How it is made: Let's talk movie efx

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Village-Boi

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V-Boi, Budgetary constraints prevented me from getting the 60D, but I have my mind set on getting it by the end of the second quarter of this year.

Edit: A Google search explained the "Magic Lantern", but a hands on insight from you will be highly appreciated. :D
You will LOVE that baby when you finally get one but hold off for now, let's see what the new DSLR announcements will bring!

Def gonna get back to you when I get back home on what DSLR software hackers are doing both for Canon DSLRs and the Panasonic GH2.

Editing alone won't get you anywhere with the gunshot effects, kala. You need a good effect and compositing software(ala after effects) with professional plugins for gunshot effects and a capable operator get it done properly.
You are quite right. Everything needed for GREAT looking effects dey for 'out there' but we need to invest in the plugins, software and how to use them. The best place to learn & buy could possibly be Video Copilot

Check out this effect

Shell Shocked - On Vimeo
Shell Shocked - On YouTube

Video Copilot totally ROCKS!!!!
 

Kala Lou

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Editing alone won't get you anywhere with the gunshot effects, kala. You need a good effect and compositing software(ala after effects) with professional plugins for gunshot effects and a capable operator get it done properly.
Compositing software, plugins, after effects...are those not part of editing?...all I was trying to point out was that creating a gunshot effect in post production will give a better effect than trying to create it live with knockout(like in many Nolly flicks)....except if you want to shoot with live ammo..
 

Village-Boi

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Compositing software, plugins, after effects...are those not part of editing?...all I was trying to point out was that creating a gunshot effect in post production will give a better effect than trying to create it live with knockout(like in many Nolly flicks)....except if you want to shoot with live ammo..
You are right... the things you mentioned are parts of the 'editing' process. I think all Vince was trying to do was point out that their are already-made plugins and so on to use instead of doing it all from 'scratch' in FCP/Motion.
 

Field Marshal

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You will LOVE that baby when you finally get one but hold off for now, let's see what the new DSLR announcements will bring!

Def gonna get back to you when I get back home on what DSLR software hackers are doing both for Canon DSLRs and the Panasonic GH2.



You are quite right. Everything needed for GREAT looking effects dey for 'out there' but we need to invest in the plugins, software and how to use them. The best place to learn & buy could possibly be Video Copilot

Check out this effect

Shell Shocked - On Vimeo
Shell Shocked - On YouTube

Video Copilot totally ROCKS!!!!
Wow! I SAY WOW!!!! This video Copilot is totally awesome! I'm looking forward to your feedback regarding the Canon DSLRs.
 

vince

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Compositing software, plugins, after effects...are those not part of editing?...all I was trying to point out was that creating a gunshot effect in post production will give a better effect than trying to create it live with knockout(like in many Nolly flicks)....except if you want to shoot with live ammo..
Editing is not the same as special effect work, kala. They are two different tasks in the post-production.
Editing is about putting camera shots together to make a meaningful flow known as sequences on the timeline. Special effect works deal with... well, special effects, both visual and sound. Not the same thing, please.
 

vince

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No. He is not correct. Editing is editing. Special effect work is special effect work. That is why two different systems are required in big post-production houses to do the two different jobs. There is the editing system(Adobe Premiere CS5) and there is the compositing system(Adobe After Effects). The former works horizontally while the latter works vertically. Not the same thing, please.
And besides, editing job almost always get done before the effect works.
You are right... the things you mentioned are parts of the 'editing' process. I think all Vince was trying to do was point out that their are already-made plugins and so on to use instead of doing it all from 'scratch' in FCP/Motion.
 

vince

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And even if the two jobs can be done with one software(like is the case with the high end system, Autodesk Smoke), it still doesn't mean it is the same thing. A special effect system operator is not going to be able to do any work until the editing is done.
 

Kala Lou

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Editing is not the same as special effect work, kala. They are two different tasks in the post-production.
Editing is about putting camera shots together to make a meaningful flow known as sequences on the timeline. Special effect works deal with... well, special effects, both visual and sound. Not the same thing, please.
I'm referring to editing in the context of low to no budget productions(like Nollywood)....all post production is generally done by the editor....if you get money take send your footage to special effects house, more grease to your elbows...the context in which I was speaking was nollywood productions...good indie movie editors are well versed in creating their on effects, color correcting, graphics...etc
 

Village-Boi

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No. He is not correct. Editing is editing. Special effect work is special effect work. That is why two different systems are required in big post-production houses to do the two different jobs. There is the editing system(Adobe Premiere CS5) and there is the compositing system(Adobe After Effects). The former works horizontally while the latter works vertically. Not the same thing, please.
And besides, editing job almost always get done before the effect works.
That is the truth and I am totally wrong there for looking at it from the perspective of 'small one-man band things'. To correct myself - they are both part of the post production process - thanks for bringing that up bros.
 

Village-Boi

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I'm referring to editing in the context of low to no budget productions(like Nollywood)....all post production is generally done by the editor....if you get money take send your footage to special effects house, more grease to your elbows...the context in which I was speaking was nollywood productions...good indie movie editors are well versed in creating their on effects, color correcting, graphics...etc
Haba, you dey read this thing the same time as me? lol. I do get what Vince is saying and it is true. It's also one of the reasons 'Hollywood' films with effects look much better than 'Nollywood' films with effects.
I know when I shoot a 'feature' it's definitely going to a post-house.
 

Kala Lou

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Okay I get what Vince is saying but the original topic of this thread was about giving suggestions for efx to make Nolly produced movies look more professional....
 

Village-Boi

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Okay I get what Vince is saying but the original topic of this thread was about giving suggestions for efx to make Nolly produced movies look more professional....
True. Nothing spoil, we go reach there... I am complete proponent for buying software and always buy mine (even if na through student), however you can 'download' Adobe CS5.0 Production Suite and many items from Video CoPilot - I know fully well a friend of mine did so and then changed some 'IT Geeky Boy stuff' on his mac so that Adobe has no clue he's running the software.
I own a few things from VCP and they are awesome!!
 

Kala Lou

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True. Nothing spoil, we go reach there... I am complete proponent for buying software and always buy mine (even if na through student), however you can 'download' Adobe CS5.0 Production Suite and many items from Video CoPilot - I know fully well a friend of mine did so and then changed some 'IT Geeky Boy stuff' on his mac so that Adobe has no clue he's running the software.
I own a few things from VCP and they are awesome!!
I still have my CS4 production suite...I haven't had the need to upgrade..yet....I barely use my Adobe since I got into Final Cut on Mac...I just find Final Cut more user friendly(I'm a lazy a**)....But I'll try that VCP...thanks for the heads up...
 

Village-Boi

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I still have my CS4 production suite...I haven't had the need to upgrade..yet....I barely use my Adobe since I got into Final Cut on Mac...I just find Final Cut more user friendly(I'm a lazy a**)....But I'll try that VCP...thanks for the heads up...
I think the main thing is CS5 & CS5.5 are leaps and bounds over previous versions when it comes to video functions - I don't know anything about CS4 down so I might be wrong. I got a 'student' CS5 and have only used it twice; I'm far too used to editing in FCP... Simple fact is I need to upgrade my very old MacBook Pro; hopefully this year I'll get an iMac to replace the 2003 model I binned.
After Effects is daunting! - I guess I'm just as lazy as lol
 

Field Marshal

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True. Nothing spoil, we go reach there... I am complete proponent for buying software and always buy mine (even if na through student), however you can 'download' Adobe CS5.0 Production Suite and many items from Video CoPilot - I know fully well a friend of mine did so and then changed some 'IT Geeky Boy stuff' on his mac so that Adobe has no clue he's running the software.
I own a few things from VCP and they are awesome!!
Ol'boy.......e be laiki sey me go build u betta hut for dat ya Villa o! I must admit, I have gained quite a lot from your Video/Film productions tips here in the past few months!:fing24: grinning:
 

Village-Boi

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Ol'boy.......e be laiki sey me go build u betta hut for dat ya Villa o! I must admit, I have gained quite a lot from your Video/Film productions tips here in the past few months!:fing24: grinning:
Thank you bros. Na the same boat we dey for this site - to learn & help - which is a way of us improving Naija films once we get the chance. I learn a lot of my stuff for free online so must give info fro free too. Gonna wak one hot meal now then get back to you on the 'Magic Lantern' stuff.
 

Field Marshal

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Thank you bros. Na the same boat we dey for this site - to learn & help - which is a way of us improving Naija films once we get the chance. I learn a lot of my stuff for free online so must give info fro free too. Gonna wak one hot meal now then get back to you on the 'Magic Lantern' stuff.
Hot eba, abi! Enjoy Bros. I dey wait for ya feedback! :D
 

Village-Boi

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Magic Lantern!

There is a huge amount to cover when it comes to Magic Lantern but I will keep it very short; giving just the main gist.

For those of us that shoot on DSLR cameras we know they are very limited and not that easy to use (or to get right without a ton of accessories).

Why do we shoot with 'stills' cameras? - For such a cheap price one can achieve that 'filmic' look and shoot with 'proper' lenses.
£480 can get you a Canon 550D aka T2i or for lucky people in the USA $535
Also DSLR's shoot both NTSC & PAL specs... awesome!

The main issue with DSLR's is AUDIO - total sh*t!... well they are stills cameras NOT video cameras.

First enjoy this INTRODUCTION to MAGIC LANTERN with Trammell Hudson; the guy that created the free hack! (this video is 2yrs old!)

Moving on from the Canon 5D; every video-enabled Canon DSLR can use the ML Hack apart from the Canon 7D - possibly because it has 2 Digic 4 processors. All others have just one processor and the ML guys just can't figure it out.

Zebra Stripes in Magic Lantern Now you can nail exposure every single time!

Magic Lantern Canon 60D + Technicolour Test


Using the Magic Lantern Histogram

Focus Assist with ML This does not look as awesome as it is in real life as he's filming the back of the camera. This function alone makes the FREE Magic Lantern worth it.

There are a ton more functions with Magic lantern.

Ok, one more video on Crop Marks I love using this function.

That's all for now.
 

vince

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No wonder all nollywood efforts look like crap to shyte, especially the quality of the effects. When you have just one editor doing all the post works, you are not going to get the desired result overall, mate. Editors only have the rudimentary expertise in making effects compared to the specialists. I am an editor so i know what i am talking about. I can do quite a few special effects myself. Time warp effect, transitions, colour corrections, compositings, panorama, and so on. But all those are really rudimentary stuffs (that can be done by most editors with any good editing software) when compared to the real effect stuffs that are done with compositing apps like After Effects, Combustion, and Boris Red to name a few. But as long as it is about tough jobs like gunshot effects, they are best left to a special effects software and a special effect artist because they involve much more know-how to make them look real and convincing.
I am talking about the new cinema nollywood which has much higher quality level than the nollywood of old. If you don't have the right budget to make a movie of decent quality, why bother at all?
I'm referring to editing in the context of low to no budget productions(like Nollywood)....all post production is generally done by the editor
Depends on the grade of the effects to be done, the level. Editors are best left to edit while the effect specialists do the effects. Much better quality of effects are achieved that way.
good indie movie editors are well versed in creating their on effects, color correcting, graphics...etc
 
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