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Chris Brown and Rihanna in domestic violence shocker

Discussion in 'INTERNATIONAL MOVIES, TV & CELEBRITIES' started by takestyle, Feb 8, 2009.

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  1. Honourable

    Honourable Mr. Naijarules!

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    I’m not making any presumptions or assumptions and never did I say he “feigned anything”. I think you really need to re-read my post:

    My post was basically saying that in the near future when he is finally compelled to publicly speak about what happened that day (he can’t shy away from it forever y’know), and he tries to save face by saying he acted out in self defense OR whatever else he comes up with. NOTHING can justify the attack he dealt on her face. Common sense is still very common: the picture says it all. He attacked her ruthlessly. That much the world knows.

    As for the scenario with the girl and the knife, sorry I honestly can’t relate to that because I simply never had girls in my social circle who would ever resort to threatening people with knives. Besides, I know where I place myself as a man and I know where I place women AND the women in my life know where I place them too. No woman would ever raise a finger at me how much more a knife. So I definitely can’t relate to your scenario.
     
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    Honourable Mr. Naijarules!

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    Thank you! She looked like she was attacked by a wild animal. And anyone with good reasoning is going to even try to justify that?! I love a rich argument, but its never my style to argue the obvious.

    @highlighted: It really was a beatdown NOT a fight!
     
  3. paj

    paj D JENGBORAN OF YORUBALAND

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    ..now U're exaggerating...it wasn't THAT bad...like U haven't see worse...haba..
     
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    Honourable Mr. Naijarules!

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    Different strokes I guess then...what I consider "THAT bad", you might consider a "regular beatdown"..different strokes...and no I haven't seen worse
     
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    paj D JENGBORAN OF YORUBALAND

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    ...but U can relate to the 'beat down' as (U call it) because U have girls in your social circle that would go about getting fistfights with men? ..and what do you mean by NOTHING can justify the attack on her?U think in ALL cases where a man has laid a hand on a woman,absolutely NOTHING justified it?so even in self defence,NOTHING justifies it?If she put a gun to his head ,pulled the trigger but it jammed,that WON'T justify it?it may seem totally out of place for U because the girls in your social circle don't carry guns but some people do..and out of being 'gangster',will do something like that.....your argument that ABSOLUTELY NOTHING justifies a woman [possibly]retaliate physical abuse with physical abuse(not saying its right) has a lot of holes it....even man to man sef..the fact that U punched me once does not always mean that I'm going to reply U with one punch....so if U're built of a smaller stature than me and U punch me once,and out of self defence I reply with a dozen,am I justified?Remember,all men(and women) are equal...my point is as much as we were not there,we can not sufficiently assume that his response was not justified..cause we don't know what happened..U may be right,perhaps if we knew the details it may end up being excessive,but until then,we can't assume anything..
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    Thickmadam OHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHH!!

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    it wasn't that bad?
     
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    ..nope...I didn't..if the attack was unprovoked,then he's nothing but a lowlife punk...if she didn't strike first...then he seriously needs counselling on how to deal with anger issues....if he was already angry at her about something and the slightest touch flicked him off,he needs counselling to deal with anger management.....but if she had perpetrated it,and after repeated attempts to abate the issue she continued,or she hit him even once so hard that it would've hurt anybody male or female,then how can his response be excessive?I missed the point because many people are hanging on to the picture of the aftermath,without seeing a video of what really transpired?As a man U are supposed to be able to control yourself...yes...but there are some women on this planet that will push some men to do the unthinkable..that is my point...and since we personally know neither Chris no Rihanna,nor were we there when this whole thing happened,and we're hearing only one side of the story(actually half of one cause he's not admitting to anything),we will be wrong to judge...many of U are judging and convicting though U weren't there...things are not always the way they appear folks..it may be..and it may not be..
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    paj D JENGBORAN OF YORUBALAND

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    ..in my opinion,it was not THAT bad....compared to some I've seen...I've seen girls fight each other and come off worse...it was not good..it was bad...but as Honourable compared it to being mauled by an animal is an over the top description....I've seen pics where U can't even recognize the person...what I saw were what seemed like scratches from a short scuffle...haba....some of these have been blowing way outta proportion...
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    paj D JENGBORAN OF YORUBALAND

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    Thickmadam OHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHH!!

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    lol.
    pa j.
    you've never been a woman hit by a man. so no matter how not that bad it seems, you won't understand what even one slap does to a woman.

    those looked like scratches from a short scuffle?
    no wahala.

    werreminit! were you not supposed to call me this weekend?
     
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    Honourable Mr. Naijarules!

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    You seem very confused at my posts. Why you are, I don't know. But, I'll go out of my way to repeat myself.
    You asked me what my reaction would be if I had a woman put a knife to my neck (a situation you had been in) and I simply said I couldn't relate to your scenario as the girls in my social circle would never stoop that low. Hell, males I know personally would NEVER stoop to that level, how much more the ladies!

    I can speak for the world I live in and the kind of women I deal with in my personal life. NONE of them would even get into back-and-forth profane arguements with anyone, how much more engaging in a fistfight. Now, I speak in all confidence, because I know how they where raised and I know what they are about. So, once again: I can not relate in anyway to the scenario you painted earlier. Different strokes...

    And yes, I am aware that there are a multitude of women who are completly the opposite of the kind of women I deal with.

    I still insist that there is absolutely no justification for how pathetic Rihanna looked in that picture. Now that is my opinion AND I don't need an FBI report or a 10 page article in People Magazine to know that she she was reduced to the lowest degree (mentally and physically) the night the incident occured. Again, the picture says it all.

    BUT, if she had to have had a couple broken teeth or a broken nose, for you to consider it a critical situation, then that is your opinion and by all means stand by it.
     
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    Honourable Mr. Naijarules!

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    In this 2009, except a woman is getting paid to fight OR is physically defending herself, she has no business fistfighting. Simple and short, there are classy women and there are ghetto women. Ghetto women and men are expected to express their anger physically, that's not news.

    People from the 'hood, who fight day and night will look at the picture and say "It ain't nothing", while some other folks from different backgrounds will look at the same picture and heavlly gasp.

    To each their own BUT in a civilized world a man who raises his hands on a woman is considered a brute. Why, how, when is very secondary. C'est la vie!
     
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    oh...oops...umm...right afta this phoneconference wey I dey..I go buzz U..then we can 'duke it out':D......there's no question on the emotional scar hitting does to a woman..but see..that's not my point though..my point all along is the presumption that Chris Brown is the ONLY guilty party to this whole ugly fracas without us being there..sympathizing with her ONLY because she's the ONLY one that came out with bruises....there are quite a bunch of very feisty women out there...but many are ruling that out because of the angelic image they have if Rihanna...which she may very well be but do we know?The fight that one of them is a man is dowsing it with a lot more fire,even withthe evidence,because if it were two thuggish women that fought and one of them ends up looking like that,people won't make that much of a fuss...
     
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    ..I know we're not discussing the women in the world U grew up in..we're discussing what happened in Hollywood..however...how are they different from the women inthe world we all live in as far as personality?And its not like when we meet women we go through a questionnaire to determine what they will or will not do if they were pissed...these things show themselves gradually...it's not like the girl I'm talking about was filing a knife when I met her na..:spiny:...well..of course we're all entitled to our opinions...and luckily U've never met any feisty women who would push your button so hard U just wanna shake her back into reality :D the ones around U may have a reserved attitude about life but not all women are THAT sane.....dude..what are U talking sef..I've seen a situation where a woman has harassed a dude...pulled his shirt..called him all sorts of names..ruffled his shirt and even liberated a few buttons..he kept resisting..then she poked him with her index finger in the chest and he kept warning her...then she jerked him back and forth....but the moment he raised his hands as if to smack her she quickly ducked her head into his stomach and started screaming "E DON KILL ME O!!!!NEIGHBOURS...HE DON KILL ME O!!!!":laugh: ..the guy was so perplexed all he could do was shake his head...so..Nna..lucky U...I need to begin hang wiff U to run from these crazy keles..
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    ...proceed further inwards into the light my brother...smokin: now U dey catch my drift :spiny:...however...I disagree with your second line...because if U go about preaching that as gospel a few women will get away with murder....in my opinion..NO ONE is supposed to lay hands on ANYONE..male,female or even dog.....that way we can all avoid this kin' fiasco...abi no be so?grinning:
     
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    Honourable Mr. Naijarules!

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    Of course! No one is expected to lay hands on another, but a man who is in a relationship with a ghetto woman shouldn't be suprised when she starts exhibiting her ghetto ways i.e physical violence e.t.c She is basically doing what she knows; if she knew better she'll do better.
     
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    Honourable Mr. Naijarules!

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    Every human being who has blood flowing through their veins has emotions. Every human being (male or female) has a certain degree of temper that is unique to them. Their maturity, socialization process, the culture and class they grew up in and how in tune they are with their emotions is what makes the difference in how they express their anger,pain e.t.c.

    Yes, we are talking about a couple in Hollywood, but what it all boils down to is the people in question: Chris Brown and Rihanna. They might be in Hollywood but they are NOT Hollywood in so many ways...at least this assault drama resonates that fact...they are now much more seen as the young "Bobby and Whitney" than "Will and Jada". Abi you don hear sey Will give Jada black eye? That is a correct Hollywood couple they keep all their 'ish under wraps.

    Also, I've bumped into "hotheads" in my time BUT I've learnt how to put them in their place and keep it moving. So no, I don't live in a fairytale world of mermaids, I just know better than to get too close to ignorant women.
     
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    Honourable Mr. Naijarules!

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    Speaking for myself and myself only, (even before this whole show) I never thought of Rihanna as "angelic", she ain't no freakin' Carrie Underwood! And honestly, judging by the comments on this thread no one put Rihanna on a pedestal of being blameless. The question has always been: can such level of battery ever be justifiable?

    Everyone has a dark side and of course Rihanna must have done something to initiate what happened. But guess what, we might never know the truth. But we know that Chris Brown has been placed alongside the likes of Ike Turner, Mike Tyson e.t.c historic women beaters.

    Is judging without knowing the facts fair? Maybe, not. BUT, be rest assured that even if Rihanna came out with 1000 interviews claiming it was all her fault that things went out of hand, the society at large has already concluded based on what they saw (the infamous picture).

    So, its not about anyone thinking Rihanna is angelic and putting all the blame on Chris! Nope!
     
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    ......are U saying because a woman grew up in the ghetto means she has a stigma to do certain things because that's "what she knows"?:confused: R U saying people that grew up in middle or upper class homes never knew,saw or experienced domestic violence or uncouth behaviour?:confused:or someone who grew up in the ghetto could never be well behaved and mild mannered?:confused:
     
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    ..Nna...I'm confused...I'm wondering what makes Hollywood different from Silver Spring...or Baltimore...or Virginia...I mean...afterall..along with their perfect gentlemen and 'model' women,don't they also have their share of crackheads,pipeheads,johns(who look for prostitutes),ex-strippers,'thugs',
    lowlifes,shoplifters(a famous actress was accused of such),murderers and bedhoppers?Don't they wear their pants one leg @ a time like the rest of us?If so why can't we expect them to carry the same traits we see in our neighbors,friends,family and other folks we run into?Money can't buy some people class...and I just have this incling that there are some Will Smiths and Jada Pinketts out there in South East DC who also keep their stuff under wraps...my point is...I don't know what "Nollywood" is besides it being a special zipcode for people with exceptional artistic talent and getting paid good for it....outside of that,I don't see them any better,worse,classier or ghettoer than regular than everyday people..so nothing surprises or amazes me from that part of town...
    Pa
     
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