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Sola

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That statement that people don't buy movies because it's good or bad is hogwash, sounds like you dey try argue for the sake of argument.
We were having such an intelligent exchange. How you trivialised it so quickly is shocking. Its okay to believe whatever you want.
the two main ways movies create buzzes is if they are good or they are incredibly bad.
No, savvy marketing thanks to good money and ideas, chance and maybe material a la Harry Porter type books stir buzz.
Hollywood uses film critics (positive) quotes to sell its movies...
Sorry, but critics ceased to matter decades ago and they know it. Folks go to watch critically panned movies all the time.
Yes some bad movies might sell some units but you don't see bad movies do Avatar type numbers(well on second thought, you don't see any movie doing Avatar type numbers)
Only two movies have done Avatar type numbers - Titanic and Avatar. And it wasn't because they were good or bad. They connected with people, first. Then technological advancements and story helped (spectacle). Above all, that connection stirred word of mouth and the rest is history. It helped a little that the movies are above average though...
 

Kala Lou

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We were having such an intelligent exchange. How you trivialised it so quickly is shocking. Its okay to believe whatever you want.
How I take trivialize our discussion because I say your statement no get merit?? I still stand by that..
No, savvy marketing thanks to good money and ideas, chance and maybe material a la Harry Porter type books stir buzz.
even movie studios that creates a clunker do no bother marketing their movie for fear of losing more than they put in. Harry Potter buzz or not, if the movie is bad ..people won't patronize it.
Sorry, but critics ceased to matter decades ago and they know it. Folks go to watch critically panned movies all the time.
If critics don't matter why do the producers(US) still insist on telling us what they think about their movies for every trailer??
Only two movies have done Avatar type numbers - Titanic and Avatar. And it wasn't because they were good or bad. They connected with people, first. Then technological advancements and story helped (spectacle). Above all, that connection stirred word of mouth and the rest is history. It helped a little that the movies are above average though...
I never saw Avatar or Titanic in the theater, I waited for their releases on DVD (oops I got Titanic on VHS). It was the incredible buzz they created that made me get them. Bad movies don't create buzzes(except if they are incredibly bad, Like "Glitter" or "Howard Duck").
I'm not a big fan of Genny or Omotola but all the buzz about"Ije" has sparked my curiosity to want to see the movie...I'll probably be the first in line to buy the DVD(when it comes out)...I still dey wait for "The Figurine"
 

barbarellanoir

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How come nobody ever wants to elope with me? I used to be sexy like that o...

..maybe sexy left.....bring it back in 2011smokin:


Great topic by the waygrinning:.... it's nice to see a free-flowing and respectful exchange of ideas.

I am a diehard Nollywood proper/VCD/Nigeria watcher (even with the extras like poor sound and lighting, and 6 hour plots:spiny:)...I've been underwhelmed by the Nollywood USA offerings. A weak storyline bolstered by glossy shots of downtown Laurel Md, Buckhead ATL, or the Galleria in Houston isn't for moi.....It's obvious i'm not their target market.
 

ssergit

..still The Drama Queen!
ha ha ha....this is getting really interesting!
Thank God it is Friday!


And I say it again.....whether una like am or not.. NOLLYWOOD USA is here to stay! And at the rate Nigerian Nollywoodians are rushing out to USA to shoot movies, very soon, MOST of the movies that would be on sale in Nigeria would either be MADE IN USA or Part-Made in USA!
When that time comes, I will see if the Nollywood-USA haters won't change their minds!! lololol.

Stories and plots are still plenty and being worked on by many Nollywood USA Producers (moi included).... and we are getting there! Nollywood Nigeria did not become a hit overnight....they had their struggles, and we over here are battling some of ours.....it is not perfect, and lots of things need to be worked on!
My major beef is still the casting! The casting...The casting!!! Even a good story lined can be killed with a bad cast!!! And that is what I've seen in a couple of movie so far! Where certain people in the production team would INSIST and I mean really insist on a certain persons playing certain roles even when they know the individuals cannot deliver! Even sometimes leading to a Casting Director quitting! Sure, I know this is done 'all over the world', abi? and certain 'investments' can lead to some people being 'favored' to play some roles, but, when that stands to mess up the standard of the whole movie nko?

Locations! make-up/wardrobe/costume!!

and as insignificant as this might sound - MOVIE TITLES!!! Some of the movie titles are very annoying!!!! Who says all movies has to have titles with 2 or 3 words!! (this same thing happens in Nollywood Nigeria!)......without listing some here [for fear of being attacked].... I still remember movies back in the day with long names that are still classics to date ('The Spy who loved me', 'Singing in the rain', 'I still know what you did' etc etc).... Nollywood USA + Nigeria have gone to the extent of even using titles of movies that we know are obviously American!! Haba! How about even indigenous or vernacular titles!!??

Abeg, let me go ready for my trip out of state O jare, I got a movie to shoot tomorrow.........

Enjoy una Friday, and feel very free to attack this my post....and also to over 'Thank' anyone who attacks this post! :roll:

See ya all next week. Hugggsss
 

takestyle

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ha ha ha....this is getting really interesting!
Thank God it is Friday!


And I say it again.....whether una like am or not.. NOLLYWOOD USA is here to stay! And at the rate Nigerian Nollywoodians are rushing out to USA to shoot movies, very soon, MOST of the movies that would be on sale in Nigeria would either be MADE IN USA or Part-Made in USA!
When that time comes, I will see if the Nollywood-USA haters won't change their minds!! lololol.
ssergit, it looks like you are being overly defensive, talking about people "attacking" your post and "attacking" Nollywood USA... but I have not seen anybody do either. Some people (myself included) have said that they don't find Nollywood USA movies interesting at this point in time. There's nothing wrong with that... It's not by force that everybody must like them. I'm sure that you yourself do not like every single genre of movie out there, but that does not mean you are wishing them ill.

As you said, Nollywood USA is still developing. As time goes on, it might win over those who are not feeling it right now.
 

Kala Lou

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As for me ...when I hear say the film good..I no care if na Nollywood proper or Nolly USA or Ghana Brazil...my main objective na to see the film...and then make my own oppinion....
If to say "City of God" no good, you think say anybody outside of Brazil go hear about am? No be say because film good that mean say everybody go like am...
 

sidney

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As for me ...when I hear say the film good..I no care if na Nollywood proper or Nolly USA or Ghana Brazil...my main objective na to see the film...and then make my own oppinion....
If to say "City of God" no good, you think say anybody outside of Brazil go hear about am? No be say because film good that mean say everybody go like am...
You mean GhaBraWood? :laugh:
 

Dsampler

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For many people, myself included, the biggest appeal of any Nollywood movie (whether Nollywood proper o, or Nollywood USA) is the home factor as being part of the location. I don't care where ever the final production of the movie takes place as long as the locations & scenery in the movie shows me Lagos, or Port Harcourt, or Aba, or any other locations in Nigeria or Africa at large. If Nollywood US is going to survive, this issue of locations rather than who's in the movie is what's gonna do it for people like me. I mean, footage of downtown L.A, or New York city or Las Vegas doesn't mean a thing to most Africans in the diaspora. We might as well just go back to Hollywood movies and get our daily dosage of same ole, same ole.
 
Knock me over with a feather! Dsampler is preaching!! We actually agree! Its a new season, its a new daaaaaYYY!!

TM, even you cannot fault this quote. DS, I am loving you. You are right!!:food-smil

For many people, myself included, the biggest appeal of any Nollywood movie (whether Nollywood proper o, or Nollywood USA) is the home factor as being part of the location. I don't care where ever the final production of the movie takes place as long as the locations & scenery in the movie shows me Lagos, or Port Harcourt, or Aba, or any other locations in Nigeria or Africa at large. If Nollywood US is going to survive, this issue of locations rather than who's in the movie is what's gonna do it for people like me. I mean, footage of downtown L.A, or New York city or Las Vegas doesn't mean a thing to most Africans in the diaspora. We might as well just go back to Hollywood movies and get our daily dosage of same ole, same ole.
 

Thickmadam

OHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHH!!
knock me over too, i cannot fault its quote at all.
dsampler must have drunk from the wrong cup this morning.


Knock me over with a feather! Dsampler is preaching!! We actually agree! Its a new season, its a new daaaaaYYY!!

TM, even you cannot fault this quote. DS, I am loving you. You are right!!:food-smil
 

Kala Lou

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I love proper Naija scenery too...infact any tropical setting appeals to me(Jamaica/Brazil) because we don't see enough of them in movies. Our Naija producers need to start using our beautiful scenery better, not just as fillers or establishing shots, at least get the actors to interact with the environment. I bet sme Nolly/US directors will soon start making proper Nolly movies shot completely in the states....all they'll have to do is shoot scenes indoors and get foootage of Naija scenery as establishing shots...could be happening as I speak..
 

takestyle

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I love proper Naija scenery too...infact any tropical setting appeals to me(Jamaica/Brazil) because we don't see enough of them in movies. Our Naija producers need to start using our beautiful scenery better, not just as fillers or establishing shots, at least get the actors to interact with the environment. I bet sme Nolly/US directors will soon start making proper Nolly movies shot completely in the states....all they'll have to do is shoot scenes indoors and get foootage of Naija scenery as establishing shots...could be happening as I speak..
Why would they do that? Is it cheaper for them to fly the entire cast to the US to shoot? I don't think so...

Besides, the interiors of the houses in the US don't look anything like Nigerian houses. It probably would not be too convincing.
 

Kala Lou

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Why would they do that? Is it cheaper for them to fly the entire cast to the US to shoot? I don't think so...

Besides, the interiors of the houses in the US don't look anything like Nigerian houses. It probably would not be too convincing.
I mean the director using a cast of Naijas in the US....
It wouldn't take much to design an interior space to look like you are anywhere in the world......when has not being convincing stopped any Naija from doing what he/she wants to

Even proper Nolly directors have been doing this for years...when someone recieves a call from somebody supposedly overseas...
 

takestyle

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I mean the director using a cast of Naijas in the US....
It wouldn't take much to design an interior space to look like you are anywhere in the world......when has not being convincing stopped any Naija from doing what he/she wants to

Even proper Nolly directors have been doing this for years...when someone recieves a call from somebody supposedly overseas...
Again: What would be the point of doing this?

Nollywood movies live or die by the marketability of their stars. Which is why you see the same set of actors in every movie... If you don't have those stars in your movie, you're not selling it.

What would be the advantage of coming to the States to use a bunch of unknown Nigerian-American faces when Nollywood USA producers can't even sell their movies in Nigeria because the audience doesn't recognize the actors?

As for designing the interior to look Nigerian... How many Nigerian movies (Nollywood proper and Nollywood USA) have you seen them building sets rather than using existing spaces? And again, why would a Nollywood director leave Nigeria and fly to the US and then shell out money to hire a crew to build a Nigerian-looking interior rather than just shooting in Nigeria?

Seriously, I don't understand the point you're making.... What advantage accrues to any this?
 

Kala Lou

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Again: What would be the point of doing this?

Nollywood movies live or die by the marketability of their stars. Which is why you see the same set of actors in every movie... If you don't have those stars in your movie, you're not selling it.

What would be the advantage of coming to the States to use a bunch of unknown Nigerian-American faces when Nollywood USA producers can't even sell their movies in Nigeria because the audience doesn't recognize the actors?

As for designing the interior to look Nigerian... How many Nigerian movies (Nollywood proper and Nollywood USA) have you seen them building sets rather than using existing spaces? And again, why would a Nollywood director leave Nigeria and fly to the US and then shell out money to hire a crew to build a Nigerian-looking interior rather than just shooting in Nigeria?

Seriously, I don't understand the point you're making.... What advantage accrues to any this?
Oookay...since you don't understand the point I'm trying to make, let me see if I can express myself better
Take for instance I am a Nolly producer based in the states(some Nollywood directors and aspiring directors dey live for the states too) and I have a script I'm trying to produce. The setting for my script is in Nigeria. I cast a group of young eager Nigerians to be in my movie. I don't have the money to transport cast and crew to Nigeria, so I settle for producing my movie here in states. Most Nolly movies I've seen, almost all the scenes occur in rooms(the urban/city ones at least)

Nigerian producers take the Naija audience for granted....no be every Nollywood audience member dey get hard on from seeing a "star" on screen. The way you dey describe Nolly audience na like say we be sheep...we all like one thing...and all Nollywod audience no dey stay Naija....There is a market for all types of movies. I wouldn't say all but some producers pack their movie full of "stars" because the script is not strong enough to support the movie. City Of God(na my favorite movie dats why I dey always reference am) was cast with a bunch of unknowns and its still one of the best films I've seen, Tsotsie..the same.....

As for the BUILDING sets thing, I never said anything about BUILDING anything, I said you can design an interior space to give it that Naija feel...you don't even have to design the whole house...just design the backgrounds where your talents will be performing. Even background noise can be part of your design. Even US soap operas do this...
 

barbarellanoir

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nollywood USA haters ke, abeg they need to get their act together joor, what is good is good and what is horrible is horrible ojare glossy pictures and all.
...Thank you!!!...I don't care how many people rush to use Ramsey when he's in MD, or John Dumelo....If the movie contains all of the BS that critics on NR talk about (or simply what I don't like), i'm not going to praise it because of glossy shots and a US location...plain and simple...If folk can recommend "Acting for Dummies" or "Scriptwriting for Dummies" for moviemakers, and actors in Nollywood Nigeria movies, then the same applies to movies shot here..Why sugar coat it??? Those that confuse honesty, and an opinion with "hating" can go run in traffic...Like I give a damn.smokin:

...I truly respect an honest hustle, BUT when you put it out there for the buying public, be prepared.
 

takestyle

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Oookay...since you don't understand the point I'm trying to make, let me see if I can express myself better
Take for instance I am a Nolly producer based in the states(some Nollywood directors and aspiring directors dey live for the states too) and I have a script I'm trying to produce. The setting for my script is in Nigeria. I cast a group of young eager Nigerians to be in my movie. I don't have the money to transport cast and crew to Nigeria, so I settle for producing my movie here in states. Most Nolly movies I've seen, almost all the scenes occur in rooms(the urban/city ones at least)
Okay... So you are talking about a US-based Nigerian producer. Please note that you originally said "Nollywood proper", which would indicate a Nigeria-based producer.

Kala Lou said:
Nigerian producers take the Naija audience for granted....no be every Nollywood audience member dey get hard on from seeing a "star" on screen. The way you dey describe Nolly audience na like say we be sheep...we all like one thing...and all Nollywod audience no dey stay Naija....There is a market for all types of movies. I wouldn't say all but some producers pack their movie full of "stars" because the script is not strong enough to support the movie. City Of God(na my favorite movie dats why I dey always reference am) was cast with a bunch of unknowns and its still one of the best films I've seen, Tsotsie..the same.....
Dude. I am telling you the way the business works.

The question isn't even about whether or not *the audience* will accept a movie with no stars.... I'm talking about the fact that the marketers will not even look at your movie if it has no stars. So how do you intend to distribute it in Nigeria?

Unless it's not in Nigeria that you're planning to market the movie. Then maybe...

Kala Lou said:
As for the BUILDING sets thing, I never said anything about BUILDING anything, I said you can design an interior space to give it that Naija feel...you don't even have to design the whole house...just design the backgrounds where your talents will be performing. Even background noise can be part of your design. Even US soap operas do this...
Alright... Give me an example of what you mean by "designing" the interior space. Like, if you were in that position, how would you go about dressing the windows and the ceilings and the doorknobs and floors and everything else that looks radically different in US houses?

Or do you mean like just positioning your characters in front of a wall and then hanging up a Nigerian calendar and some African art? I've seen that done, and while I personally did not like the way it looked, I think you can get away with it for a scene or two. Or maybe even for a short film. But over the course of an entire feature? I dunno...
 

barbarellanoir

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I mean the director using a cast of Naijas in the US....
It wouldn't take much to design an interior space to look like you are anywhere in the world......when has not being convincing stopped any Naija from doing what he/she wants toEven proper Nolly directors have been doing this for years...when someone recieves a call from somebody supposedly overseas...
@bolded...this is so funny and sooo truesweat:
 

Kala Lou

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Okay... So you are talking about a US-based Nigerian producer. Please note that you originally said "Nollywood proper", which would indicate a Nigeria-based producer.
Yes I was talking about a US based producer trying to make a Nollywood proper movie....well it wont be a Nolly proper if one can't sell it in Nigeria(point Taken)




question isn't even about whether or not *the audience* will accept a movie with no stars.... I'm talking about the fact that the marketers will not even look at your movie if it has no stars. So how do you intend to distribute it in Nigeria?
I don't even think US based Nolly producers are trying to market their movies in Nigeria, producers are thinking outside that Odumotola box, I don't think Nigerians in Naija will be willing to pay 5000 naira for a DVD(not VCD). New distributing outlets for African movies are springing up in the US everyday. New Naija producers here are taking their cues from people like Tyler Perry and putting their stuff out there themselves. The ones that are tech savy enough are advertising all over social media. There is a big market over here, hair braiding salons double as Nolly video stores, Caribbean and African grocery stores have shelves stocked of Nolly movies, all on DVDs. Executive Image is one of the names that comes to mind when thinking about marketing(but you may have to have a couple of Nollywood Proper actors to star in your movie before they touch it), there's Afromedia, Sanga and other new ones cropping up everyday.





... Give me an example of what you mean by "designing" the interior space. Like, if you were in that position, how would you go about dressing the windows and the ceilings and the doorknobs and floors and everything else that looks radically different in US houses?
I have some Nigerian items like this Hausa leather mat(same type that was on the wall in that movie "Hamza" with Omotola and Olu Jacobs, In that movie they had the mat on the wall of the Amir's palace, there are a bunch of other stuff I can find around my house to design a space, even when you go to flea markets you can find some props. If I take of the headboard of my bed(too American looking), throw native wrapper over my closet door, put a wooden framed picture(of my mama) on the wall, use a curtain to cover up my window blinds...Gbam!! I dey Naija..maybe not quite...but it'll do for a scene. When shooting a scene, you as the director decides what the audience sees or does not see, if you don't what your audience to see your space heater sitting on the floor then you should frame your shots accordingly. I know it will be a challenge to shoot a feature length film like this but it can be done.
 
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