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Angelsty · #1 (**permalink**) 08-13-2008, 03:16 PM

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Leviticus 19:19 'You shall keep My statutes. You shall not let your livestock breed with another kind. You shall not sow your field with mixed seed. Nor shall a garment of mixed linen and wool come upon you.

I just saw this during my devotional this afternoon. I never knew its in the bible...

so, how does this related to present day trend, especially of all those funny little dogs they breed this days in the name of fashion. Does cloning apply here?

Am hungry for knowledge, please explain, let's talk.

Hubscrown · #2 (**permalink**) 08-13-2008, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Angelsty

I just saw this during my devotional this afternoon. I never knew its in the bible...

so, how does this related to present day trend, especially of all those funny little dogs they breed this days in the name of fashion. Does cloning apply here?

Am hungry for knowledge, please explain, let's talk.

And what about if we start with your mixed linen and wool designs..

You will be surprised how many stuff you will come across under those Leviticus Law. If not for God's grace, if you plan keeping those laws, there will be almost nobody left in this generation to follow God.

This is a very broad topic and it could be controversial at times. But the truth is, you have been set free through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. I can not explain it to you directly, you may have to read first, let me know what you understand by it and I can explain further.

1 Timothy 1:8-11.
8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers--and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me (and you).

BY THE WAY DO YOU EVER UNDERSTAND THIS PASSAGE BELOW? You might need to study Romans 6,7 & 8. This is part of Romans 8 here.

1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.

For further knowledge.
And Romans 6
14 For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. 15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

Multioption · #3 (**permalink**) 08-13-2008, 04:43 PM

Hubscrown:

The book of Romans highlight the history of sin, how it became a principle/law, its attendant effects (humans' inability to please/worship/serve God), and God's salvation plan for man - forgiveness of sins and deliverance from the law of sin and death). The Mosaic law that forbids cross breeding, however, is a stand alone law that has no bearing to the power that sinful nature exerts on man.

Cross breeding is gross; it's playing God.

Hubscrown · #4 (**permalink**) 08-13-2008, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Multioption

Hubscrown:

The book of Romans highlight the history of sin, how it became a principle/law, its attendant effects (humans' inability to please/worship/serve God), and God's salvation plan for man - forgiveness of sins and deliverance from the law of sin and death). The Mosaic law that forbids cross breeding, however, is a stand alone law that has no bearing to the power that sinful nature exerts on man.

Cross breeding is gross; it's playing God.

Like I said this is a broad topic.

This is where the story of Cornelius in Acts 10 comes in. And many more examples I will give you later. I shall be back.

And I wonder what is your understanding of Dominion is, when God said he has given man Dominion over the fish of the seas, animals and everything he has created.

Playing God is the rightful duty of everyman given to us by God himself. But the only thing is for us not to say we are equal with God. Which Jesus didn't do, Jesus was like God (in nature) but not see it as advantage to be Equal with God the Father. Even despite of the fact that Jesus himself was called The everlasting Father in Isaiah 9:6.

Multioption · #5 (**permalink**) 08-13-2008, 05:45 PM

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Like I said this is a broad topic.

This is where the story of Cornelius in Acts 10 comes in. And many more examples I will give you later. I shall be back.

And I wonder what is your understanding of Dominion is, when God said he has given man Dominion over the fish of the seas, animals and everything he has created.

Playing God is the rightful duty of everyman given to us by God himself. But the only thing is for us not to say we are equal with God. Which Jesus didn't do, Jesus was like God (in nature) but not see it as advantage to be Equal with God the Father. Even despite of the fact that Jesus himself was called The everlasting Father in Isaiah 9:6.

I catch your drift. God gave the Israelites all sorts of commandments, instructions and warnings. But what we often overlook is that while Jesus fulfilled vital aspects of the commandments handed down to the Israelites there are yet instructions and warnings that fall outside the covering of His death and resurrection. I should also state that the major difference between the accomplished work of Christ and obeying the ceremonial laws, which include cleansing, atonement and peace offerings, is that the latter could only make man to be at peace with God, obeying the law cannot make man eschew sin; whereas we are justified by His (Christ) death, and empowered by His resurrection because He lives in us. He died for us, and He was raised from the dead so that He may live (dwell) in us. If Christ did not resurrect, it'd be impossible for Christians to live holy (as unto the Lord).

The comment above is stated to establish that the Israelites were not only forbidden to stay away from certain foods/impropriety because they constitute sins unto God, but also to guide them from jeopardy.

Granted that man was saddle with the enormous task of dominating not only the animals, but also the entire planet earth including the non-visible entities therein; the scope of our dominion, however, does not extend to cross-breeding.

Every living thing created by God must give birth to its/his kind, hence God's decision to destroy the Anakims, Amalekites, et al who were descendants of the Nephilims. The union of angels (spirit beings) and humans produced the Nephilims (Genesis 6). God created humans who are required to give birth to their kind; but who were the Nephilims? They were products of cross-breeding.

TheForce · #6 (**permalink**) 08-13-2008, 05:54 PM

The Jews just came out of 430 years of slavery. No culture, no tradition and no leaders (though Moses was made a leader unto them) but they have never been under any leadership but Egyptians who were nothing but slave masters.
Therefore God sees them as a lawless people who cannot understand the law of God, or His instructions that is not handed out by force (which they were used to as a result of slavery)
God had to bring out these laws to help School them, therefore helping in building a foundation for the kind of law that God intended for them. - The law of love.
Without the former, the later would have been unachievable.

This is my own personal view, not that I have any bible verse to support it. But in any case, man intention in paramount on God's mind when he judges our errors.

Hubscrown · #7 (**permalink**) 08-14-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheForce

The Jews just came out of 430 years of slavery. No culture, no tradition and no leaders (though Moses was made a leader unto them) but they have never been under any leadership but Egyptians who were nothing but slave masters.
Therefore God sees them as a lawless people who cannot understand the law of God, or His instructions that is not handed out by force (which they were used to as a result of slavery)
God had to bring out these laws to help School them, therefore helping in building a foundation for the kind of law that God intended for them. - The law of love.
Without the former, the later would have been unachievable.

This is my own personal view, not that I have any bible verse to support it. But in any case, man intention in paramount on God's mind when he judges our errors.

Good explanation.

Hubscrown · #8 (**permalink**) 08-14-2008, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Multioption

I catch your drift. God gave the Israelites all sorts of commandments, instructions and warnings. But what we often overlook is that while Jesus fulfilled vital aspects of the commandments handed down to the Israelites there are yet instructions and warnings that fall outside the covering of His death and resurrection. I should also state that the major difference between the accomplished work of Christ and obeying the ceremonial laws, which include cleansing, atonement and peace offerings, is that the latter could only make man to be at peace with God, obeying the law cannot make man eschew sin; whereas we are justified by His (Christ) death, and empowered by His resurrection because He lives in us. He died for us, and He was raised from the dead so that He may live (dwell) in us. If Christ did not resurrect, it'd be impossible for Christians to live holy (as unto the Lord).

The comment above is stated to establish that the Israelites were not only forbidden to stay away from certain foods/impropriety because they constitute sins unto God, but also to guide them from jeopardy.

Granted that man was saddle with the enormous task of dominating not only the animals, but also the entire planet earth including the non-visible entities therein; the scope of our dominion, however, does not extend to cross-breeding.

Every living thing created by God must give birth to its/his kind, hence God's decision to destroy the Anakims, Amalekites, et al who were descendants of the Nephilims. The union of angels (spirit beings) and humans produced the Nephilims (Genesis 6). God created humans who are required to give birth to their kind; but who were the Nephilims? They were products of cross-breeding.

Aren't we humans actually cross breeding ourselves by African man marrying Asian woman or Caucasian girl with Middle East man. Is Cross Pollination, grafting, budding, of plants not cross breeding?
Will you not say Heart transplant or Blood transfusion not cross breeding?

The animals are already cross breeding themselves even without human involvement.

Nephilims were called Sons of God in the Scripture, I guess that was human interpretation because these Spirit beings were actually sons of God, why would God hate their product or offspring.
The situation was out of reference to God himself.

One thing that Jesus did that shows that he did not equate himself to God in the same level is that.. Anytime he wanted to do miracle he does gives thank to God. Like 5 loaves of breads and 2 fishes. He raised the food to sky and bless the name of the Lord.

Everything we do has to glorify the existence of God.

Multioption · #9 (**permalink**) 08-15-2008, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Hubscrown

Aren't we humans actually cross breeding ourselves by African man marrying Asian woman or Caucasian girl with Middle East man.

Interracial marriage is different from cross-breeding. I was thinking you would reference God's instruction that forbade the Israelites not to marry from other race, which is a different ball game.

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Originally Posted by Hubscrown

Is Cross Pollination, grafting, budding, of plants not cross breeding?

Will you not say Heart transplant or Blood transfusion not cross breeding?

No, they are not!

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The animals are already cross breeding themselves even without human involvement.

How so, Hubscrown; any reference? The natural order of life is that living things should procreate after their kind. And if indeed animals cross-breed without man's involvement, I really think Matthew 13 would come to play in that case.

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Nephilims were called Sons of God in the Scripture, I guess that was human interpretation because these Spirit beings were actually sons of God, why would God hate their product or offspring.

Many antagonist of the Christian faith have asked, and still wondering, why God, whom Christians claim to be all loving, ordered the massacre of the Amalekites, Anakims, et al, with special attention given to the infants and the "hapless" - A careful studying of their origin points unambiguously to the union of "sons of God" and humans. God would not have them inhabit the earth.

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The situation was out of reference to God himself.

One thing that Jesus did that shows that he did not equate himself to God in the same level is that.. Anytime he wanted to do miracle he does gives thank to God. Like 5 loaves of breads and 2 fishes. He raised the food to sky and bless the name of the Lord.

Everything we do has to glorify the existence of God.

Cross breeding is playing God.

Hubscrown · #10 (**permalink**) 08-15-2008, 11:40 AM

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Interracial marriage is different from cross-breeding. I was thinking you would reference God's instruction that forbade the Israelites not to marry from other race, which is a different ball game.

No, they are not!

How so, Hubscrown; any reference? The natural order of life is that living things should procreate after their kind. And if indeed animals cross-breed without man's involvement, I really think Matthew 13 would come to play in that case.

Many antagonist of the Christian faith have asked, and still wondering, why God, whom Christians claim to be all loving, ordered the massacre of the Amalekites, Anakims, et al, with special attention given to the infants and the "hapless" - A careful studying of their origin points unambiguously to the union of "sons of God" and humans. God would not have them inhabit the earth.

Cross breeding is playing God.

Ok, Didn't the flood happen after God notice these so called Nephilism and we were told only Noah's family escaped. Are you saying these sons of God kept coming back (after flood) to procreate with humans again, defeating one of the primary reasons why there was flood?

And I think we dealing with two situation here.. what do you mean by playing God.. Because there is no sin in playing God. We were created as a replicate of God. I have every audacity to be like God BUT not with intent to take his Fatherly position. No human can even take the position of God because He is omnipresent and a Spirit. I am human.

I could bold tell you that interracial marriage is cross-breeding.. What else could it be, if not cross breeding.

1. You try to make acting like God a sin. I'm a son of my father and therefore, I must act like him, through Dominion, Power and Authority he has given me!
2. You make cross breeding sinful now as well, because of Leviticus laws which are now obsolete.

Animal Cross breeding is nothing, as long as you didn't create a monster in the process.

Even as a believer, I don't see any reason for animal cross breeding unless its meant for curing certain human diseases.

TheForce · #11 (**permalink**) 08-15-2008, 12:07 PM

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I could bold tell you that interracial marriage is cross-breeding.. What else could it be, if not cross breeding.

Sorry to disagree here friend, having offspring from interracial marriage can never be referred to as cross breeding, as it still happens within the same human specie.
Otherwise we will be calling offspring from a white goat and black goat crossbred.

Hubscrown · #12 (**permalink**) 08-15-2008, 01:02 PM

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Sorry to disagree here friend, having offspring from interracial marriage can never be referred to as cross breeding, as it still happens within the same human specie.
Otherwise we will be calling offspring from a white goat and black goat crossbred.

These is what dictionary said about crossbreeding.

Crossbreeding definition
Noun
1. (genetics) The act of mixing different species or varieties of animals or plants and thus to produce hybrids [syn: hybridization]
2. Reproduction by parents of different races (especially by white and non-white persons) [syn: miscegenation]

TheForce · #13 (**permalink**) 08-15-2008, 01:40 PM

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These is what dictionary said about crossbreeding.

Crossbreeding definition
Noun
1. (genetics) The act of mixing different species or varieties of animals or plants and thus to produce hybrids [syn: hybridization]
2. Reproduction by parents of different races (especially by white and non-white persons) [syn: miscegenation]

Sorry definition nº 2 had to be disproved, that is taking the meaning too far.
I can see some game in that definition. (especially by white and non-white persons?) are they kidding me? why not "especially among blacks and non-black persons?

If they are from the same animal specie, it shouldn't be cross breeding.

What actually differentiate the human race? if they are going to hold tight to that philosophy, I hope they agree the white race is the less inferior.

vince · #14 (**permalink**) 08-15-2008, 01:46 PM

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What actually differentiate the human race? if they are going to hold tight to that philosophy, I hope they agree the white race is the less inferior.

The jewish god was very particular about maintaining a "pure" breed of a particular human race,namely the jews,according to the bible.
What is yahweh saying there?That non jews are inferior races?
A good thing you brought this point up.

Hubscrown · #15 (**permalink**) 08-15-2008, 01:51 PM

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Sorry definition nº 2 had to be disproved, that is taking the meaning too far.
I can see some game in that definition. (especially by white and non-white persons?) are they kidding me? why not "especially among blacks and non-black persons?

If they are from the same animal specie, it shouldn't be cross breeding.

What actually differentiate the human race? if they are going to hold tight to that philosophy, I hope they agree the white race is the less inferior.

Crossbreeding is a English word by White people. You just have to take their words for it.

Apart from using white and non white as an example. The fact is crossbreeding involves race, specie or varieties of animals and plants.

People always cross breed plants, especially flowers and fruits.

We can't just go by saying, crossbreeding in plant is ok but its not okay within animals or humans. Is either wrong in general or accepted generally. I see nothing wrong in crossbreeding. Even though its not something that God has called me to do.