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Drama as Emeka Ike emerges New AGN President

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sidney

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...my dear man,please see my highlighted...was oshiomole a graduate before he became NLC leader in Nigeria?...you people are just making false assumptions and therefore arriving at wrong conclusions...in my last post i stated that for public posts here only school cert is required by the constitution except of course where specialist qualifications are required for professional jobs like for legal or medical posts...my view is that this requirement in our constitution has discounted rather than enhanced degrees in Nigeria...again there is something you seem to forget about those without degrees in the US compared with those in Naija...this is the degree of AWARENESS OR EXPOSURE on each side that can be applied to leadership demands...my thoughts are that AGN specified a degree holder based on likely EXPOSURE and not because of fondness for the toilet paper!...
Wait.. I'm confused... I'm sorry, forgive me...

Is it in the AGN constitution that the President must be a graduate?
 

chi

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The two of you are making excellent points...

I guess the issue about the statement is the way the lack of a degree (from anywhere) can be hurled as an insult. It almost is laughable to me. Oprah, Tiger Woods, Bill Gates, Larry Ellison (CEO of Oracle) all don't have degrees. And specifically acting, especially here in the US, there is a very small percentage that have degrees of any kind. And it does not preclude you from being the president of SAG or EQUITY or the head of the directors guild or any other reputable union or organization. Statements like that, seem to be uniquely Nigerian, maybe even African in nature.

Now if the articles of the AGN constitution states that the president needs to be a college grad, and the Emeka Ike statement was made in specific reference to that article, then I understand and it makes total sense.

Sid oprah's name should not be there she has a college degree.

@ highligted all the names mentioned are all CEO/PRESIDENT OF their various companies And the same applies in Nigeria any body can attain the level of a CEO regardless of any degree or not

Finally I think it all depends on the organization and their requirement what ever is stipulated, you must abide to
 

sidney

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Sid oprah's name should not be there she has a college degree.

@ highligted all the names mentioned are all CEO/PRESIDENT OF their various companies And the same applies in Nigeria any body can attain the level of a CEO regardless of any degree or not

Finally I think it all depends on the organization and their requirement what ever is stipulated, you must abide to
Sorry! My bad! :redface
 

luciano

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Wait.. I'm confused... I'm sorry, forgive me...

Is it in the AGN constitution that the President must be a graduate?
...which president?...of AGN or of Nigeria?...if it is the latter then please turn to those who took the discussion out of the AGN domain in the first place... which i then responded to...if it is the former my comments are based on assertions made in the past by concerned parties which have never been challenged or contradicted by a single person from the opposing camp....
 

sidney

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#85
...which president?...of AGN or of Nigeria?...if it is the latter then please turn to those who took the discussion out of the AGN domain in the first place... which i then responded to...if it is the former my comments are based on assertions made in the past by concerned parties which have never been challenged or contradicted by a single person from the opposing camp....
We are making this waaaaaayyyyy to complicated.... I am pretty sure I asked about AGN..... Lots of vocablaury happening here... Let's try this again....

According to the "AGN" constitution and bylaws must the "AGN" president be a college graduate?

Does anyone know?
 

Obariba

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We are making this waaaaaayyyyy to complicated.... I am pretty sure I asked about AGN..... Lots of vocablaury happening here... Let's try this again....

According to the "AGN" constitution and bylaws must the "AGN" president be a college graduate?

Does anyone know?
Yes :cow:
 

Obariba

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Nigeria: AGN - Who Blinks First? Segun Arinze Vs KOK
Ogbonna Amadi and Benjamin Njoku
10 October 2009

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interview

Lagos — The politics that has engulfed the leadership of the Actors Guild of Nigeria(AGN) since 2007 is far from over. Earlier, it was the battle to remove Ejike Asiegbu the erstwhile president of the guild from office, and also, to put the guild back on the track, but today, the story has changed.

Asiegbu is completely out of the way, while Segun Arinze emerge the uneasy head that wears the troubled crown. While the care-taker committee, set up by the Board of Trustees, BOT, of the guild and chaired by actor Kanayo .O. Kanayo fine-tune plans to hold a general election that will usher in a new breed of leadership for the guide come this December, embattled Asiegbu, allegedly, penultimate Wednesday in Port-Harcourt, Rivers State, organized an election that produced Arinze as president, thus diving the AGN, the Anayo- led interim administration has disowned the election, describing it as " a sham and unconstitutional'.

He was supported by the chair of actors group in Lagos, Mr. Ernest Obi, who said the election was "null, void and of no effect... a breach of AGN constitution" and that Arinze is not a member of AGN Lagos chapter. But Arinze says he was legitimately elected as the new president of AGN.

As the fire rages on, HVP, which has followed the development keenly, gives you the latest on the matter on who controls the AGN.

Do I say congratulations Mr. President or what?

Anyhow you want to put it is okay by me. If you wish to say congratulations, fine. But if you don't wish to, it's all well and good. For everything, I give thanks to God.

You were elected on the platform of Ejike Asiegbu faction as AGN president .....

I was elected constitutionally. I vied for the post constitutionally and as God will have it, I won. That's the way to look at it.

Who are the people that witnessed this election?

Sam Loco was there as the chairman. He conducted the election. We had the presence of the police, 22 delegates and all the state chairmen and excos were all there. And all these people make up the congress of the Actors Guild of Nigeria.

Was Lagos State represented?

Yes, Lagos State had a representative in the person of Mr. Wisdom. Mr. Ernest Obi was expected but I guess he chose not to come. Kogi and Sokoto states didn't come also. Akwa Ibom state took permission that they weren't coming.

Before the election, I thought there was some kind of litigation against Ejike Asiegbu by his former executive?

I must say that you've known me since 1992 - 93 till date and you know that I'll never do anything against the law. Everything I do is within the confines of the constitution. The suit you're talking about was the one by Steve Eboh, alongside other members of trustees asking the court to grant Ejike leave to step aside and also not to expel him from the guild. And that's the only suit that I'm aware of.

But you also collected forms to contest from both sides (Ejike's platform and the caretaker committee's headed by KOK)?

I did not collect forms from both sides.

But you told us you're contesting on both sides.

I never did. I said I would like to bring the house together. I have contested under the constitution of AGN and that's how it will remain..

I thought you also have a relationship with KOK?

This has nothing to do with relationship or no relationship. I'm a member of the Actors Guild of Nigeria. I'm not party to any committee and I told Ejike to his face that I'm not on his side. I've also told KOK that I'm not on anybody's side and nobody will use me to pursue any war.

I'm a man of my own. I came into AGN on my own and I took the decision to run for the position of the president of AGN on my own and bring about change. That is what I have said and I'm still standing by that.

So it's not a question of being on KOK or BOT on Ejike side. As far as I am concerned, we're all making fools of ourselves before the entire world.

Lagos AGN says you're not a card carrying member...

I see. If they say so, then they should prove it. If they look for my file and don't find it then, I'll know what to do.

There's a saying in Igbo language that says what a man will do is buried in his heart. So, I'm just keeping quiet and watching them.

Are you suspecting that somebody might toy with it?

I don't want to suspect anything. I've no business suspecting anybody. I see all those things they say as political bullshit. I like it when people talk with correct facts. I am a bonafide member of AGN.

The Actors Guild of Nigeria, Abuja chapter ,gave an award of recognition in 2007 to Segun Arinze. I'm an AGN member from the onset. I contested alongside Emmanuel Ogugua and he won. We shook hands and he promised that we'd work together then.

This same Emmanuel Ogugua campaigned for me to become vice president and today he turns around to say I'm not a member of AGN. I laughed because it's laughable. I'm too mature for those kinds of dirty politics.

I've always said one thing and I'm saying it again-it is the Actors Guild of Nigeria and if we agree to that, we should have a national outlook. The AGN is an association. It's nobody's property. It's above me or any other person.

In fact, no member of AGN is above the guild. And this is a guild that is supposed to help propagate the cause of the Nigerian actor, look into their welfare and sort out the problems facing it. Because we've come from diverse backgrounds under one umbrella, which is this guild.

You have a hectic task ahead of you. First, there's the secretariat unused for months. How do you hope to go about it? Are you going to collapse AGN into one?

We're not collapsing... (laughing). We will surely come back as one. All these things will soon pass away.

What if they go ahead and hold their election?

Forget, it will pass. Those things are all distractions which will fail. It is only natural for people to have their own grievances. Of course, everybody has a right to be aggrieved. What matters is how you go about telling people of your grief. It is not unusual to see people argue over elections and things like that.

Nearly every association has gone through that. I'm sure you know that the Nigerian Medical Association and even the Nigerian Bar Association went through all that. Even the Nigerian Labour Congress went through things like this.

But you must also put your house in order because if your house is not in order, then who will you follow?

I'd rather fight wars and win without bullets than fight with bullets and everybody is dead and I'm left alone.

Yes, but there is a BOT...

Within the constitution that brought me in, when Mr. Asiegbu, the former president was leaving office, he dissolved all that. So, right now, I'm not going to say anything about BOT because I've not had any meetings with the former BOT yet.

I'm afraid because the other body was set up and empowered by the BOT.

I also want you to understand that the role of the BOT is that of advisory and not administrative. They also have their own grievances like anyone else and whether we like it or not, we can't wish them away. Definitely, we will all sit on a round table and fashion out a way to move this association forward.

What are the things you want to begin with?

I'm not going to start fighting any wars because that energy can be saved to better this association. But I'm not going to stand as a coward. But I'll stand my ground. All we need now is to sit down and fashion out new ways to move the guild forward because we've been so stagnated.

Now that you're coming in, what are those things you intend to do to fight those who showcase our home movies on cable TV and then piracy?

Now you're beginning to speak my language. We know there are anomalies but there are other ways of going about these things instead of fighting and those are some of the things I have on my agenda to deal with. If we are a united house, we should come out to say we detest what has happened.

When Enebeli had a recent attack and we tried to get him treated, nobody was ready to support. It was like 'to your tent O-Isreal' which should not be because it could have happened to any otherperson.

As a guild we should always think of everybody. I have a lot of things on my agenda which I hope to accomplish. I also have on my agenda, building new state chapters, looking into the welfare of actors, listening to all their cases and opening up more channels of discussion. Talking seriously, ethics conducts and disciplinary issues and contracts so many things that borders on the profession and creating a guild that has quality.

What about the cultural exchange thing?

Yes we are working on the cultural exchange thing with different countries. That is why I think that this industry is actually under the wrong ministry. We should be under the ministry of culture and tourism not information so that we can achieved all these.

There's nothing wrong with a Nigerian producer going to Burkina Fasso with all his actors and they go there to make all the noise about Nollywood. At the end we benefit.

We're also going to look at the fact that foreigners come here to make money and go without paying anything to the guild nor are they paying to the government. I don't have anything against foreigners coming to work here, but I expect that they pay some respect to the king. You don't walk into a king's palace and just sit down or stroll around. You must give the king some kind of homage and that's how it should be.

I think the movie industry hasn't got the kind of fraternity it should have with the government and that's why it hasn't got the kind of support it should get........

Let me also tell you that the AGN is just one of the necleus part that make up the motion picture industry. We have the directors guild, designers guild, script writers guild, the cinematographers guild and so on. We the actors are like the bride of the industry that attracts corporate bodies to come in.

You are a journalist and people respect you because you respect yourself but if you don't, nobody will. You are addressed by what you call yourself.

Right now we have made ourselves so unattractive that nobody wants to talk to us. We don't want a situation where people will continue to look at us as a bunch of irresponsible people. Lets stop fighting. You know sometimes I ask myself what are we fighting for? Is it that AGN is so rich that everybody wants to suck from it?

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chi

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after reading seguns speech .. am divided ...... ...... is it possible for him to run for such an election knowing he doesn't have the necessary qualification...... I see this whole thing dragging to the court
 

luciano

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We are making this waaaaaayyyyy to complicated.... I am pretty sure I asked about AGN..... Lots of vocablaury happening here... Let's try this again....

According to the "AGN" constitution and bylaws must the "AGN" president be a college graduate?

Does anyone know?
UNEQUIVOCAL QUESTIONS WILL MOST LIKELY GET UNEQUIVOCAL ANSWERS....even your so called simple question in blue could be interpreted to mean "has anyone seen the AGN constitution itself and the relevant provision?"...

...maybe your one liner questions should be posted with this in mind...."is this unequivocal?"...or do i add a few words for the less intelligent ones like luciano?...
 

luciano

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after reading seguns speech .. am divided ...... ...... is it possible for him to run for such an election knowing he doesn't have the necessary qualification...... I see this whole thing dragging to the court
...to me he said nothing...he is playing politics...our way!...
 

Sola

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...maybe your one liner questions should be posted with this in mind...."is this unequivocal?"...or do i add a few words for the less intelligent ones like luciano?...
Oga Luciano, why are you playing politics now, the same thing you accuse these AGN people of doing? What is so unclear about Sidney's attempt to make a clarification now? Its reads like a simple Yes, No or I don't know question to me o. No mystery whatsoever!
 

Eee

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*Sigh*. Truly, there are always two sides to a story. Rules are made for a reason and most often times meant to be followed.

Given this new development and however distasteful Emeka Ike's behavior may have been, Segun rinz needs to respect the rules set in place. And unless the members waive this, (which I don't see happening), then Segun needs to either step down or go about campaigning, the right way.
 

chi

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Oga Luciano, why are you playing politics now, the same thing you accuse these AGN people of doing? What is so unclear about Sidney's attempt to make a clarification now? Its reads like a simple Yes, No or I don't know question to me o. No mystery whatsoever!

don't mind luciano, his adrenaline is high this morning, so his on his boxers shorts looking for who to punch ..........:laugh:
 

Obariba

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UNEQUIVOCAL QUESTIONS WILL MOST LIKELY GET UNEQUIVOCAL ANSWERS....even your so called simple question in blue could be interpreted to mean "has anyone seen the AGN constitution itself and the relevant provision?"...

...maybe your one liner questions should be posted with this in mind...."is this unequivocal?"...or do i add a few words for the less intelligent ones like luciano?...
easy bro ...it aint that serious :)
 

sidney

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UNEQUIVOCAL QUESTIONS WILL MOST LIKELY GET UNEQUIVOCAL ANSWERS....even your so called simple question in blue could be interpreted to mean "has anyone seen the AGN constitution itself and the relevant provision?"...

...maybe your one liner questions should be posted with this in mind...."is this unequivocal?"...or do i add a few words for the less intelligent ones like luciano?...
Lucianio, you strike me as way too intelligent to indulge in nonsensical mental masturbation. I usually like your normal grounded trains of thought. Usually dealing with the simplicity of facts and grounded logic. So I am bit confused by your posts. If not for your writing style remaining unchanged, I would have sworn someone posted in your absence..

The question required, as Sola stated, a simple "yes", "no" or "I don't know" answer. I am not sure how anyone would ever mistake my question to mean "has anyone seen the AGN constitution itself and the relevant provision?"... I almost laughed out loud when I read this. It was actually quite funny...

Cool down my brother. The question and answer were simply. Any attempt to make is more that what it is would be a strange meaningless exercise...
 

luciano

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Lucianio, you strike me as way too intelligent to indulge in nonsensical mental masturbation. I usually like your normal grounded trains of thought. Usually dealing with the simplicity of facts and grounded logic. So I am bit confused by your posts. If not for your writing style remaining unchanged, I would have sworn someone posted in your absence..

The question required, as Sola stated, a simple "yes", "no" or "I don't know" answer. I am not sure how anyone would ever mistake my question to mean "has anyone seen the AGN constitution itself and the relevant provision?"... I almost laughed out loud when I read this. It was actually quite funny...

Cool down my brother. The question and answer were simply. Any attempt to make is more that what it is would be a strange meaningless exercise...
.... yournew post is quite interesting and is capable of producing some mental ejaculation in return...but as i said i was not pulling any issues with you...so lets leave our closets behind....
 

sidney

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.... yournew post is quite interesting and is capable of producing some mental ejaculation in return...but as i said i was not pulling any issues with you...so lets leave our closets behind....
:confused:..

Oh my... What do we have here? Wow, it is not by force you know.. LOL..... Alas it is funny and sad at the same time.... It is well...

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