There is no nasty edge. You quibble facts. This conversation began with a simple assertion, that movies need to be made for the cinema.You disagreed. You said the home video is still the primary market. Most cinema release is just for show. You never made a case that the home video market is bigger. You don't believe that. You know it's not. I wrote it so we must argue.
I realize that this conversation has changed course so many times (not necessarily MY fault,mind you) to the point that it's hard to even remember what the discussion was about in the first place! Well, let me strip it down and correct your account for you:
The conversation began with raskimono posting a link that said that certain foreign-based Nigerian filmmakers were "what's next for Nollywood."
I said that guys who live abroad and work under completely different conditions from the average Nigeria-based filmmaker, and who seem primarily concerned with getting their movies into European festivals do NOT represent "what's next for Nollywood."
I said they're a parallel stream to Nollywood, but they work in a different environment, they have different objectives. God bless them, I wish them the best in whatever they're doing, but their world is not the same world as the commercial Nigerian film industry that's been dubbed "Nollywood."
At this point, raskimono jumps in and says that I am "being harsh on these guys." Harsh how? Did I insult them? All I said that if you take a Nigerian filmmaker who lives in London or New York and makes a movie with grants and allowances from film schools and other organizations and doesn't pay the cast and crew.... That filmmaker is not living and working in the same reality as Chico Ejiro or Teco Benson.
Then raskimono asserts that the point is that cinema must become the primary market for Nollywood. I say that I've felt that for a number of years due to the problems of piracy, but at the moment there are too few cinemas in Nigeria to truly say and for now it is an experiment, and in some cases, even a gimmick.
Skipping forward through some digressions, raskimono makes the point that cinema must be the primary medium because it generates more revenue and that is that. raskimono says that if Avatar did N80 million with the current number of theaters, then a Nigerian movie should bring in N150 million.
I introduced the question of budget because ultimately, the goal is not just to bring in "revenue".... It's to actually make a PROFIT. You might bring in more revenue, but if your expenditure is also considerably higher, then what is your profit margin?
I used Ije as an example: The movie's PR claims the movie cost like $2.5 million (which I dismissed outright). Angela81 (from whatever her sources are) suggested that it is closer to $500,000 (N75 million). So I simply asked: Okay, Ije making N50 million in the cinema is exciting, but if N75 million was spent on it, is it really a victory? (By the way,Ije is a student film and I don't think Anyaene's primary goal is necessarily to make a profit... Her reward from this will be in securing further, higher-profile work.)
My point is: with only 6 theaters in Nigeria at this point, is there a cap on the amount of revenue that can be realized from the cinema?
(Please forgive me for recapping all this stuff... I just want to streamline the main points so that we can see exactly what the argument here is. I am going somewhere with this...)
Okay, raskimono then says that Ije was probably made with less than $100,000 because of the generous financial aid received by the filmmaker. Which brought me back to my initial point: "Nollywood" producers don't have financial aid. Their reality is different from the reality that produced Ije. What Ije is doing is great, but unless all the Ejiros and Amatas and Chikeres and Ojukwus are going to go and enroll in NYFA and try to get grants, Ije is probably not their future.
At this point, raskimono is saying "Of course the makers of Ije and The Figurine didn't spend a lot of money... They're not stupid. If they spend $500,000, how are they going to make it back?" (ie he agrees with me that there is a cap on the amount that can be made)
But previously he was arguing that a Nigerian movie can make N150 million from 6 theaters and that it will happen when producers start pouring MORE money into their budgets.
The point is: I don't even understand what this kid's point is because he keeps changing it. And when I try to have a discourse with him to try to understand, I'm a bully, I'm "pugilistic," I "quibble facts."
"Quibble facts"? If by that he means that I try to live in the world of reality rather than fantasy... Then yes, I want facts.
I swear, I am puzzled by this whole thing. Is he offended because I happen to have a different opinion from him? I'm trying to remember if there was any point in this discussion that I abused him or something... What the hell is going on here?
We are arguing budgets now, something you brought up. Why do I say what i do? I don't know the budget of Ije. By the way, I have seen Ije. But I know what it costs to make a movie when you have your grants supporting you. Also, I know there is no fixed post-production costs, even from Kodak. You are can spend 2,000,000. You can spend less than a 100,000. It depends on what you want done. There is no fixed cost. You tell them what you want done. They can do basic processing for what is essentially peanuts. the grant generally covers that basic processing. I know a UCLA filmaker who got that same grant. Kodak covered the whole film processing and post. It's basic. It's nothing flashy, just the minimum. Ije looks like that.
Anyway, the main thing is it's an opinion.It's an opinion based on what I've seen other filmmakers do here. You are taking me to task on an opinion. That's okay. The way you do it is selective. Other people make statements. You don't do that. It's why I ignore you and will go back to doing that.
Get over yourself, dude. I ask questions of EVERYBODY here is they say some stuff that piques my interest or doesn't sit well with me.
But what is annoying is I already answered it. Why you beating on budgets is beyond me. It's irrelevant to what i said. It doesn't matter what the budget is. Nothing else generates the kind of revenue the cinema does. Simple.
In the real world (where *I* live), that kind of thing sort of DOES matter. But please...let me not start talking about reality...or "quibbling facts," as we call it now.
You know that. If you made a movie, you would not send to the home video market alone. You would send it to the cinema. That was the statement. Asking me about budgets and all is neither here or there. BUt that's what you do. You like ignore the main question and send off tangents which is no longer about fact but opinion.
But I'll say this. I work from common sense. I assume Xandria Productions has common sense. That lady is more intelligent than me. Common sense tells me she would not spend over $100,000.
Besides, I want to address the part of your essay that is actually kind of annoying me:
My problem with you though is your subjective nature. My very first post on this sight was an article I posted. It was an article about fighting piracy of Nigerian movies in the US. My quote under the post, was it seems they are actually making attempts to catch these guys. Your response was "The article does not actually say anything is being done to catch them." It was beside the point, but it was true, the article never actually made the statement. Fine. Sola commented on that same article and made the same comment i did. You did not attack him in the same manner or disagree with him. You wrote a very conciliatory post that lacked any bark or pointed out what the article did not say. That's your nature. I don't enjoy it.
In my response to you, did I call you a fool, a jerk, or otherwise personally insult you in any way?
Oh, what was it? I just happened to express a dissenting opinion or an observation I had otherwise made about the article? And that's what you're crying about? I see.
Or because I supposedly didn't yell at Sola the same way I yelled at you. Something like that. Despite the fact that I have had vigorous, yet civil disagreements with Sola, sidney, funmo, Angela81 and many others here...It's only raskimono that I pick on.
Because I think I'm sensing a pattern... I express an opinion different from yours and you freak out and start screaming that I am "attacking" you and "bullying" you.
Bros, do you...But if you are THAT sensitive... THAT fragile... life must be really tough.
But do you.
My response to you is you're right. I'm not sure what you are right about but you are right because an opinion cannot be a fact. No point quibbling over opinions. Opinion is an opinion. I can't be more than that. I will say this. I don't believe you think these filmmakers are losing money. I know you don't even believe the budgets but it's a good way for you to drag it out. You enjoy it. I don't. But I agree. You are right.
I know how much it costs to produce a 35mm "cinema-level" movie and I'm interested in knowing how possible it is for filmmakers to recoup their expenses in the current Nigerian reality. That is the reason I am asking. Not because I "enjoy dragging the conversation out" with you.
Hey...It's true: I do LOVE an energetic debate... but only with a worthy partner. The truth is that I really don't find you that interesting to talk to.
So please:By all means, carry on ignoring me, okay? I'd really appreciate that!
LOL @ the Mariama Ba "So Long a Letter"-ass post...