithe thingy proir to the instance above.If you are comfortable with tithing,it would not be the tithe money that would be the other alternative to helping a dieing relation.Check well,and you would see someother thing to substitute with instead of the tithe money.
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Okay, if I'm not mistaken I'm under the knowledge that you pay just 10% of your gross income for Tithes and so you are left with 90% of your income. In other words you should still have more than enough to save a life with the remaining money you have.
One shouldn't hinder the other. Infact one would receive double the blessings from God for doing both.
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The Bible/God/Jesus did not and cannot pose a question of this nature.
The essence of true Christianity is to show love to humanity (not only to Christians or your relatives.) God does not value your tithe as much as he value your kindheartedness to fellow human beings in need.
The scripture said in Matth. 25:35-40
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat:
I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink:
I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me:
I was sick, and ye visited me:
I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying,
Lord, when saw we thee an hungerd, and fed thee?
or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in?
or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison,
and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them,
Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it
unto one of the least of these my brethren,
ye have done it unto me.
And Mark 12: 28-34
28 ..............Which is the first commandment of all?
29 And Jesus answered him,
The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel;
The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind,
and with all thy strength:
this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
There is none other commandment greater than these.
32 And the scribe said unto him,
Well, Master, thou hast said the truth:
for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
33 And to love him with all the heart,
and with all the understanding,
and with all the soul, and with all the strength,
and to love his neighbour as himself,
is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly,
he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God.
And no man after that durst ask him any question.
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07-08-2008, 09:41 AM
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Okay, if I'm not mistaken I'm under the knowledge that you pay just 10% of your gross income for Tithes and so you are left with 90% of your income. In other words you should still have more than enough to save a life with the remaining money you have.
One shouldn't hinder the other. Infact one would receive double the blessings from God for doing both.
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I think we're supposed to assume that the person in question here has nothing else in terms of cash apart from their tithe.
This post provoked another thought in me. I was actually brought up such that my tithe is the first of monies that I withdraw from my wages/salary, after that is taken care of, then, other things can follow. So it does not follow that I would've paid all my bills before I pay my tithe. Especially if there are some bills that are not paid by direct debit.
My point is that your tithe should be the first thing you pay after you get paid.
On the other hand, if we have a practical and living relationship with God, it is not without His power to disallow such unforseen expenditures to come our way as to allow us to be in a state of confusion in obedience to Him.
PS: (Romans 1 verse 28) "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: " (2nd Thessalonians 2:10-11)
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07-08-2008, 10:04 AM
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i will save my relative first, the tithe can be paid later. God understands such things, God is not that wicked and will punish you just because you used your tithe money to save a dying person, a person who is God's creation and He loves the person. There are many other churches that don't pay tithe but God blesses people in those churches all the same. God will not come from heaven to help the dying, the sick, the disadvantaged, He depends on His children to do such things. Like someone else said, other tithes will be paid on that day, so minus yours will not be a big deal, just be obedient to pay it later. I have forgotten the book, but i remember reading Jesus healing on the Sabbath, and he was questioned why he did so. should he refuse to heal on the sabbath just because no work or such should be done on the sabbath? if it is within my power to use my tithe to help a needy person i will do that. ask yourself which is pleasing to the Lord? Saving someone on the point of death with your tithe money or refusing to do so because you have to go and pay your tithe? I remember i prepared my tithe waiting for the coming sunday to go and pay, then from nowhere a friend came pleading with me that her mum is sick and she needs money to take her to the hospital. apart from my tithe i did not have any other money, without thinking i grabbed my tithe, went along with my friend, took her mum to the hospital and she was treated and admitted with my tithe money. she was later well and discharged. can you imagine the happiness i felt within me for saving a soul, a creation of God. the feeling was so sweet and contented. the circumstances for parting with your tithe should be looked at carefully, if it is for a worthy cause like helping someone in genuine need, then why not? but if it is for partying or something trivial, then NO!!!!
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I don't PAY tithes because God isn't selling any goods! I simply give as the Spirit leads!
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