Thread: Weekend Catechism - Sunday School Lesson

Originally Posted by vince

His Majesty, Jesus ain't coming back. And kwame is right. Inner realization with higher consciousness that the kingdom of heaven/God is within each individual is what will come and not a hippie looking whiteman jew called Jesus.
He ain't coming back, and you can take that to the bank and church. Not that you will be able recognize him for the real thing if someone is presented to the world as this Jesus, anyway, since nobody knows how this Jesus really looked like.

Well Vincie dude, when my Lord and Saviour, Redeemer, Author and Perfecter of my Faith, The Son of God, The Lord Jesus Christ returns what will you say ?

I will ask something like, "How do you know that it is him and not some fake avatar put before you?" It is a fair question, no? Anybody can be presented to the waiting religious public as Jesus the redeemer, anybody, and they will lap him up.

Originally Posted by Gen Sani Abacha

Well Vincie dude, when my Lord and Saviour, Redeemer, Author and Perfecter of my Faith, The Son of God, The Lord Jesus Christ returns what will you say ?

I think that you guys are setting yourselves up to be defrauded yet again. One would think that you guys have had enough of theological deception, but you just want more and more lies and frauds... and you will keep on getting them in the truckloads, definitely.

Originally Posted by vince

I will ask something like, "How do you know that it is him and not some fake avatar put before you?" It is a fair question, no? Anybody can be presented to the waiting religious public as Jesus the redeemer, anybody, and they will lap him up. I think that you guys are setting yourselves up to be defrauded yet again. One would think that you guys have had enough of theological deception, but you just want more and more lies and frauds... and you will keep on getting them in the truckloads, definitely.

Haven't you heard about the rapture ? Being caught up in the air with him ie 1 Thessalonians 4:17 ? Well, if you don't believe, you don't believe. Following the way of Jesus Christ is no fraud. Those who know the WORD and have the SPIRIT will not be deceived.

Following the way of Jesus is not fraud. I agree with you on that. But, what you have not been told by the church, is that "the way of Jesus" died off after he left the scene a couple of thousands of years ago. What you have now, is "The way of the CHURCH/CLERGY".That is what you have been made to believe in, and it is a huge huge FRAUD. It is like 180° different from the original way of Jesus which never reached us here in Africa. That "WORD" is that of the CHURCH/CLERGY.

I am sorry but i have to tell you this, mein herr obergeneral, the christian way has nothing to do with Jesus and what he taught. It is the church way, and it is there for all to see. Jesus is not coming back. What is coming back at you all is the same church backed deception of the masses with 21st century technology. And the masses will lap it up. The rapture? 21st century technology will take care of that.

Originally Posted by Gen Sani Abacha

Following the way of Jesus Christ is no fraud. Those who know the WORD and have the SPIRIT will not be deceived.

Originally Posted by vince

Following the way of Jesus is not fraud. I agree with you on that. But, what you have not been told by the church, is that "the way of Jesus" died off after he left the scene a couple of thousands of years ago. What you have now, is "The way of the CHURCH/CLERGY".That is what you have been made to believe in, and it is a huge huge FRAUD. It is like 180° different from the original way of Jesus which never reached us here in Africa. That "WORD" is that of the CHURCH/CLERGY.

I am sorry but i have to tell you this, mein herr obergeneral, the christian way has nothing to do with Jesus and what he taught. It is the church way, and it is there for all to see. Jesus is not coming back. What is coming back at you all is the same church backed deception of the masses with 21st century technology. And the masses will lap it up. The rapture? 21st century technology will take care of that.

Mein ubermoderator, we'll have to agree to disagree. I'll continue believing and living as Jesus taught...believing on him as the Son Of God...The Way...The Truth and The Light...Only through HIM can we get to the FATHER....You are also free to believe and do as you please... JESUS IS COMING BACK YALL!!! REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS NEAR!!!

Originally Posted by vince

His Majesty, Jesus ain't coming back. And kwame is right. Inner realization with higher consciousness that the kingdom of heaven/God is within each individual is what will come and not a hippie looking whiteman jew called Jesus.
He ain't coming back, and you can take that to the bank and church. Not that you will be able recognize him for the real thing if someone is presented to the world as this Jesus, anyway, since nobody knows how this Jesus really looked like.

Oga Vince, here are the facts. neither one of us can proof definitively whether Jesus Christ rose from the dead and whether He's coming back again. However, here's the other FACT: Jesus Christ did not exist in a vacuum. So there were eye witnesses who can testify to His claims....they were there and saw Him rose from the death. Hence, the apostle Peter testified:

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 2 Peter 1:16.

Now, ask yourself this pertinent question, if Jesus didn't rose from the dead, why would the apostles give their lives for something they know to be false? Practically all of them were murdered for proclaiming/defending the faith.
Now, were they defending what they knew to be false???

Originally Posted by Gen Sani Abacha

Mein ubermoderator, we'll have to agree to disagree. I'll continue believing and living as Jesus taught...believing on him as the Son Of God...The Way...The Truth and The Light...Only through HIM can we get to the FATHER....You are also free to believe and do as you please... JESUS IS COMING BACK YALL!!! REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS NEAR!!!

Originally Posted by Gen Sani Abacha

Mein ubermoderator, we'll have to agree to disagree. I'll continue believing and living as Jesus taught...believing on him as the Son Of God...The Way...The Truth and The Light...Only through HIM can we get to the FATHER....You are also free to believe and do as you please... JESUS IS COMING BACK YALL!!! REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS NEAR!!!

A message that is RARELY preached these days!!! it's like some preachers think that if they mention HELL too much to their congregation to make them uncomfortable, they will leave their churches....hence less offerings in the coffers....some actually allow their members live in sinful ways.....it is sad!
many have lost the fear of hell. But it is real, and believe me, the thought of going through all these hassles here and then, facing some hot coals and eternal fire sure is NOT funny!!!

but, this is what the whole Good News is all about! Preaching that Christ is coming again! On a day and manner no one knows.......

And you are yet to explain how you will be able to discern the real Jesus from a fake one when a finally "returned" Jesus is presented to you and the rest of the waiting public, majesty. How would you protect yourself from deception since you want this return of Jesus so much and you don't have a clue how he looks like.
Moreover, everything you presented as "facts" are nothing more than imported hearsays. There is nothing factual about them. That is why you were required to accept them through faith.

Originally Posted by His Majesty

Oga Vince, here are the facts. neither one of us can proof definitively whether Jesus Christ rose from the dead and whether He's coming back again. However, here's the other FACT: Jesus Christ did not exist in a vacuum. So there were eye witnesses who can testify to His claims....they were there and saw Him rose from the death. Hence, the apostle Peter testified:

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 2 Peter 1:16.

Now, ask yourself this pertinent question, if Jesus didn't rose from the dead, why would the apostles give their lives for something they know to be false? Practically all of them were murdered for proclaiming/defending the faith.
Now, were they defending what they knew to be false???

When Jesus returns, HIS followers WILL KNOW!!
Afterall, when he came before, in spite of the disbelief then and even the persecutions, he had followers, disciples and EVEN THOSE WHO DIED FOR THE SAKE OF HIS WORDS!
When HE returns, EVERYONE WILL know! Even those that have died already!!
Remember HE is not coming as a poor baby in a manger, nor a sandalless carpenter! HE IS COMING AS A KING!!! No! A KING of KINGS! And seriously, who wouldn't know when a King makes an entrance? Moreso, one that comes from the heavens! Haba! Even hollywood stunt action sef, and no yeye technology can create the kind of Fx that it would be!

Then again, one thing God gave all men in the Garden of Eden ala Adam and Eve is THE CHOICE to Believe Or not believe, to listen to God's words or not to listen, to obe or not to obey....the consequences?.....you guess!

No, they won't, because they don't know who he really was. They will end up accepting whoever is presented to them by the worldly powers that be as the real deal.
The image of Jesus that you think you are following was given you by the worldly powers that be, and you accepted it as the gospel truth. They will present you the return of Jesus and you will accept it as the gospel truth, yet again. You wanna bet?
These guys know how to push your button like the back of their hands. Heck, they've been doing it for millenia.

Originally Posted by ssergit

When Jesus returns, HIS followers WILL KNOW!!

Hearsays. You were told that by the worldly powers that be via a book called, the bible, which was put together by the same powers that be.

Originally Posted by ssergit

Afterall, when he came before, in spite of the disbelief then and even the persecutions, he had followers, disciples and EVEN THOSE WHO DIED FOR THE SAKE OF HIS WORDS!

Not everyone. Only those who have falling for the deception before will fall for it the second time.

Originally Posted by ssergit

When HE returns, EVERYONE WILL know! Even those that have died already!!

Wow! That is even going to make it a lot easier to deceive the faithfuls. A king, eh? Anybody can be garbed as a king of kings and presented to the waiting public, ssergit. It is called mass deception.

Originally Posted by ssergit

Remember HE is not coming as a poor baby in a manger, nor a sandalless carpenter! HE IS COMING AS A KING!!! No! A KING of KINGS! And seriously, who wouldn't know when a King makes an entrance? Moreso, one that comes from the heavens! Haba! Even hollywood stunt action sef, and no yeye technology can create the kind of Fx that it would be!

Ssergit, your weakness is that you are waiting for a physical being, a MAN, to appear as Jesus the redeemer. That is the Achilles heel of most christians that opens you all up to all kinds of very highly sophisticated mass deception methods. And you will get it. But the ones who are in the know will see through the deception.

Originally Posted by His Majesty

How now o'l boy ? Long time. Abeg, helep me greet madam and junior...

Originally Posted by vince

And you are yet to explain how you will be able to discern the real Jesus from a fake one when a finally "returned" Jesus is presented to you and the rest of the waiting public, majesty. How would you protect yourself from deception since you want this return of Jesus so much and you don't have a clue how he looks like.

You do have a point, that many false Christs would arise as the Second Coming of Jesus draws near. However, the easiest way to avoid deception is to avail yourself of the truth. If you know the REAL money, then it would be very easy to pinpoint FAKE money.
Secondly, the Spirit of God in me is a Discerning Spirit. Hence, in these last days, we have to rely on only two things:
1. The Word of God
2. The Holy Spirit of God.

Do you ever wonder how an unborn baby in the womb (John the Baptist) could recognize another unborn baby in the womb (the Lord Jesus Christ), when Mary came to visit her cousin Elizabeth? That's what we call the deep speaking to the deep:

36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.
38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;
40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. Luke 1: 36-44

Originally Posted by vince

Moreover, everything you presented as "facts" are nothing more than imported hearsays. There is nothing factual about them. That is why you were required to accept them through faith.

Bruh, I took them as facts because they are based on EYE WITNESS testimonies. Even in the court of law, eye witness testimonies (especially when the said testimony is collaborated by two or three witnesses) are taken as FACTS.

O pari

Originally Posted by Gen Sani Abacha

How now o'l boy ? Long time. Abeg, helep me greet madam and junior...

Will do, sir.
That was very kind of you. Thanks for the remembrance!