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Discussion in 'NEWS, BOOKS, CULTURE' started by Simisola, Nov 10, 2008.
Bros u no well at all!
no... i know many strippers that i can confidently vouch for when i say they never sold vag.
and i don't think that the percentage of those that do it is necessarily higher than those that do.
of course, when it depends on what you say by "done anyone for money"... because technically, ALL kinds of "regular" girls (who are neither strippers nor prostitutes) do guys for money.
personally, i am referring to a straight-up commercial sex transaction.
don't worry about feeling sorry for them... some of those girls make more in 3 months than you probably make in a year!
....of course...they can reel out their life history for U na...including the life they lived before they either met U or became 'big time' strippers...they never worked their way up na...they just came off the street into the limelight...and GBAM!!They start making enough money to satisfy ALL the needs that got them to start stripping in the first place....and nobody..NOT ONE MAN on this planet ever made a proposition they could never resist....dude....cut the naivity...strap these girls to a lie-detector test and read between the graph...
just curious here... this conviction you stand so strongly by: are you saying it by casual assumption or from a place of experience/research?
TS, I dont feel sorry for them because of the monetary benefit... If I choose to, I can make more than I make right now..All depends on the long term benefit to quality of life lateron and a long range view of one's career...Dammit, laundry boys/girls in the oil rigs in Australia earn over 100k per annum working less than half the year, electrician and builders here in Aust earn more than post-graduates.
I feel sorry about how low one can get to make money...using your body rather than your brains, totally abused by someone and dumped with absolutely no affection...I just look at them and feel sorry. No matter how tough one tend to make themselves sound/look...everyone needs some luvin'rolly:
this is where the misconception comes in. two questions for you:
1. why is making money with your body rather than your brain considered "stooping low" for you? construction workers, manual laborers, athletes, models... all of these could be said to make money with their bodies. should they also be ashamed or pitied for what they do?
besides, i would say that a good prostitute DOES use her brains abundantly in her work. i won't go into details but it's a bit more than just lying there and spreading your legs.
2. why do you say they are "abused by someone and dumped with no affection"? this is a stereotype and a misconception about prostitutes and it largely is not true... especially in a place like Amsterdam where prostitution is legal and regulated by the government, and prostitutes are unionized and receive benefits.
over there particularly, prostitutes are not drug addicts getting smacked up and forced to sell pussy by some pimp. they are women who see the field as a valid career choice.
as for them not receiving affection from their customers... they're not there LOOKING for affection. it's not part of the job! if anything, it's often the customer who comes in looking for affection.
furthermore, you would find that a lot of these girls have boyfriends and very normal, loving relationships outside of their work, so you don't have to feel sorry for them or worry about whether or not they are getting their "luvin'"
TS u ought to be have been a lawyer; u have a way of making feeble point look powerful. Nevertheless, I think what Aust_Nne is trying 2 say is that those beautiful strippers are defining their body which ought to be the temple of God. She is coming from a religious point of view and I assume her extremely correct.
Thinking from ur *civilized* point of view almost contradicted my view. Civilization doesnt change what the scripture says.
ah... but you must not remember that not everybody believes in your scripture, though... some of us even believe your scripture is a bunch of baloney. so a "civilized" view is a much more universal and reasonable stance to take.
....it may not be clinical research but I'm certain of what I speak..the only strippers that may refrain from such acts may be those who've been in the industry a while and have seen it all....so it's less of a big deal to'em...and U can spot'em when U see'em....there are others that are rookies in the business,impressionable and excited when they first get in...dogs can smell fresh meat and will offer anything to get it...may not be as cheap as your typical streetwalker(and it may...sometimes) but an agreement can be easily transacted...
...all this one U're talking about...these girls make in 3 months what others make in a year...maybe so...but did it all happen in one night?U sabi how long it took them to get there?U sabi what they had to do along the way before they stumbled upon that exclusive club?do U think they get to keep all that money they make on stage?Do U realise that they also have to pay the club they're dancing in a percentage of their earnings?Some may make really good money on the weekends...and not so great during the week...but they still got to pay up.The ones U're referring to are probably the ones that work in the elite nightclubs and if the club is so great,they'll have a lot of girls,tending the primarily the same # of clientelle...so they ALL can't possibly make the same type of money...if U count 10 stripjoints in a city randomly,maybe 1 or 2 may be considered 'elite',the others are standard or substandard...hence the likelihood of many of those strippers making 6-figure income is less.Not to mention that certain days of the month,they can't perform..feel me?It's not impossible to think that the ones U met,at the ones U knew them,may have garnered enough money in the business NOT to need to prostitute themselves..true....but I can still tell U this...it boils down to what's being offered dude....a woman who's all about the money's always willing to negotiate if the right offer comes along...some are more discreet and careful,for instance,they may want to be sure U're not a cop(maybe she's been busted before)..there's a lot of reasons people do or chose when to do stuff..I could go on....
LET THEM MAKE SURE THEY ARE USING CONDOMS O.
Like ms stella says 'AIDS IS REAL'
Yes not everybody believes in my scripture but that doesnt prove it wrong to the believers though. I am a believer and I dont believe my scripture to be a baloney though civilizations seems to be getting a great hold of me. I try pulling back a couple of times to find myself and ensure I still have my relationship with my God
U know all this universal stance mostly have Africans excluded of it. Not fully but partially.
Your arguments are getting weaker with these sorts of statements..I'm sure U know better than to go there....that standpoint belittles your intellect my brother...considering manual labor by a construction worker to that of a stripper is laughable @ best...has any stripper shown U her W2 tax return like a construction worker would?let's keep it real bro...loving relationships with a stripper according to who?Their pimps or their deluded boyfriends?Nice try trying to glorify and squeeze out a positive spin for stripping as a noble job but U're hardly selling anyone bruh....what makes U think a prostitute does not look for affection?U forget each human being has different thoughts going on in the back of their mind...yes they may have to shift that thought because right now they have to make money (could be based on financial circumstance or whatever) but never rule out what some people wish for even if they can't get it right then....life for them come in stages bro...just like the rest of us...
...most definitely...very very real....that's why I've always told peeps that anyone wey no like to dey use condom better avoid joints and invest in a monogamous relationship....
ummm.... no, paj. actually my analogy was right on the money and totally appropriate. YOU on the other hand, are the one who is going off-topic here.
Aust_nne did not say anything about a W2 or the comparative legal tax status of any profession... she did not say anything about the supposed moral ramifications or social perceptions of stripping or prostitution. she explicitly said that she feels sorry for them because they make money with their bodies and not their brains.
by that criterion and that criterion ALONE, i drew a comparison to other trades that are dependent upon using the human body as a natural resource. (i should have added professional dancer as well, btw) and you have not been able to show me where that comparison fails according to the criterion that was laid out.
first of all: i never said stripping was a "noble" job. i said it was a VALID job. BIG difference.
and most strippers do not have pimps.
but your reply was to my reply to Aust_nne in which we were speaking specifically about prostitution in Amsterdam, where most of the women DEFINITELY do not have pimps. (do a little research, bruh)
it seems to me that you are not even reading before you reply at this point.
i didn't say that prostitutes don't look for affection... they are human beings and all humans look for affection.
the difference is that a prostitute does not look for affection AT WORK. they have their personal life to look for affection, but they are not standing on the street corner hoping that the random man in the car circling the block will LOVE them.
and if you are even trying to argue this particular point with me, then i will pronounce with confidence that you most likely have never met, or spent significant time with a prostitute.
well, that's a big part of why Africa is being left behind the rest of the world, isn't it?
okay... first of all: paragraphs, my brother. please!
secondly, i think you actually have it WAY backwards.
a veteran stripper, one who has been in the game for an inordinate period of time is WELL more likely to escalate to prostitution (or porn) than a new girl who probably hopes to do the shit short-time to earn some quick money.
go do some research and you'll see that this is true.
...I've met but never spent any significant time with a prostitute (Werey..U wan set trap for me :D)...I have a meeting..I'll be back later to counter your points
not necessarily true..not in the prime of her career if she's as 'morally grounded' as U claim them to be if she's really made money....omo..I garra go..I'll be back..interesting topic..
Left behind trying to catch up, is right. They are people in Africa (the minority) that live in the universal stance and accepted way of life