How it is made: Let's talk movie efx

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Village-Boi

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No wonder all nollywood efforts look like crap to shyte, especially the quality of the effects. When you have just one editor doing all the post works, you are not going to get the desired result overall, mate. Editors only have the rudimentary expertise in making effects compared to the specialists. I am an editor so i know what i am talking about. I can do quite a few special effects myself. Time warp effect, transitions, colour corrections, compositings, panorama, and so on. But all those are really rudimentary stuffs (that can be done by most editors with any good editing software) when compared to the real effect stuffs that are done with compositing apps like After Effects, Combustion, and Boris Red to name a few. But as long as it is about tough jobs like gunshot effects, they are best left to a special effects software and a special effect artist because they involve much more know-how to make them look real and convincing.
I am talking about the new cinema nollywood which has much higher quality level than the nollywood of old. If you don't have the right budget to make a movie of decent quality, why bother at all?
Thank you very much for that Vince. It is so good to have people like you here that keep us 'grounded'... you say it as it is and we do really have to improve our quality by getting much better 'teams' with the right people for the right job.

A specialist brain surgeon will operate on the brain and not the heart; he leaves that for a heart specialist yet both of them na surgeon! We also need to learn to delegate jobs to the 'specialist' and not be Jack-of-all-trades which is common in filmmaking.
 

vince

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Thank you very much for that Vince. It is so good to have people like you here that keep us 'grounded'... you say it as it is and we do really have to improve our quality by getting much better 'teams' with the right people for the right job.

A specialist brain surgeon will operate on the brain and not the heart; he leaves that for a heart specialist yet both of them na surgeon! We also need to learn to delegate jobs to the 'specialist' and not be Jack-of-all-trades which is common in filmmaking.
Exactly. Filmmaking is a teamwork of many different specialists in their various and respective fields and working together on the same project, all depending on each other's expertise. That is how the new nollywood should be working now, and not one editor doing all the post works making the product at the end of that look like an amateur job. Such nollywood flicks are a thing of the past for me, at least.
 

Kala Lou

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#63
Once again..here's is the original post for this thread...SSergit was asking for alternatives to creating effects..I think the author was looking for "affordable" alternatives. In a perfect world everybody will be able to send our movies to George Lucas' Industrial lights and Magic...but until we gather funds like that there are tips online how to create effects with editing softwares.....sew your coat according to your size...
Watching some Nolly/African movies sometimes, I truly wish they would stop trying to do some silly things like:

  1. pouring dusting powder on a character's head to show 'old age'
  2. putting dark eye shadows to depict 'stress', when it comes off as gothic
  3. wasting ketchup in the quest to create 'blood loss'
  4. using bangers in place of real gun shot sounds
  5. using very fake looking guns, where there are almost-real looking toy guns out there
  6. etc etc

What do you think? What ideas do you have that people can use to make some effects as realistic as possible?

As Nollywood is getting all these international exposure now, how can we at least, make movies that do not look like some kindergarten's Halloween project, in the name of 'effects'

Let's discuss please. Share your ideas. Give it a heading. Share tips. Cheaper alternatives to achieving results.

Especially in the areas of make-up and sound effects.

The clip here is something that would cost as much as $10,000.00 and we know Nolly has not gotten to that stage yet....and for the duration it takes to make that one, very realistic face (one month), is exactly how long a Nollymovie would be shot and edited! lol. We know our people got no patience......
So, what are 'short cuts' ways to almost real - effects?
 

Village-Boi

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#64
Once again..here's is the original post for this thread...SSergit was asking for alternatives to creating effects..I think the author was looking for "affordable" alternatives. In a perfect world everybody will be able to send our movies to George Lucas' Industrial lights and Magic...but until we gather funds like that there are tips online how to create effects with editing softwares.....sew your coat according to your size...
True & that is very understandable sticking to what Ssergit asked. There is nothing wrong going down the 'cheap' alternative. I did make a suggestion (a different thread that I can't remember) - a solution to getting good effects would still be to get a 'specialist' - but how?

One easy way to do so if one has 'access' is get a final year VFX or whatever student to create them as part of his/her showreel, they'd love to do stuff for a 'credit'... you can also pay them a little 'fee'. Or people that just know how to use the software WELL!

They are tons of guys, gals & kids on YouTube & Vimeo doing crazy good stuff... contact them - you don't even have to live in the same country. In a 'perfect world' it's kinda about thinking 'outside the box' to find a solution to a problem. It can be done!

The one-man-band thing at our level never looks good; we could get kudos for 'effort' but it most probably won't look realistic. If we're completely honest with ourselves 99.9% of our 'Nollywood special effects' stuff looks like shit. We need to stop rushing & build the 'right team' of people I think. Nothing wrong in asking for help in order to have a 'much better' product.
 

vince

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#65
Gbam! You get am, VB. The specialists don't have to be expensive. There are dozens upon dozens of such students all over the place ready to show their skills for little to no cash, but for their names to be in the credits only.
True & that is very understandable sticking to what Ssergit asked. There is nothing wrong going down the 'cheap' alternative. I did make a suggestion (a different thread that I can't remember) - a solution to getting good effects would still be to get a 'specialist' - but how?

One easy way to do so if one has 'access' is get a final year VFX or whatever student to create them as part of his/her showreel, they'd love to do stuff for a 'credit'... you can also pay them a little 'fee'. Or people that just know how to use the software WELL!

They are tons of guys, gals & kids on YouTube & Vimeo doing crazy good stuff... contact them - you don't even have to live in the same country. In a 'perfect world' it's kinda about thinking 'outside the box' to find a solution to a problem. It can be done!

The one-man-band thing at our level never looks good; we could get kudos for 'effort' but it most probably won't look realistic. If we're completely honest with ourselves 99.9% of our 'Nollywood special effects' stuff looks like shit. We need to stop rushing & build the 'right team' of people I think. Nothing wrong in asking for help in order to have a 'much better' product.
 

Village-Boi

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#66
Gbam! You get am, VB. The specialists don't have to be expensive. There are dozens upon dozens of such students all over the place ready to show their skills for little to no cash, but for their names to be in the credits only.
Cheers bro, you said something earlier on and it struck me... So I asked myself "Who am I fooling?", I'm guilty of excuses, excuses too. This is 2012 I have to start doing it 'right' or at least 'trying' to do it right or not at all.

A bit I left out by mistake was -
...until we gather funds like that there are tips online how to create effects with editing softwares.....sew your coat according to your size...
If we can't make GOOD action/special effects films... then let's at least get our drama 'coats sized properly'.
 

Kala Lou

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#67
ah.. I too have heard of these millions of film students that do specials effects for free...maybe you should put up their contact info..to help SSergit and other producers looking to improve their movies...
 

Village-Boi

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#68
ah.. I too have heard of these millions of film students that do specials effects for free...maybe you should put up their contact info..to help SSergit and other producers looking to improve their movies...
Practically every Uni that offers any such courses has them. I somertimes use 'students' when I buy software. If I ever become interested in shooting a short that requires special FX I think I'll go down that route if I don't have a team member that is a VFX artist. I think it's an easy way to get something.
 

Village-Boi

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#69
We all remember the 2009 short film posted on Youtube that had Hollywood producers on the filmmakers case within 48Hrs... Landed him a $30M deal.

YouTube Video Leads to Hollywood Contract

It's not too different from ANY of us doing a bit of research and being able to contact people online. In this day & age with a few clicks of the mouse we CAN find information.

Panic Attack (with VFX)


Panic Attack (with no VFX) - This video is pretty awesome to watch just to see how 'plain' the 'actual footage was.

So let's sit up, really think & find solutions to our problems. Any producers needing info should really do a bit of research themselves; I can post 'hints' and always will, but I might not always have 'a solution'. We're just trying to help each other out here.

Even though I've posted this video before in a thread I think Hubscrown was the first member to bring it to NR attention with his thread that I only just found.
 

Kala Lou

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VB I won't be surprised if that clip you put up was made by ONE guy. If one is willing to put in the time, using software to create FX can be learned...You don't have to get a film student to do FX..the film students are learning themselves. Back in the day when I was in a film production class my lecturer told us that if he knew then what he knows now he would have spent all his tuition money on equipments. There are many self taught people doing incredible stuff in the industry. Even in early Nolly flicks editors were creating effects like morphing humans to animals, although the effects looked a little crude, at least they were trying....what is wrong with some of our(Nolly) editors trying to learn how to use these editing softwares to create affordable effects?
 

Village-Boi

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#71
VB I won't be surprised if that clip you put up was made by ONE guy. If one is willing to put in the time, using software to create FX can be learned...You don't have to get a film student to do FX..the film students are learning themselves. Back in the day when I was in a film production class my lecturer told us that if he knew then what he knows now he would have spent all his tuition money on equipments. There are many self taught people doing incredible stuff in the industry. Even in early Nolly flicks editors were creating effects like morphing humans to animals, although the effects looked a little crude, at least they were trying....what is wrong with some of our(Nolly) editors trying to learn how to use these editing softwares to create affordable effects?
True that VFX was probably done by one guy. It can be done, absolutely! I've said in a few posts that it is about us taking the time to learn, there's tons of free stuff online. One issue 'we' have is we don't fully learn what we need to first before outputting stuff proclaiming "We have arrived!"... when in reality it's as shitty as what five-year-olds are doing on their first computer day.

Last year I did some stuff for 'Delta Elections' and the animator lives in America, I've never met him... why did I contact & contract him? I saw his stuff on this site. Yes the 'Mark of Uru' guy... No way was I going to learn animation in 2 weeks which is what it seems 'our' Nollywood VFX guys are doing. Why are 'Nollywood' producers not hiring him when we've all seen his work online? I can only assume they are tight-fisted idiots (I might be wrong). This guy has taken 'time' to learn his craft; so it doesn't have to be a student.
Why did I go with him over a white guy/gal or student? He's Nigerian and knows Nigerian costumes better! And we really should be looking out for each other!

In this day and age anything 'Nollywood crude' needs to stay locked up and in the 'learning folder' of ones computer. I assume the 'producers' are making films to make money? So they should spend some money first (on the right team)!

Can we get 'there'... hell yes! I'm always going to belive we can. You're on the right track because you're thinking about theses things and asking questions... keep it up and maybe someday down the line I'll be hiring YOU to do some VFX or something. (Gonna PM you the animation as it's a 'private video').

EDIT: Ah bummer... it's not letting me 'PM' you!!
 

Kala Lou

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#74
Thanks for the info Oga Sola. She?? Dang! I can never tell who is a guy or gal on this site... I always assumed she was a he. Good to have the gals tech'ing it out as well.
Abeg-o I be guy-o..I even get bia bia...maybe I go use my pishure as my avatar...anyway I still be newbie to NR...I go try figure out this PM thingy...
 

Kala Lou

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#75
True that VFX was probably done by one guy. It can be done, absolutely! I've said in a few posts that it is about us taking the time to learn, there's tons of free stuff online. One issue 'we' have is we don't fully learn what we need to first before outputting stuff proclaiming "We have arrived!"... when in reality it's as shitty as what five-year-olds are doing on their first computer day.

Last year I did some stuff for 'Delta Elections' and the animator lives in America, I've never met him... why did I contact & contract him? I saw his stuff on this site. Yes the 'Mark of Uru' guy... No way was I going to learn animation in 2 weeks which is what it seems 'our' Nollywood VFX guys are doing. Why are 'Nollywood' producers not hiring him when we've all seen his work online? I can only assume they are tight-fisted idiots (I might be wrong). This guy has taken 'time' to learn his craft; so it doesn't have to be a student.
Why did I go with him over a white guy/gal or student? He's Nigerian and knows Nigerian costumes better! And we really should be looking out for each other!

In this day and age anything 'Nollywood crude' needs to stay locked up and in the 'learning folder' of ones computer. I assume the 'producers' are making films to make money? So they should spend some money first (on the right team)!

Can we get 'there'... hell yes! I'm always going to belive we can. You're on the right track because you're thinking about theses things and asking questions... keep it up and maybe someday down the line I'll be hiring YOU to do some VFX or something. (Gonna PM you the animation as it's a 'private video').

EDIT: Ah bummer... it's not letting me 'PM' you!!
To how the FX looks comes down to aesthetics..what may look real to one may not to another..people are still debating Avatar till this day. Just check out the youtube "Mark of Uru" comments...not everyone agrees the animation was good, I thought it was good though, I know how much effort animation takes, I took one semester of "traditional" animation and I still wake up with nightmares of 24 frames per second
 

Sola

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#76
Abeg-o I be guy-o..I even get bia bia...maybe I go use my pishure as my avatar...anyway I still be newbie to NR...I go try figure out this PM thingy...
My apologies. The Hulk should have been the give-away. Girls don't dig the incredible one.

I looked in your profile. You should be good to go.
 

Village-Boi

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To how the FX looks comes down to aesthetics..what may look real to one may not to another..people are still debating Avatar till this day. Just check out the youtube "Mark of Uru" comments...not everyone agrees the animation was good, I thought it was good though, I know how much effort animation takes, I took one semester of "traditional" animation and I still wake up with nightmares of 24 frames per second
Kinda true but 'odd' VFX/Animation looks odd to everyone! Mark of Uru is years old, he's gotten better and keeps practicing. My guy 'we be Nigerians & I can guarantee that not ONE single Naija person slagging him off on YouTube has ANY form of work to show. Once you start showing your work be ready for NIGERIANS to slaughter the hell out of you! Start growing a very thick skin now lol.But you also have to mention the 'positive' comments outweigh the negative one by 50 to 1.

I'm with you on that, in our first year we had to do traditional 'animation' - a 60sec project. Ours was 12fps using practically version 1 Toon Boom - 720 different images... my hand die = NEVER EVER AGAIN!!! I can't draw so I made it easy using 'blob' shapes - well it was called 'Potatoes of the Caribbean' Hahaha.
 
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