How it is made: Let's talk movie efx

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ssergit

..still The Drama Queen!
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Watching some Nolly/African movies sometimes, I truly wish they would stop trying to do some silly things like:

  1. pouring dusting powder on a character's head to show 'old age'
  2. putting dark eye shadows to depict 'stress', when it comes off as gothic
  3. wasting ketchup in the quest to create 'blood loss'
  4. using bangers in place of real gun shot sounds
  5. using very fake looking guns, where there are almost-real looking toy guns out there
  6. etc etc

What do you think? What ideas do you have that people can use to make some effects as realistic as possible?

As Nollywood is getting all these international exposure now, how can we at least, make movies that do not look like some kindergarten's Halloween project, in the name of 'effects'

Let's discuss please. Share your ideas. Give it a heading. Share tips. Cheaper alternatives to achieving results.

Especially in the areas of make-up and sound effects.

The clip here is something that would cost as much as $10,000.00 and we know Nolly has not gotten to that stage yet....and for the duration it takes to make that one, very realistic face (one month), is exactly how long a Nollymovie would be shot and edited! lol. We know our people got no patience......
So, what are 'short cuts' ways to almost real - effects?
 

Village-Boi

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Very easy answer... instead of using such an expensive method to transform a young woman into an old granny... eeerrrrmmmm (lacking the patience you mentioned)... just hire an old granny. Dem plenti for village! lol.
 

ssergit

..still The Drama Queen!
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Very easy answer... instead of using such an expensive method to transform a young woman into an old granny... eeerrrrmmmm (lacking the patience you mentioned)... just hire an old granny. Dem plenti for village! lol.
abi? good, cheap option. lolol
as long as dem get their lines right. Sure beats some of those movies where they pour white powder on the person's hair to 'signify' old age. lolol
 

Village-Boi

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abi? good, cheap option. lolol
as long as dem get their lines right. Sure beats some of those movies where they pour white powder on the person's hair to 'signify' old age. lolol
True dat. But jokes apart there are damn cheap ways to a age a person. We had a guy in a short film that was transformed from a 30ish year old to a 70yr old - no prosthetics, just simple make-up (diff) colours. It cost us about £40 - 20.00 for make-up, 10 for make-up gals travel card and 10 for her food for the day. And as that was our final yr project we found it to be a 'very expensive' bit of trickery lol.
If I can grab some screen shots sometime I'll email the 'before and after' images to you.
 

ssergit

..still The Drama Queen!
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True dat. But jokes apart there are damn cheap ways to a age a person. We had a guy in a short film that was transformed from a 30ish year old to a 70yr old - no prosthetics, just simple make-up (diff) colours. It cost us about £40 - 20.00 for make-up, 10 for make-up gals travel card and 10 for her food for the day. And as that was our final yr project we found it to be a 'very expensive' bit of trickery lol.
If I can grab some screen shots sometime I'll email the 'before and after' images to you.
Would surely love to see those, That is creatively awesome. Because those prosthetics should be for the likes of Steven Spielberg, right? $10,000 for one old woman's face, and one month turnaround time! Phew. What if they had to make like 6 people age? That would be some 60Gees, the cost of a full production in Nollywood. (sweating)

I think sometimes, Nolly people can be a little more creative too. I was on a movie set recently, and the DPO shot the morning scene. and had the cast change to their next wardrobe to shoot the night scene, and I was wondering why they just couldn't wait for night to fall and get it right, guess what he did? he picked all the blankets in the house, and with masking tapes, went around 'blocking' all the windows to create 'darkness' and night ambiance. I was impressed though, a little.
 

ssergit

..still The Drama Queen!
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Talking about switching day times in scenes, the same set I was on, due to their impatience to simply wait for night time, or add that shoot to a night time schedule, they ended up changing scenes. And I wondered overall, what would have been more convenient, cheaper, and less editing time spent....if they had stuck to the script.....

For example, the scene was supposed to start with "Mrs X rang the door bell'.....continuing to ... "Ms Y went to answer the door, and stood there at the door frame to exchange one or two lines before Mrs X came in to sit down. And while at the door, Mrs X made a funny face "..which could only be caught by Ms.Y's POV, from the inside, with Mrs X standing with a night background...

Oh boy, they changed the whole scene to: "Mrs X sitting down (in the house already), sipping wine and the exchange happened while in the sitting area'..... still worked out.....but, am thinking, why didnt they just follow the script? because changing that scene, ,meant they had to change the one again where Ms. Y had to rush out to the store to get something....that was also cut off, and she was shown at the store already, in the next day's shoot. And of course, she had to be on one spot, where the windows and light wouldnt be shown, as they didnt have the patience to wait for another 'night' time.

hmmmmm......I believe some directors have problems transiting between Day and Night......and chances are sometimes, the night time lighting may be wack....
 

Kala Lou

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As for realistic gunshot effects, that can be achieved through good editing...
I noticed with a lot of nolly movies that the gunshot effects are very bad, no gunshot flash and bad sound effect....with Final Cut Studio you can create a muzzle flash with the motion software and apple has a number of gunshot sound efx in Garrage Band..
 

ssergit

..still The Drama Queen!
#8
As for realistic gunshot effects, that can be achieved through good editing...
I noticed with a lot of nolly movies that the gunshot effects are very bad, no gunshot flash and bad sound effect....with Final Cut Studio you can create a muzzle flash with the motion software and apple has a number of gunshot sound efx in Garrage Band..
Thanks Kala. Don't you just hate it when you hear a banger sounding right after the person has already pulled the trigger? lol...and the annoying one is bangers popping for a machine gun sound. Really? I guess its one of the problems of shooting and editing under 2 weeks.....

Don't even get me talking about the 'fight scenes'....where they are supposed to fight like real action heroes, but they come off looking like two girls having a cat fight.

So, when is Nollywood gonna create jobs/positions for Stunt men and women?..... and I mean those that can truly do real and believable stunts.
 

Field Marshal

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As for realistic gunshot effects, that can be achieved through good editing...
I noticed with a lot of nolly movies that the gunshot effects are very bad, no gunshot flash and bad sound effect....with Final Cut Studio you can create a muzzle flash with the motion software and apple has a number of gunshot sound efx in Garrage Band..
Seems your getting used using your Final Cut Studio, eh?:D BTW, Does Final Cut have a Windows version?
 

Village-Boi

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Seems your getting used using your Final Cut Studio, eh?:D BTW, Does Final Cut have a Windows version?
Oga Field Marshal... No windows version of FCP! Am seriously looking to picking up Adobe CS5 because of one simple codec that will let me edit DSLR footage natively without converting or rendering. Trust me, I'm gonna grab a student and get it for £350 instead of £1800. Do the same!


As for realistic gunshot effects, that can be achieved through good editing...
I noticed with a lot of nolly movies that the gunshot effects are very bad, no gunshot flash and bad sound effect....with Final Cut Studio you can create a muzzle flash with the motion software and apple has a number of gunshot sound efx in Garrage Band..
Personally I hardly use any of the effects in FCP. Go the After Effects route and there are tons of companies... ok a few good ones that sell 'proper' effects both audio and video (1980x1080 & 1080x720 versions - some cost a bit though shaa!). However, some of these can still be done in FCP.

Talking about switching day times in scenes, the same set I was on, due to their impatience to simply wait for night time, or add that shoot to a night time schedule, they ended up changing scenes. And I wondered overall, what would have been more convenient, cheaper, and less editing time spent....if they had stuck to the script.....I believe some directors have problems transiting between Day and Night......and chances are sometimes, the night time lighting may be wack....
Hmmmmmm, it is very, very easy to shoot day for night... using the right lighting and gels, as well as night for day... Much easier with INT shots. For EXT shots it's still slightly easy to do the same but with a day for night... obviously a night for day won't really work outside.

Also scripts are not set in stone, people do change locations, times, shot types and all sorts on the day of shoot. A quick re-write and all should be fine. In the case of 'Mrs X and Mrs Y'... double or tripple layered black bin bags would cover the windows fine and turn any day location into night... pronto... 20bags = £1, I bet no room will use more than 80 bags lol For their door shot screen it off or shoot against something else and replace it in the edit (much harder than waiting for night).

Oh feck... I just read your post above this one... yes thick blankets will do too and then blue gel an off key light to replicate moonlight coming in from the window, change the curves in the edit and... hey pronto, you have a beautiful day for night scene!

The final yr film I was talking about all but one of the night scenes were shot during the day, same window covering stuff done. I don't have any digital files of the film but will grab some screen shots for you off a crappy DVD copy I have... it's really old!
 

Field Marshal

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Oga Field Marshal... No windows version of FCP! Am seriously looking to picking up Adobe CS5 because of one simple codec that will let me edit DSLR footage natively without converting or rendering. Trust me, I'm gonna grab a student and get it for £350 instead of £1800. Do the same!
Village-Bobo..... tenk u o! I don dey look Adobe CS5 witi de cona of mai eye since u open mai eye to dat DSLR bizness o! I don dey look look Canon 60D, but on de oda side Canon 7D dey wink me eye too much! Me sef no sabi which wan to get. :( I go try buy am (Adobe CS5) using that ya student idea o! :D
 

Kala Lou

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Seems your getting used using your Final Cut Studio, eh?:D BTW, Does Final Cut have a Windows version?
Yeah..I find out that I'm using Final Cut more than my Adobe CS4 because of ease of use. You can almost teach yourself to use FC...unlike when I'm using After Effects I always have a text book in front of me....
 

Kala Lou

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Thanks Kala. Don't you just hate it when you hear a banger sounding right after the person has already pulled the trigger? lol...and the annoying one is bangers popping for a machine gun sound. Really? I guess its one of the problems of shooting and editing under 2 weeks.....

Don't even get me talking about the 'fight scenes'....where they are supposed to fight like real action heroes, but they come off looking like two girls having a cat fight.

So, when is Nollywood gonna create jobs/positions for Stunt men and women?..... and I mean those that can truly do real and believable stunts.
The one that got me was in this Van Vicker movie(can't remember the name), where this guy was shooting at Vicker's character with a small hand gun but the pistol was making machine gun sound efx:confused:
 

Kala Lou

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Village-Bobo..... tenk u o! I don dey look Adobe CS5 witi de cona of mai eye since u open mai eye to dat DSLR bizness o! I don dey look look Canon 60D, but on de oda side Canon 7D dey wink me eye too much! Me sef no sabi which wan to get. :( I go try buy am (Adobe CS5) using that ya student idea o! :D
If you get friend wen hin be teacher..you fit tell am make him hep you buy the educational version too
 

Village-Boi

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Village-Bobo..... tenk u o! I don dey look Adobe CS5 witi de cona of mai eye since u open mai eye to dat DSLR bizness o! I don dey look look Canon 60D, but on de oda side Canon 7D dey wink me eye too much! Me sef no sabi which wan to get. :( I go try buy am (Adobe CS5) using that ya student idea o! :D
The main difference with the 7D is the 'weather sealed body', get the 60D and use the extra change for a fast lens. I'm saving up for a 60D as a 2nd body! The video is the same even with the 550D.
Better thing about the 60D over the 7D is 'audio controls'... 60D any day bro.


Hmmmm how do I add these darn screen grabs???
 

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Field Marshal

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The main difference with the 7D is the 'weather sealed body', get the 60D and use the extra change for a fast lens. I'm saving up for a 60D as a 2nd body! The video is the same even with the 550D.
Better thing about the 60D over the 7D is 'audio controls'... 60D any day bro.
...then it's settled. 60D is now my sole target and I will be looking out for a deal to buy it. What fast lens model do you have in mind?
 

Village-Boi

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...then it's settled. 60D is now my sole target and I will be looking out for a deal to buy it. What fast lens model do you have in mind?
For a start I'd go for the Canon 50mm f1.4 - The 50mm f1.8 is much cheaper but you will never ever be able to use a follow-focus on it. I have the f1.8 I love for stills but I also have a Zeiss 50mm T*1.4 that I use for filming with a follow-focus.
 

Village-Boi

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So the lens on this 60D will not have the follow-focus feature?
It will (with issues as the lens barrel will move) but if you look at the f stop number which is f3.5-5.6 - you're basically screwed if you want to shoot at night = too dark, compensate with a high iso number and it'll introduce a hell of noise into the video. Also with stock lenses (remembering we're cheating and using a stills cam for HD video) when you zoom in with them they will change apeture = screwed video!
Buy a 'Body only' 60D and a fast prime lens!

The 'night' film I posted a while ago was shot with my Zeiss 50mm T*1.4 and I think we never used an apeture less than 2.0 and iso's between 320-1250.

Not gonna lie to you. These cams are bloody cheap, shoot shit hot film-like video BUT are a total pain in the ass to use, however, on the bright side it CAN be done.

PS - I hate you guys in Yankee. In the UK our body only price is more than that body+lens in the USA, you lucky buggers!
 
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