Is Nollywood losing Tunde Kelani (TK)?

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Sola

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The Maverick said:
Nonetheless, I strongly believe that we can arrange and organize ourselves and harness the immerse resources and payoff of the industry.
Money always splits Nigerians.

We even waste our time asking the pwers that be to get their acts together. Let them not bother jare. Better organised people are quietly working in the background and setting things up. Right in front of their eyes, they will lose their livelihood out of greed. I know the producers that took their money without delivering movies promised pushed them to this, but they are abusing their power same way as the producers screwed up in the past. Time is on Nollywood's side.
 

angeleyez

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Crazy T said:
Parapo literarily means; "come together" in Yoruba language. So if a Yoruba man produces an English film, the English marketers will see him/her as odd man. Because (to them) Yoruba should only produces Yoruba films.

This is stupidity because if a youruba person should only face yoruba then ibo should only face ibo. I hope they understand that english is everyone's second language and not just Ibo or are they trying to say they speak better english in movies than yorubas or what in the world are they trying to tell us here, I'm confused.:confused:
 

angeleyez

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#66
kolinzo said:
I am for one Nigerian, One nation but with what has been going on there in Lagos, i'm not impressed. Yoruba indigene can't get any chance in EMG, and this includes directors(where they are better), script writers(where they are better), producers etc. Not to talk of the way they portray Ibo culture, strictly, in their movies when you have other cultures. I mean if worse comes to worst who's gonna lose? I mean I watch EM because they are naija but the truth needs to be told that there is tribalism going on! It's everywhere in Naija!

I have ghanian friends that will watch a yoruba movies any time any day because they prefer the acting.

We are complaing about white discriminating against blacks and here we go with this nonsense of yoruba/ibo vs. english speaking.

Personally, I don't care who comes to nollywood to take over whether Chinese, Japanese, Indians or Americans as long as these marketers, EMG or YMG, gets to learn a hard lesson. Just like Sola said, when it comes to money Nigerians are as blind as a bat, they can't see jack robinson for ****.
 

rudeboy

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#67
Yoruba films cannot sell in Iweka rd, Onitsha and Pound rd, Aba. If AMACO refuse to market Eku Ida, dat one na racism abi tribalism?
 

jibironk

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#68
I can understand if the movie produced by a Yoruba director is not subtitled in english and the dialogue is 100% Yoruba.... I can understand if the Ibo marketers refuse to market it. But in a situation where 90 percent of the dialogue is in English and the 10% that is in yoruba is effectively subtitled, i think its is ludicrous for the ibo marketers to still say "the movie is made by a Yoruba man and i will not market it because of that" The English is the same for goodness sake. And like someone rightfully pointed out, English is our second language.

Quality should be our major goal in nollywood. As a matter of fact, its my fervent belief that movies that protrays rich cultures/traditions and historical heritage ,be it yoruba or ibo or hausa e.t.c, come out better than other movies. If a yoruba man can make quality movies, and portray his rich heritage in the movie, i don't think that should stop the ibo people from marketing the movie. As long as he make the dialogue to be universal (English) and if not universal he/she had better do an exceptional subtitling job.

What do you think?
 

Dsampler

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#71
...so, NR ppl. you still dey blame the marketers alone for nollywood's problems?

I'll say there's enough blame to go around...

blame the marketers
blame the tribalists
blame the corrupt producers
blame the greedy actors/actresses
blame the pirates
blame the govt. (no reliable bussiness surpport services e.g. electricity)
blame! blame! balme! & blame away all u want.

thruth remains...many (not all) Nigerians lack discipline & integrity. Dat's what you are witnessing in nollywood right now.
 

jibironk

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Dsampler said:
...so, NR ppl. you still dey blame the marketers alone for nollywood's problems?

I'll say there's enough blame to go around...

blame the marketers
blame the tribalists
blame the corrupt producers
blame the greedy actors/actresses
blame the pirates
blame the govt. (no reliable bussiness surpport services e.g. electricity)
blame! blame! balme! & blame away all u want.

thruth remains...many (not all) Nigerians lack discipline & integrity. Dat's what you are witnessing in nollywood right now.
Dsampler, you are right. I don't care what oyinbo comes into Nollywood and setup a good distribution system as long as he employees Nigerians run some part of the system, betteryet, employee nigerians to transport the movies from point A to point B, he's in trouble. The transporter can get another deal from the pirate boys and sell them one copy before he reaches his destination. I strongly suggest we should fix nollywood distribution system ourselves. People should start sweaing oath or something. Something to make a simple courier man that's transporting movies to be loyal to the newly developed system. Unless the oyinbo people comes into nigeria with enough Oyinbo people to transport the movies to different destinations themselves, he's going to have problems. Why? because a typical Nigerian wants to rip you off and that's why we have pirates all over the place. they want to rip off the filmmakers.

The distribution system is on FIRE, needs to be extinguished and sanitized. Ha kini mon so( what i'm i saying) There's no fire, jo because they don't never have or had a distribution system. It,s SAD!!
 

kolinzo

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#73
Meddeen250 said:
How many times have the Yorubas showed other cultures and ethnicities in their movies? The Yoruba movies are made solely for Yoruba people, that's why they don't speak any other language expect Yoruba. The only reason people are complaining about the Ibos not showing other cultures in their movies is because they have the bigger international market. Let the Yoruba marketers produce their own movies in English and promote their culture all they want.
I'm glad you got the purpose of making Yoruba movies right- making them solely for Yoruba pple. However, you got the rest wrong mehn. It is called E-M-G not I-M-G, which means everybody, irrespective of tribes, should be allowed to act since we can all speak ENGLISH. EMG is more for the general which means they shouldn't be limited to just Ibo. If you read the link very well, you will realize there is discrimination going on in the E-M-G. That's the problem!! Some Ibo marketers carry Yoruba movies. Read the thread opened by vince about OJ spreading his wings to YMG, that's very smart of him! Over on the YMG side, discrimination has its limit. I've seen a lot of Ibo actors who speak Yoruba really good got YM scripts as a major character, but it is the other way around with EMG. And who told you that Yoruba marketers are complaining? They don't give a hoot about going oversea, they are more concerned about west Nigeria. Anyway, my point is that EMG is discriminating. It is evident!!
 

kolinzo

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jibironk said:
I can understand if the movie produced by a Yoruba director is not subtitled in english and the dialogue is 100% Yoruba.... I can understand if the Ibo marketers refuse to market it. But in a situation where 90 percent of the dialogue is in English and the 10% that is in yoruba is effectively subtitled, i think its is ludicrous for the ibo marketers to still say "the movie is made by a Yoruba man and i will not market it because of that" The English is the same for goodness sake. And like someone rightfully pointed out, English is our second language.

Quality should be our major goal in nollywood. As a matter of fact, its my fervent belief that movies that protrays rich cultures/traditions and historical heritage ,be it yoruba or ibo or hausa e.t.c, come out better than other movies. If a yoruba man can make quality movies, and portray his rich heritage in the movie, i don't think that should stop the ibo people from marketing the movie. As long as he make the dialogue to be universal (English) and if not universal he/she had better do an exceptional subtitling job.

What do you think?
Well as you have read, they don't market movies made by Yoruba man! Thunderbolt is way, and i mean WAY, better than 98 percent of this English homvies. Guess what, it didn't get a market because the director is a Yoruba man! smokin:
 

kolinzo

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angeleyez said:
This is stupidity because if a youruba person should only face yoruba then ibo should only face ibo. I hope they understand that english is everyone's second language and not just Ibo or are they trying to say they speak better english in movies than yorubas or what in the world are they trying to tell us here, I'm confused.:confused:
God bless you. You are catching on!
 

kolinzo

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bluestocking said:
But wasnt there a time they said that there was a mafia, a delta and edo mafia of directors? Those are not Igbos are they?
To be honest with you, i'm a major critic of the nigerian movie industry as a whole, be it EMG o or YMG, if you ask me honestly, i daresay it's a load of crap. You hardly can find any real good quality movie and it's getting worse by the day. There's hardly any professionalism and it's a kind of an all-comers affair. Until the sector is sanitized it cant move forward. But if we want to criticize let's not say, it's the marketers that causing the wahala, cos if the truth be told they are not the only ones. They dont write the scripts do they? they dont act and they are not all the directors too, it's a general problem that needs to be adressed.
Look like i've said it's time for us as nigerians to move away from all these ethnic crap, cos only then can we move ahead as a nation. The idea that once people dont accept you or the way you the do things is simply because they're being tribalistic will not take us anywhere.
C'mon Bluestocking, did you also notice that the so called Edo and delta directors gave most of the G8 their names? It is evident that the EMG discriminate to the core! I'm not only talking about the marketers here, I'm talking about the whole EMG.
 

kolinzo

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Oyinkan said:
:fing02: dats what im talking,

one nigeria, im tired of hearin all all dis stupid tribalism.

but kolinzo, its not only the igbos same goes to yoruba ive complained times without number of seein all dis yoruba movies havin storyline dat is limited to the yoruba community, is there even such thing as a yoruba community, we got igbos, edos, hausa in our community, for example the recent generation of ma family ive all been engaging in inter-marriage with edos igbos urhobo and the likes, and its not only limited to ma family, u see many families dis days with different tribes in same family. Yoruba movies neva portray dis, its all about yoruba what the heck?
they all gotta start portrayin the real nigeria with ethnic diversity, when are we goin to live wif and accept our diversity in harmony and unity and try to make our community diversity as an advantage to us rather than disadvantage, to form a stong everlasting nigeria culture?
Okay Oyinkan, you have have some observations right there. Only that your observations can not be achieved by Yoruba movies. I mean, you want the YMG to portray different tribes, like hausa, and speak Yoruba! That does not complement the hausa culture does it! That is why EMG is there, it is for general.
 

Dsampler

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#79
I smell the beginning of the end for Nollywood. This is because tribalism problems don't never just go away in Nigeria.

I predict real quality movie makers around the world (including Hollywood) are sitting & waiting patiently for the right time to jump in & take over with serious amount of the almighty dollar power.
U know what that means - all these no-talent producers, marketers, actors/actresses, & the rest of these clowns are going to start looking for real job. They don't belong in the busines in the first place.

e.g of new movies to come start coming out of nollywood- remember "Mississipi Masala" staring Denzel Washington?
 

grafikdon

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#80
GOD PLEASE FORGIVE ME BUT... I THINK BLACK PEOPLE HAVE A SPECIAL CASE OF MENTAL DISORDER. Look around the world and show me one SINGLE stable black nation...NONE! I think only Ghana and Trinidad are just about the only ones that could hold their own when it comes to statbility..please someone prove me wrong.

The moment we look at people and see people instead of tribes, only then shall we begin to grow up as a nation. I believe our main concern should be quality and not tribe...but hey, that's the good ol' twisted Naija for you where NOTHING WORKS.

It is really a shame that people always heap the blame on white men when actually we are the architects of our doom. After watching Hotel Rwanda, I had to cover my head in shame when I heard someone blame the west. The west? For [insert the abominable expletive] what? I am still trying to recover from the effect of the embarrassment that struck me that day...too back the ground refused to yield to my request..."Open up and lemme in!".

The best way to iron this thing out is not by running away from the problem, rather it is by setting up a 'multi tribal' distribution network. By this I mean some youruba and igbo people( who actually have a passion for film making, not just some buy-and-sell-pocket-profit-*****-quality kinda guys) floating a well organized distribution outfit. I guess that will take awhile but it will surely pull a couple of bones outta the gatecrashers.

I gotta tell ya, I have a friend who's uncle happens to be a well known marketer...could you believe this bast*** calls the stars 'Those boys that work for me'. What an arrogant piece of smelly oozy turd! How can we get anywhere with such sickening display of arrogance?... I have finally realized why God did not give me those kinda powers that I thought I had... unlike God, I wouldn't give much second chance 'cause some peole just think with their groin, and no matter what you do, they will remain adamant and swim in the pool of their arrogance and spiritual indolence.

Only some kinda divine intervention can save us 'cause it seems like no matter what we do, there will always be the much dreaded tribal sentiments...

If ya get me pissed, I will just go on anger strike and Marry me a Trini gal...all ye Naija and ya tribalgate... I taya o.
 
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