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A friend told me about this site and am here to add my little idea...emmm criticism of the Nigerian movie industry.
Yeah, people always talk about how popular the movies are but all the movies I have seen are a bunch of joke and I wonder why a lot of ladies find them interesting... Yes it takes women to sit down and see some of those movies. If any of you will take time to tell me any movies to make me a believer please do tell me cos..naija movies have disgraced me so much among my non african friends..yes they are so bad..

By the way I live in Maryland..
 

Sola

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Md_dude said:
naija movies have disgraced me so much among my non african friends..yes they are so bad..
If you feel so strongly about them, why show them to your non-african friends?

Or why watch them at all?

Tell your non-african friends that it took hollywood more than a 100 years to get where it is today. Tell them to go and look at the first series of movies produced in the first 10 years of hollywood to see how crappy they are. Tell them the industry is only 10 years old.

Oh, you can also tell them that Nigerian movie makers make their movies for Nigerians for now because they understand the conditions under which they are produced. When we get better enough to be world class, the rest of the world can come join the bandwagon.

Welcome to NR :)
 

Pretty Girl

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Sola said:
If you feel so strongly about them, why show them to your non-african friends?

Or why watch them at all?

Tell your non-african friends that it took hollywood more than a 100 years to get where it is today. Tell them to go and look at the first series of movies produced in the first 10 years of hollywood to see how crappy they are. Tell them the industry is only 10 years old.

Oh, you can also tell them that Nigerian movie makers make their movies for Nigerians for now because they understand the conditions under which they are produced. When we get better enough to be world class, the rest of the world can come join the bandwagon.

Welcome to NR :)
Thank you ooh jare Sola for saying that.............Lord knows you it said it right. ;)
 

vince

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Sola said:
If you feel so strongly about them, why show them to your non-african friends?

Or why watch them at all?

Tell your non-african friends that it took hollywood more than a 100 years to get where it is today. Tell them to go and look at the first series of movies produced in the first 10 years of hollywood to see how crappy they are. Tell them the industry is only 10 years old.

Oh, you can also tell them that Nigerian movie makers make their movies for Nigerians for now because they understand the conditions under which they are produced. When we get better enough to be world class, the rest of the world can come join the bandwagon.

Welcome to NR :)
Good reply,sola.
Dude,if anybody ask you where your nollywood is,tell em that it is here to stay and it will get better.
Wellcome onboard.
 
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Md_dude said:
A friend told me about this site and am here to add my little idea...emmm criticism of the Nigerian movie industry.
Yeah, people always talk about how popular the movies are but all the movies I have seen are a bunch of joke and I wonder why a lot of ladies find them interesting... Yes it takes women to sit down and see some of those movies. If any of you will take time to tell me any movies to make me a believer please do tell me cos..naija movies have disgraced me so much among my non african friends..yes they are so bad..

By the way I live in Maryland..

Welcome ooo Md. hmmm
 

solatoks

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Md_dude said:
A friend told me about this site and am here to add my little idea...emmm criticism of the Nigerian movie industry.
Yeah, people always talk about how popular the movies are but all the movies I have seen are a bunch of joke and I wonder why a lot of ladies find them interesting... Yes it takes women to sit down and see some of those movies. If any of you will take time to tell me any movies to make me a believer please do tell me cos..naija movies have disgraced me so much among my non african friends..yes they are so bad..

By the way I live in Maryland..
Welcome to be quite honest what we need here is more than criticism but also praises, opinion etc as you'll find out as you get yourself used to this site. All the same enjoy!
 

Dakha

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Quite right & welcome!

Md_dude said:
A friend told me about this site and am here to add my little idea...emmm criticism of the Nigerian movie industry.
Yeah, people always talk about how popular the movies are but all the movies I have seen are a bunch of joke and I wonder why a lot of ladies find them interesting... Yes it takes women to sit down and see some of those movies. If any of you will take time to tell me any movies to make me a believer please do tell me cos..naija movies have disgraced me so much among my non african friends..yes they are so bad..

By the way I live in Maryland..
UR quite right, it takes women with patience and understanding, and patronizing men to watch some of the trash produced by 9ja filmmakers. Pls note the significant change over the years...some of the movies are really improved. Criticism, no matter how hard, when considered can make things better than defending or justifying ills.
You along with your critcism are most welcome to NR. Go ahead and start a thread....
 
#9
Sola

Sola, I don't believe in re-inventing the wheels...Most of the Nollywood movies are basically drama..For God sake they are drama and it doesn't depend on any form of technology but bad acting and bad script! Are you trying to say that we have to wait over 100 years to know that not maintaining originality/plagarising hollywood movies is all we can come out with? C'mon, that are traits of dumb laziness.

I did my undergrad in Naija and Ife to be precise and I have seen some Play in the theather...Oh my God, those are plays! And they were by students not the so called Professional....Blessed the memory of Professor Ola Rotimi. What am trying to say here is that Nollywood professionals are down right LAZY! With the so called celebrations of their work, I am ashamed to see what they produce.
I saw Sholay, an Indian Movie made in 1975 and I have not seen a Nigerian movie that can be compared in cinematography, acting and directing..This was in 1975 for crying out loud! India was supposed to be like some years ahead of Nigeria at those times.

I won't disagree with the fact that those movies are popular..yes they are..but they are also an epitome of mediocrity at the highest.

I showed the movies to my African american friends when they saw it in my house and they were eager to see an african movie..dang! it was an eyesore.
I am not going to defend the indefensible....Naija movies are crap and it is too early to start celebrating the so called stars..they need to work much hard to even be called that. I can't stand Wannabes- I prefer originalities...
And what is the joke about a $100 ticket to come see some of them comig to DC..I go put sit in front of Washington Times hall slap anybody wey I know wan pay $100 come see mediocrity personified! Bigmomma...if I see yah leg for washington..I go send Pa J/Chenna and the washington Crew to come bulala you...
 

Sola

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Md_dude said:
Sola, I don't believe in re-inventing the wheels...Most of the Nollywood movies are basically drama..For God sake they are drama and it doesn't depend on any form of technology but bad acting and bad script! Are you trying to say that we have to wait over 100 years to know that not maintaining originality/plagarising hollywood movies is all we can come out with? C'mon, that are traits of dumb laziness.

I did my undergrad in Naija and Ife to be precise and I have seen some Play in the theather...Oh my God, those are plays! And they were by students not the so called Professional....Blessed the memory of Professor Ola Rotimi. What am trying to say here is that Nollywood professionals are down right LAZY! With the so called celebrations of their work, I am ashamed to see what they produce.
I saw Sholay, an Indian Movie made in 1975 and I have not seen a Nigerian movie that can be compared in cinematography, acting and directing..This was in 1975 for crying out loud! India was supposed to be like some years ahead of Nigeria at those times.

I won't disagree with the fact that those movies are popular..yes they are..but they are also an epitome of mediocrity at the highest.

I showed the movies to my African american friends when they saw it in my house and they were eager to see an african movie..dang! it was an eyesore.
I am not going to defend the indefensible....Naija movies are crap and it is too early to start celebrating the so called stars..they need to work much hard to even be called that. I can't stand Wannabes- I prefer originalities...
And what is the joke about a $100 ticket to come see some of them comig to DC..I go put sit in front of Washington Times hall slap anybody wey I know wan pay $100 come see mediocrity personified! Bigmomma...if I see yah leg for washington..I go send Pa J/Chenna and the washington Crew to come bulala you...
Just reference what I have told you already up there. If you read this board, you will see that no foreigner can yab our movies more than we do here. We know their shortcomings and insist on them getting better. Let them stick with their hollywood masterpieces. Na there we go grow reach them. Make dem dey abuse us. We go see who go laugh last. Na fear dey grip them say a whole country can survive without dpending on their blockbuster movies to be entertained. We are far from there now, but we will get there.

Any creative person knows that you start creating as a wannabe. You start by imitating those who are better until you improve and get as good as they are. Go and check the hsitroy of musicians and painters and writers and they will tell you they started out copying someone until they found their own voice.

And if you mess around with me in DC, i will beat you into yesterday! :roll
 
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Alright MD welcome home and pls enjoy ur stay a'ight.Oh yeah i live in maryland myself and i watch naija movies.well well cool ideas from u, I understand that ur ashame of what they produce right...but check this out u said " so called celebration of their work" right? I mean is their work not urs u know and if anybody critize or complaim about their work, it shouldn't be you, so please keep up with ur ideas and also understand that ur not being forced to watch their work,but chill home with ur non-African friends and watch their hollywood movies since ur soo proud of all the movies they make.PEACE!!!
 

vince

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I think i can relate a little bit to the dude!But it is a big mistake to put all naija movies in one basket.There are some good ones and more good ones will be produced in the future.
Maybe the dude has been seeing really bad ones in a long succession which is very possible with naija movies.
We will be pointing him to better made movies on this site,that is why we are here. :)
 

Sola

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He came here with a mind made up for him by his foreign friends who have absolutely no idea how our culture works, how we tell our own stories different from the American style. His same friends have not read any Nigerian movies and so they have no idea that our novels are differently written. They love Things Fall Apart because it feeds their fantasies of Africa and Nigeria. He came here with a closed mind and that is why he is getting flamed.

Of course I know many of our movies are crap. But I also saw what was produced at the outset in 92/93 and I see what is being made now. There is no better student than the Nigerian. We learn fast. Fast. Why do you think we whip all his friends in their own classrooms here in America? Why are we always on the Honors list? We are good students.

And because we are good students, we will get better still. Of course his friends will NEVER understand what films we make, since they come from a perspective of prejudice anyhow. Why would anyone compare Hollywood to Nollywood? There is no reason for comparison. No basis. His friends don't even understand movies made in America yet - or they think those cheesy greasy Hollwood blockbusters are the great films from America? Let them go and watch the small movies that come out of nowhere to tell the true stories of the average American. Let them tell me just one title of the 100s of American indies shot on video that they have seen, fine works released striaght to video because they lack the studio backing here in America.

There are Nigerians way better than the empty-heads in Hollywood, yes, maybe just a couple of them. But these guys make movies despite the craziest odds, situations that would have driven the average Hollwood producer into the mental home. These guys tell their stories with the amount a hollywood movie budgets for one month car rental for a hollywood movie star on location. A hollywood movie now costs an average of 100million Dollars, probably more than the budget of Nigeria. Give a Nigerian movie maker that and he will hire all the best brains to gather around him to package a movie that will shame Hollywood. Let him go and read about Nick Mor(on)an who found out the hard way that the Nigerian filmmaker is also the costumier, make up guy, set designer, driver, continuity man, scriptwriter, etc., simply because the system is just evolving and all these talents are just rising to supplement the business.

What? Can his friends criticize the Nigerians more than Nigerians? There is nothing he can say that we have not said to ourselves already. He should go and see our press and see how we are very vocal. We make crappy movies, but we also make some that are getting good and will become better someday. We're not re-inventing the wheel. Why do you think we need the wheel, just because hollywood used it? Is there another way to tell a story? Maybe we will not know until we have tried it. It is slow? Well, we speak English as a second language so we speak slow. Let his friends come and make movies in Nigeria in Yoruba or Igbo and let's see how they fare. We are making our own wheels that is applicable to our society and culture.

The Indians? India was watching silents as far back as 1896. By 1912, they'd started making movies. You think Sholay in the 70s was the beginning? They produced a lot of junk before Sholay. Let's not even start a lecture on Bollywood becasue both countries walked different paths.

Hollywood has crappy actors and they receive more raves any day than the solid ones. It is the fine face that matters, not the movie. Can Tom Cruise hold a candle to Daniel Day-Lewis? Can Arnold Schwarzzeneneger who was making $25m at some point act as good as Sean Penn who still makes peanuts today? There will always be solid stage actors and the crappy movie pros, but it is the people with the personality that clicks with the movie buyers that will become stars, whether you like it or not.

My point? I am an apologist for Nigerian movies, not because I do not see the crap also, but because I am an informed observer and I see that they are sloooooooooowly getting better.

And time is on our side. I mean what's the rush? We're not in competition with Hollywood. SO let Hollywood thrive even as our boys thrive. Welcome to Naijarules buddy!
 
#14
Elvis and Sola

I will take time to reply you here!

Elvis:

I won't take your escapist path and because of the fact that I see what is being produced in Nigeria as inadequate that means I should abandon it. Yes I am not a conformist and if that is that path you wanna take, yeah! Good for you. I am not going to celebrate any form of mediocrity in guise of blind patriotism. Patriotism doesn’t mean you cant criticize, I am not sold to any idea of sycophancy. If you call yourself a professional you should produce something good enough to be seen in that light of what you call yourself. People irk me that because I criticized Nigerian movies then I must be only sold to life in the west. That is bullcrap! How come the actors I saw when I was in College on live stage turn crap in the movies? Where are the directors that made it possible that those live plays were the in thing in college? Are these crap movies the best Nollywood can come out with? I think we have to put things in perspectives. I have seen better to ask for more.

I said in an earlier thread that I saw “Sholay”, an Indian movies made in 1975 and I saw the technical details, acting and even the effects and we cant even match that in 2004. Is that what you want me not to criticize? This is not rocket science my friend! Nigerian movies are no more consumed locally again. Outside the mainstream American movie rental store I am sure you can grab a copy so I think the quality should reflect the popularity.

Most of these movies are drama…with good script and directing, a lot of people shouldn’t have any business criticizing the movies. Some of the mistakes in these movies are rudimentary, that make them annoying. Some of the acting are out- rightly bad, directing- absolutely woeful and cinematography – eyesore.

Sola:

That Nigerian movies are produced for internal viewing only is a farce. Why are they being viewed everywhere in Africa and they are commonplace around even in Washington area Caribbean and African stores. The movie actors coming to Washington to promote their work shows how much they want recognition. Recognition for what? For mediocrity? For acting bad script? I am not down with indulging bad work and if you guys think that is how you roll… good for you. Encouraging someone is not tantamount to praising the indefensible. I don’t think Hollywood is being threatened by Nigerian movies at all. It is like a gap between death and life- It is that wide. I am a student of history (not in literary sense) and I have taken time to read lives of great people and their work. Even great powers. The improvement I have seen in Nollywood since 1992 are basically cosmetics, no real substance. They commit the so much faux pas that if not for the fact that African people don’t have a better substitute should have been thrown into the backwater of history. Most of these issues are not about technology! They are plain skills that are learnt or could be learnt in school. If Nigeria can produce as much IT people that can hold their own anywhere in the world why not in entertainment? I am not going to compare us to Hollywood, have you seen the movies being produced by Bollywood? Some of the Nigerian scripts and movies don’t work with logic… they are anti-logic and they don’t add up. I think we doing more to hurt this industry by our “shrining” of their work especially for a lot of us that have seen well and know better.
If a director doesn’t know that you cant use same car within a 20 year period looking mint then I don’t know what else to say! If the likes of RMD. Tokunbo Ajai, Antar Laniyan and the rest of those Village headmaster cast/Checkmate could afford to allow the movie industry to get that bad.

O,boi! DC police no go fit rescue you by the time I commot hand from you..dem go ask u wish trailer you jam for Hospital :imp
 
#15
Sola

Ok..we taking off the gloves now!

I think you should take sometimes to read what I wrote. I am sure I don’t have to talk about comprehension deficiency here (no pun intended). Yes I have my friends criticizing Nigerian movies not the culture or the content in there but the cinematography, directing and acting. I am sure those ones transcend boundaries and beliefs these are purely rudimentary stuff. Yes I wont be their apologist cause those things are somethings that aren’t excusable. Who cares what kind of culture they portraying but things are supposed to add up…isn’t it? To say am close-minded because I have a legitimate criticism shows lot of escapist tendencies. You must be open minded for you to allow those kind of crap and excuse them. They are not excusable at all. If that is the thinking of us black people/African people I bet we might find ourselves in the same place we are 1000 years from now. I don’t accept and cordon mediocrity...like I wrote earlier if that is how you roll...I wish you all the best.

If you have taken you time and open your mind to see these movies you would have known that a lot of things are wrong with them. Is directing a movie a nuclear science? Sola, I think being a sycophant for naija movies is nothing but heralding the death knell. I don’t know how much of involvement you have in it but the issues with Naija movies are fundamental.

I care less under the conditions these movies were made. If they are focused on EXCELLENCE then they will know how to go about it. And that is my Beef! If the fact that the fundamentals of making movies are repeatedly breached and the practitioners are calling themselves “STARS” and people are dancing to their tunes….it is the height of crass opportunism.

I was at PIT Theater at Ife so many times when I did my undergrad there and saw lot of live acting. I can categorically tell you THOSE NAIJA MOVIES ARE CRAPS and those are no budget plays so to say!

How long has Nigerians being acting? As far as I know, Indian independence was in the 40s...don't know how you want me to belive they start MOVIE production since 1900. And if you tell me acting is new to Nigeria then I will tell you that is not true. Though the likes of Ogunde popularized it in the 60s (even with their musical career), acting is not a foreign act. As at mid 70s and mid 80s Nigeria is actually one of the known country in celluloid...If you remember very well acting and production is nothing new in Nigeria with the First TV station (WNTV), so Nollywood has a basis and history of film making/Production in Nigeria didnt start 12 year ago.
 
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Vince

Trust me I see Nigerian Movies as many as they come. I am not talking from vague experience. Definitey I dont buy them, but I know people that will search through the lenght and breadth of DC area to get a new naija movie. So am always getting them and using them as my sleeping pills when I got nothing to do.

I am talking about the Norms here not those one in 100 movie that come out. Most Nigerian comedies are not in this category because they sound very original (most times) thanks to Nkem Owoh! I mean the mainstream and the out of the way so called action movies. They are a bad taste in the mouth and they should be sued for eyesore.
 

Sola

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#17
Keep the gloves on. We're just having an intelligent debate. A little rib=poking is not out of place.
Md_dude said:
How come the actors I saw when I was in College on live stage turn crap in the movies? Where are the directors that made it possible that those live plays were the in thing in college?
You obviously can't tell the difference between stage and video, so you assume having the talents to excel in one automatically means you will excel in the other. No, that is not how it works.

Md_dude said:
I said in an earlier thread that I saw “Sholay”, an Indian movies made in 1975 and I saw the technical details, acting and even the effects and we cant even match that in 2004.
As I said earlier, you may know some history, but when it comes to the movies, you don't know jack about history. Refer to what I said earlier about Bollywood and cease comparing Sholay to any Nigerian fare. They are worlds apart.

Md_dude said:
Nigerian movies are no more consumed locally again. Outside the mainstream American movie rental store I am sure you can grab a copy so I think the quality should reflect the popularity.
Popularity of any product reflects how the target market identifies with it and love it. If these movies are considered popular by you, it just may be that they speak to the market it is made for - and you are not in that market range either because you have lived here too long and the West as assimilated you, so you do not see any redeeming value in the products. In addition, all the movies you grab here in the US are pirated and not officially shipped abroad by the filmmakers. They also do not make any money from it. So why should they care what you think of their movies? You don't give them any money? You promote pirates by patronising them, so why should the filmmaker i Nigeria be bursting his chops to please you by wanting to produce works that will trip your MTV-minded friends? Send the Dollars home to them and they will start making movies you want to see. They will be able to afford Hollywood type education in all the relevant arts.

Md_dude said:
Most of these movies are drama…with good script and directing, a lot of people shouldn’t have any business criticizing the movies. Some of the mistakes in these movies are rudimentary, that make them annoying. Some of the acting are out- rightly bad, directing- absolutely woeful and cinematography – eyesore.
Okay, good point. I'm glad you did say "Some" - there is no apology for this. I will not contest it.

Md_dude said:
The movie actors coming to Washington to promote their work shows how much they want recognition. Recognition for what? For mediocrity? For acting bad script?
Read the press release again. They are NOT coming. They were invited...All of them, by a company based here, a company working on this end to ensure you stop buying those pirated movies you watch, a company trying to see how the money from the movies can go back home to them so that they can package better movies. After all, soup wey sweet, na kudi kill am. Na you invite them. Na jeje dem sidon for Naija. :)

Md_dude said:
I don’t think Hollywood is being threatened by Nigerian movies at all.
Buddy, you have no idea of the drama playing out right here and now, in your presence... No idea friend. In most parts of Nigeria and Africa today, they will rather watch a Nigerian movie than a hollywood fare. Same goes for many African homes in the Diaspora (aside of yours I know). Revolutions have a beginning and if you don't see what is happening and can happen still, then you really have been reading the wrong histroy books.

Md_dude said:
The improvement I have seen in Nollywood since 1992 are basically cosmetics, no real substance. They commit the so much faux pas that if not for the fact that African people don’t have a better substitute should have been thrown into the backwater of history. Most of these issues are not about technology! They are plain skills that are learnt or could be learnt in school.
Grudgingly, I partly agree. We can improve FASTER.

Md_dude said:
I think we doing more to hurt this industry by our shrining of their work especially for a lot of us that have seen well and know better.
What would you have us do? Turn our backs on our own? Have you never read? You do not throw the baby out with the bath water. The fact that we have seen better does not mean we should - like you - refuse to see ANY GOOD in what we package. List the movies you have seen and we will tell you if you have been walking the woods. What have you seen so far? How many? One? Five? Or do you conclude all is crap and just hiss like a snake? And who is to determine what is better? Hollywood? What yardsticks? Or you think technical quality is what makes a movie better than others?

Md_dude said:
Is directing a movie a nuclear science?
As a matter of fact, it is a lot more complicated than that. You think you're only required to use one side of your brain when you direct a movie? Gbogbo ara l'ogun! Believe, it is a lot more complicated than your nuclear science which follows a straight forward linear path. Complications dey plenti!

Md_dude said:
O,boi! DC police no go fit rescue you by the time I commot hand from you..dem go ask u wish trailer you jam for Hospital
Dat DC wey you dey take dat ya oporopo mouth talk, na me and you go wear same shokoto for the place. By the time I finish with you, na both of us dem go carry go dump for MMA - because 2nd World War go be like joke when pain jam you for bodi. (Ah, me self get mouth o!)
 

Sola

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#18
M-Dude, let me say my last word on this and move on.

You have a lot of valid points, incontestable points, but read these forums carefully and you will see there is NOTHING you can say that we have not said already in the more than 22000 posts here. Your foreigner friends, I insist, cannot yab us more than we yab ourselves, so make dem go meshionu (or how dem they spell am sef)? Been there, done that. The yabis no pain us because we don abuse ourself first, well well sef. You're new, so you have not read some of our scathing comments.

What you're doing that I argue with is the total rubbishing of an EMERGING industry. No, that is not acceptable. No matter how many BAD you have in there, ALL of them cannot be bad. Some of them indeed are doing impressive and improving work. That is my contention.

America - in more than 200 years of democracy - is excelling in so many fields, not just in the movies. The movies are just growing at per with their developments in medicine, science, education, etc. Name one area in which Nigeria is truly excelling in more than 40 yrs of democracy? Just one. (No, forget all of us based abroad. We're not in contention). Look at Nigeria and name one thing that we are totally speeding ahead? Govt is jaundiced. We can't run our own country. Water no dey. Electricity na wahala. Our oil dey choke us for neck and we need oyinbo man to come and help us extract it. The cocoa we had has been penuried. Education...Na so-so closure. Banks dey collapse daily. Our image abroad speaks of corruption, mismanagement, fraud, confusion, tribal politics, etc.

So why do you - amidst this state of anarchy and cacophony - expect the movie industry to be reacting as if it is not emerging from within the degenrative embrace of the Nigerian environment? Why do you expect a miracle from that industry and compare it with the rest of the developed worlds when you do not compare our medical schools or facilities and our government and other things?

You're looking at issues myopically, and there are much larger things to address. We have no culture of excellence as a people. We only excel as individuals...at home and abroad. For instance, Rick Famuyiwa (The Wood, etc) is a Nigerian. His movie did great at the American box office. Adewale Akinuoye-Agbaje (Adebisi of Oz, also The Mummy Returns and The Bourne Identity) is a Nigerian actor. He acts great, but there is nothing he acts that Antar Laniyan will not do just as well. And yet, you rubbish the likes of Antar Laniyan just because he is not based abroad! Our doctors, lawyers, sportsmen, IT specialists...we only appreciate them when they have moved abroad. We do not care for what we have grown in our own backyard.

What you consider RUBBISH is rooted in so many other factors and it is a near miracle that it is breaking forth and inspiring itself to get better by the day, in spite of the odds against it. And the odds are so vast...so vast brother...

Tell your friends we know of the shortcomings they speak of. Tell them Rome did not emerge overnight. Tell them the disorder in the industry responsible for the wishy-washy jobs you speak are being worked on and the continuous shaking will give us an industry we can be prouder of. You will never get rid of the crap, no. Every industry drags its dregs along. But the great ones will shine right out of the junk and you will recognise them. Of the about a 1000 movies Hollywood releases annually, how many do you watch and can say is memorable? The quality will emerge out of the junk. Let them make the junk...That is how you learn. By doing and doing and doing again. Make all the mistakes now...The quality will emerge. Maybe then, your friends will still laugh and you will be the one politely telling them to go jump off the nearest cliff.

Be well buddy.
 
#19
Ok Sola:

I like your way of taking points and by the time I finish with you... you go make me a moderator make i dey bash naija movies day by day.. :imp

You know quite well that play is way more difficult to direct than Movies. you are constraint by so much..why u think Play actors are regarded more highly in true professional sense than the movie actors..Thank God for the glitz of the TV camera, most play actors have made it into the TV screen with no problem but it isnt true in the reverse mode. I am not into re-inventing the wheels and i will reiterate that again. If you claiming that movie practitioners in Nigeria today will take over 60 years to get to the level of Bollywood while Ogunde and Babasala of the 80s were doing something close to what was being done then, God save us all. I still rememver seeing "Orunmoru", "Mosebolatan" and some other flicks then...are you saying it was some aliens that directed those movies? Forget about the technology and the stunts of those movies. Werent those compared to "sholay" of 1975? I am using those as an example to tell you that the issue is not just the technology- I understand all those limitations too but in the acting and directing. would like to see you coming excuses for that. So make u question my sense of history and its details and make i send some cyber-ikuku come yah end!

I still insist that Nollywood is doing nothing to Hollywood at all. If Bollywood that feed at least over 1 billion populations (that is 1/3 of the world population) cannot shake hollywood..I wonder what Nollywood can do with all its attendant quality problems. You have to understand that Africa is not the focus of hollywood before, but Bollywood. So Nollywood aint gat nothing on hollywood in 100 years until a lot of things change.

Sola, the difference between me and you is not to celebrate Nollywood mediocrity but to bash it to high heavens...yeah! when am talking to a Non Nigeria, I see it as a matter of national duty to defend it-whatever nationality I claim or will ever claim, my soul and spirit claim Nigeria- but I will not tolerate the shrining among my fellow kontriman of substandard quality products.

Soon u go tell me say that movie making, directing and acting na act of GOD! Abi camera angle and all that must be learnt by genetic implant abi? C'mon man! That Nollywood comes out as cheap and affordable because of the death of real movies in Nigeria doesnt take the fact away that that is not the limit of our experience…we have had better.

Talking about Piracy, it is not my prerogative to be chasing around people who are in bootleg industry. Every country suffer from it and I dont think by now the proportion of money made in the movie industry in Nigeria is not even proportional to the quality output of those movies. Like most Nigeria-based endeavour, people are quick to chase quick profit than lasting one. Or you think an hollywood producer and financier that invested millions of dollars and time into a movie is stupid...he knows that a well made movie can fetch him over a billion dollar.

Oga Sola, as far as I know. Directing, cinematography and acting are no psychic act. They are things learnt in school. I am in the IT industry and by the time you telling me directing/acting is much more complex than what I have met in my field... I wonder what genius of people are in hollywood then. I think if you taken time to rad my post well u must have seen that the least thing I criticize Nollywood for is technical details...Oga Sola, I am talking about the rudimentary acting and directing..is that too much to ask for and that is the NORM(good movies in Nollywood is a BIG exception.Rarity!) What is there to defend?

I like sparing with you but I am of the opinion you are too much ofa believer in Nollywood and jsut an incurable optimist in the industry. Yep, I could have been like you but I have waited too long to see no notable changes in the industry but worshiping of money and mediocre actors.
See this in this context: Remember how Indian movies were so popular in the 70s and 80s in Nigeria. Assuming a country like South Africa decide to develop her movie industry or a country like Botswana...and challenge Nollywood in the sphere of only Southern and East Africa (which has the largest number English speaking countries in africa) what will happen to Nollywood? Hypothetically speaking, the influence of Nollywood will decrease especially if they still rolling out the crap they rolling out today. If they cant make an improvement now when are they gonna make it? Now, Indian movies are no more as popular as they used to be because they did not address the african theme and people want something they can relate to day by day. They have lost the african market effectively to Nollywood. I have seen these happenng to different industries in the world and when people start shrining I will roll out my criticism drum. enuff said
 

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Been nice bantering with you MD_Dude. But don't ambush me for MD o. I get shakabula egba o! And I don swallow my dangerful pill o! A wise is good for the word, abi? :)
 
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