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MATURE: A lot of people don't associate sex with God

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ssergit

..still The Drama Queen!
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Sex according to Pastor Khathide (Ugandan)

A lot of people don't associate sex with God - they associate it with Satan and darkness, as if sex is not holy.

The bible is explicit when it comes to sex.
Sex is holy within marriage, and there is no prescribed style.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the missionary position is the only sexual style. Not discussing sex in a relationship leads to divorce.

Pastor Khathide has counselled women who've complained:
my husband treats me as if I were his brother.
There was one who told him:
I am tired of getting sex fortnightly, like a salary.
Khathide told her she was lucky to be getting sex fortnightly,
since some wives only get it on big days, like elections.

Many husbands leave their wives to seek sexual pleasures in Hillbrow.
Have you ever asked yourself what those women have that you don't. Wives have become very frigid and even sleep with their panties.
If you're a married woman, you should sleep naked and let your bum touch your husband.
Today you find men going out of their way to get a glimpse of a vagina. They page through magazines and even go to lingerie departments in stores hoping to see what's hidden under panties, because their wives hide it from them.

Marriage is about being free with your body in front of your partner.
A woman should parade naked and do some modelling to tempt her husband. There are many married women who don't know what their husbands' penises look like. She only feels it when he enters her. They've never touched it, let alone seen it, because the husband switches off the lights before undressing.
A penis is a wife' s toy - she is supposed to play with it.

He blames couples for not making time for sex and complaining about being tired after a day's work.
You find many couples who've been sexually starved for years.
God created sex for procreation and also for pleasure.
You can't marry and not have a good time in bed.
 

Sifu

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A dog will be a dog and it doesnt matter if you give him a blow job while doing a head stand. That is far from the reason why the type of man that will patronize a prostitute does it. I wish people will for once look at the other angle of sex. That maybe a couples sex life can actually be suffering because the man does not know what he is doing or the woman fears judgment if she acts too freaky. This angle has been talked to death. The dead fish wife. I have found in many cases that the men get scared if their wives tend to be adventurous because they fear maybe they cannot meat her expectations
 

kaymax

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A dog will be a dog and it doesnt matter if you give him a blow job while doing a head stand. That is far from the reason why the type of man that will patronize a prostitute does it. I wish people will for once look at the other angle of sex. That maybe a couples sex life can actually be suffering because the man does not know what he is doing or the woman fears judgment if she acts too freaky. This angle has been talked to death. The dead fish wife. I have found in many cases that the men get scared if their wives tend to be adventurous because they fear maybe they cannot meat her expectations
Or they think the wife is too 'exeperienced' if she's 'adventurous' in bed. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 

His Majesty

The Prince & Princess
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ssergit, thanks for this thread. Some people think that God is anti sex, but that's far from the truth. God is only against TWO kinds of sex:
1. Unnatural sex - homosexuality, bestiality, masturbation (solo sex), incest, rape, and all other forms of sex perversion out there.
2. Sex outside of marriage - fornication and adultery.

The greek word fornication/adultery = pornea, literally translated Unclean Sex.
 

ssergit

..still The Drama Queen!
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ssergit, thanks for this thread. Some people think that God is anti sex, but that's far from the truth. God is only against TWO kinds of sex:
1. Unnatural sex - homosexuality, bestiality, masturbation (solo sex), incest, rape, and all other forms of sex perversion out there.
2. Sex outside of marriage - fornication and adultery.

The greek word fornication/adultery = pornea, literally translated Unclean Sex.
Off topic question. I know I have heard a lot of pastor preach against masturbation....but I wonder, biologically, there is a moment in a woman's life when her sex drive is high! Same as for men, when their libido goes roof top. So, say....what if at that point, the person's will power in God is low....which is better, for them to have 'solo sex' or go sleeping around with multiple partners? yes, both are sins....BUT......which is worst in the eye of man and God?
 

His Majesty

The Prince & Princess
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Off topic question. I know I have heard a lot of pastor preach against masturbation....but I wonder, biologically, there is a moment in a woman's life when her sex drive is high! Same as for men, when their libido goes roof top. So, say....what if at that point, the person's will power in God is low....which is better, for them to have 'solo sex' or go sleeping around with multiple partners? yes, both are sins....BUT......which is worst in the eye of man and God?
ssergit, that's exactly what the problem is: lack of self denial/self control. We've been so spoilt, especially here in the United States, that people cannot exercise self control any more. And by the way, do you know why God wants us to fast every so often? It's so we can learn how to deny our flesh some of its fleshly desires. Of course, the flesh wants to have sex every now and then but we've got the power to say heck NO to the flesh....just as we do when we fast and the flesh screams out loud that it needs food and/or water!

Now, to answer your question. Yes, fornication and/or adultery may seem worse than masturbation in the eyes of men, but not in the eyes of God tho. Remember what the Lord Jesus Christ said: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matthew 5:28. And it's impossible to masturbate without LUST.

And here's another thing to keep in mind. Masturbation is the most addictive thing in the world. It's even more addictive than heroine. It might start gradually but, before you know it, it becomes a habit....you're hooked on it. And once hooked, you can never enjoy normal sex life with a real human being.

And here's the kicker! Masturbation is the same as same gender sex or homosexuality. This may sound far fetched but when you masturbate, whatever gender you are is whom you're having sex with. As a matter of fact, Part II of this book actually discussed "Other forms of Sodomy", which includes Masturbation amongst others: http://www.amazon.com/Homosexuality...words=homosexuality:+explaining+the+zeitgeist

If you know anybody who has a problem with masturbation, get him or her a copy of that book and it will open his/her eyes to the dangers inherent in the masturbation lifestyle. And they include spiritual, medical, biological, problems amongst other things. Take it from me, masturbation is a destructive habit.
 

kaymax

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ssergit, that's exactly what the problem is: lack of self denial/self control. We've been so spoilt, especially here in the United States, that people cannot exercise self control any more. And by the way, do you know why God wants us to fast every so often? It's so we can learn how to deny our flesh some of its fleshly desires. Of course, the flesh wants to have sex every now and then but we've got the power to say heck NO to the flesh....just as we do when we fast and the flesh screams out loud that it needs food and/or water!

Now, to answer your question. Yes, fornication and/or adultery may seem worse than masturbation in the eyes of men, but not in the eyes of God tho. Remember what the Lord Jesus Christ said: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matthew 5:28. And it's impossible to masturbate without LUST.

And here's another thing to keep in mind. Masturbation is the most addictive thing in the world. It's even more addictive than heroine. It might start gradually but, before you know it, it becomes a habit....you're hooked on it. And once hooked, you can never enjoy normal sex life with a real human being.

And here's the kicker! Masturbation is the same as same gender sex or homosexuality. This may sound far fetched but when you masturbate, whatever gender you are is whom you're having sex with. As a matter of fact, Part II of this book actually discussed "Other forms of Sodomy", which includes Masturbation amongst others: Amazon.com: Homosexuality: Explaining The Zeitgeist (9781452047614): Emmanuel M. Ekwo: Books

If you know anybody who has a problem with masturbation, get him or her a copy of that book and it will open his/her eyes to the dangers inherent in the masturbation lifestyle. And they include spiritual, medical, biological, problems amongst other things. Take it from me, masturbation is a destructive habit.
Seriously????
 

ssergit

..still The Drama Queen!
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ssergit, that's exactly what the problem is: lack of self denial/self control. We've been so spoilt, especially here in the United States, that people cannot exercise self control any more. And by the way, do you know why God wants us to fast every so often? It's so we can learn how to deny our flesh some of its fleshly desires. Of course, the flesh wants to have sex every now and then but we've got the power to say heck NO to the flesh....just as we do when we fast and the flesh screams out loud that it needs food and/or water!

Now, to answer your question. Yes, fornication and/or adultery may seem worse than masturbation in the eyes of men, but not in the eyes of God tho. Remember what the Lord Jesus Christ said: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matthew 5:28. And it's impossible to masturbate without LUST.

And here's another thing to keep in mind. Masturbation is the most addictive thing in the world. It's even more addictive than heroine. It might start gradually but, before you know it, it becomes a habit....you're hooked on it. And once hooked, you can never enjoy normal sex life with a real human being.

And here's the kicker! Masturbation is the same as same gender sex or homosexuality. This may sound far fetched but when you masturbate, whatever gender you are is whom you're having sex with. As a matter of fact, Part II of this book actually discussed "Other forms of Sodomy", which includes Masturbation amongst others: Amazon.com: Homosexuality: Explaining The Zeitgeist (9781452047614): Emmanuel M. Ekwo: Books

If you know anybody who has a problem with masturbation, get him or her a copy of that book and it will open his/her eyes to the dangers inherent in the masturbation lifestyle. And they include spiritual, medical, biological, problems amongst other things. Take it from me, masturbation is a destructive habit.
Hmmmmm... I reserve my comment.
let me just say another off topic thing. A man of God, actually a Prophet told me that SEX IS NOT SIN! Especially if done with a betrothed! My rev Sr cousin also told me that some Rev fathers now preach that God never said sex is sinful. Shebi he created it.

me, I was brought up to see sex as sin/fornication. More reason I prayed for a husband that would understand my stand on pre-marital sex. And amen.

BUT, ......comparing masturbation to homosexuality.....hmmmm..... Ok, I alrady said I am reserving my comment....
 

ssergit

..still The Drama Queen!
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And here's the kicker! Masturbation is the same as same gender sex or homosexuality. This may sound far fetched but when you masturbate, whatever gender you are is whom you're having sex with
OK, I just have to comment on this: Let me borrow Kaymax's post: "SERIOUSLY"????!!!!

HM, when a woman ios masturbating, she USES a make believe 'PENIS'/dildo/object etc! And that connotes HETEROSEXUAL! NOT homosexual!!! it is when a woman uses an object SIMILAR to a vagina you can dare to compare masturbation to homosexuality!
And when men masturbate, they 'soap' in a 'CUPPED' hand that denotes vagina or a HOLE! NOT a penis!
 

His Majesty

The Prince & Princess
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C'mon, Kaymax, don't disappont me!

Yes, sodomy is a broad term that encompasses any sexual act that does not include copulation - that is, the male penis penetrating the female vagina.

As concerns masturbation, yes, there are numerous facts to my theory but, in a nutshell, the bottom line is that if you masturbate excessively you attune your sensitivity to that form of stimulation, and to achieve orgasm you will need to replicate that type of stimulation or otherwise nothing will happen. And it goes to both sexes as well but most common in women. Besides women can get orgasm from about 3 types of stimulation and they are all different. Hence, if you become really dependent on one through a longtime excessive masturbation, you really increase your threshold on the others (Sorry, I didn't mean to be too graphic here, but sometimes you gotta say it as it is!).
 

His Majesty

The Prince & Princess
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Hmmmmm... I reserve my comment.
let me just say another off topic thing. A man of God, actually a Prophet told me that SEX IS NOT SIN! Especially if done with a betrothed! My rev Sr cousin also told me that some Rev fathers now preach that God never said sex is sinful. Shebi he created it.

me, I was brought up to see sex as sin/fornication. More reason I prayed for a husband that would understand my stand on pre-marital sex. And amen.

BUT, ......comparing masturbation to homosexuality.....hmmmm..... Ok, I alrady said I am reserving my comment....
Well, here's a word of wisdom: don't believe everything you hear.

I used to make the same argument myself. Most of my friends in college will tell you that I don't consider fornication to be a sin. In those days, once you're not married then you're fair game....even if you're engaged, lol. But now I know better. God does not intend for us to have premarital sex b'cos as far as God is concerned, sexual intercourse is the marriage. The ceremony is not the marriage. The union of souls does not occur in the Church....that only happens when you enter into a sexual relationship with someone (and that's what marriage is). Sexual intercourse is a blood covenant between two people.

And I can go on and on, but I gotta stop here. If you wanna study more on this issue then get a copy of a small book I wrote sometime ago entitled Sex: The Truth about US
 

kaymax

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C'mon, Kaymax, don't disappont me!

Yes, sodomy is a broad term that encompasses any sexual act that does not include copulation - that is, the male penis penetrating the female vagina.

As concerns masturbation, yes, there are numerous facts to my theory but, in a nutshell, the bottom line is that if you masturbate excessively you attune your sensitivity to that form of stimulation, and to achieve orgasm you will need to replicate that type of stimulation or otherwise nothing will happen. And it goes to both sexes as well but most common in women. Besides women can get orgasm from about 3 types of stimulation and they are all different. Hence, if you become really dependent on one through a longtime excessive masturbation, you really increase your threshold on the others (Sorry, I didn't mean to be too graphic here, but sometimes you gotta say it as it is!).
@ the bolded, I'm not sure what you were trying to say there, but it seems like the sentence is an oxymoron, again, I may not be reading it correctly. Let me start by saying that women are blessed in that we can achieve orgasm in multiple ways, and we're not restricted to just one way, regardless of how we achieve our orgasm at any given time. There is clitoris stimulation, 'g spot' as it is commonly known, and some women can orgasm to the stimulation of certain errogenous zones, or a combination. For most women, if not all, it's the latter.

I think that men tend to think they know about a woman's body as you've just shown in multiple posts in this thread, but at the end of the day, they don't know anything because they assume instead of asking. Let me assure you, we're as different as they come. Because one person achieves orgasm one way, does not mean that another women achieves orgasm the same way. That's one of the many great aspects of our sexuality/sensuality, but again, most men don't take the time to get to know the woman individually and they assume one size fits all, (no pun intended).

As for the masturbation being addictive like crack cocaine, I can speak for most if not all straight women, we'd much rather have the penis than masturbation ANYDAY, provided the brotha knows what he's doing. If your woman prefers masturbating to your penis (not you personally of course), then there needs to be a different conversation being had, cause that means you're not doing it for her, not that she's addicted to the masturbation, trust me on that one.

As for masturbation being 'sodomy' and even homosexual, I am not buying that in a million years, and you're reaching on that one. Masturbation is not directly mentioned anywhere in the bible, hence, that leaves it to interpretation. As you very well know, theologians differ on what even constitutes Godly reasons or biblically accepted reasons for divorce, and that was very spelled out in the Bible, hence, let's not even go there on the masturbation. Masturbation being a sin can and has been sold as a bill of goods to repress people of their sexuality in the 'church' or the 'body' as we call it, but the homosexuality argument, c'mon my brother, that is extremely far fetched.

I think people of God or church leadership need to take more responsibility in what they say and tell people, especially new believers as to not get them turned off or twisted about the Bible and what message the Book conveys. Please, HM, be careful and what you 'preach' to people. If it is not biblically based, it's OK to say, 'you know what, I'm not sure what God feels about that one, it's not really mentioned in the Bible', there is nothing wrong with that, people will actually respect you more as a leader or an SME, and more human, because we don't know everything. Masturbation is very well one of them, and I think this is a prime example of why we Christians live such hypocritical lives, because we're so busy condemning everything, or misinterpreting the Bible because we want to get OUR point across, not His point. Please na God I take beg you, get off the point of masturbation being homosexual, it's no just misleading, it's a lie and not biblically founded or based. Sex with self is not in the Bible per se, other than Onan, and even that was dicey and it does not even in any way elude to homesexuality, so don't go around saying that. I take offense to that.

You may have something on the lust part, but again, that is open to interpretation, hence, it's highly subjective and should not be taught unilaterally.

These are some of the reasons people don't associate sex with God, because, the church is too busy demonizing it.
 

kaymax

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Well, here's a word of wisdom: don't believe everything you hear.

I used to make the same argument myself. Most of my friends in college will tell you that I don't consider fornication to be a sin. In those days, once you're not married then you're fair game....even if you're engaged, lol. But now I know better. God does not intend for us to have premarital sex b'cos as far as God is concerned, sexual intercourse is the marriage. The ceremony is not the marriage. The union of souls does not occur in the Church....that only happens when you enter into a sexual relationship with someone (and that's what marriage is). Sexual intercourse is a blood covenant between two people.

And I can go on and on, but I gotta stop here. If you wanna study more on this issue then get a copy of a small book I wrote sometime ago entitled Sex: The Truth about US
Please HM, when you say these outrageous things, please attach the Bible verses as your 'source'. I read someone on this forum that Bros Sola wants us to not only cite the source when we refrence something, we should try and post it as well, so please post the verses that supports the bold. Unification of souls can ONLY be achieved through sex? Perhaps you mean unification of the two bodies, right? Marriage IS THE sex, not part of the relationship? Many couples that have been married a long time will tell you, sex became less important especially in their old age, and it's the other parts of their 'marriage' that has substained them, NOT the sex. Not saying that sex is not important, but sex is but an ASPECT of the marriage, and there are many many components to a great marriage. Let me also add that for women, great sex is not the ACT of sex, but many times, it's the circumstances leading up to the sex. If your man or husband goes out of his way to do something nice for you on a given day, trust me, the sex will be better that night or whenever you have it, and when the sex is better for the woman, it's better for the two parties involved. For example, husband decides that he will fix dinner that night before his wife gets home from work, he does that, helps kids with homework and then cleans up after dinner and put the kids to bed. Trust me, the good sex he will get that night will blow his mind, in EVERY sense of the word. But look at when the 'sex started for her, it was when the man decided he would help out that night, that decision may have been made when he found out that wifey will be working late, little did he know he was already sexing his wife. This is what I mean when I say men sometimes have no clue what good sex is to their wives.

I digress, but my point is that marriage is not just about the act of sex or the intercourse, as you put it. This is where most men miss road and perhaps why their partners have to masturbate, LOL.
 

His Majesty

The Prince & Princess
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OK, I just have to comment on this: Let me borrow Kaymax's post: "SERIOUSLY"????!!!!

HM, when a woman ios masturbating, she USES a make believe 'PENIS'/dildo/object etc! And that connotes HETEROSEXUAL! NOT homosexual!!! it is when a woman uses an object SIMILAR to a vagina you can dare to compare masturbation to homosexuality!
And when men masturbate, they 'soap' in a 'CUPPED' hand that denotes vagina or a HOLE! NOT a penis!
Like I said earlier, the word sodomy has broadened to refer to any sexual act that does not include copulation. Sodomy is also a term used in the law to describe the act of "unnatural" sex, which depending on jurisdiction can be one or more of oral sex, anal sex, bestiality, or masturbation.

As a matter of fact, the Merriam-Webster dictionary defines sodomy as:
1 : sexual intercourse with a member of the same sex or with an animal
2 : noncoital and esp. anal or oral sexual intercourse with a member of the opposite sex

St. Thomas Aquinas identifies masturbation as the biblical “uncleanness” and “effeminacy.”

St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, Pt. II-II, Q. 154, A. 11: “I answer that, As stated above (A6,9) wherever there occurs a special kind of deformity whereby the venereal act is rendered unbecoming, there is a determinate species of lust. This may occur in two ways: First, through being contrary to right reason, and this is common to all lustful vices; secondly, because, in addition, it is contrary to the natural order of the venereal act as becoming to the human race: and this is called "the unnatural vice." This may happen in several ways. First, by procuring pollution, without any copulation, for the sake of venereal pleasure: this pertains to the sin of "uncleanness" which some call "effeminacy." Secondly, by copulation with a thing of undue species, and this is called "bestiality." Thirdly, by copulation with an undue sex, male with male, or female with female, as the Apostle states (Romans 1:27): and this is called the "vice of sodomy." Fourthly, by not observing the natural manner of copulation, either as to undue means, or as to other monstrous and bestial manners of copulation.”

Thus, not only is masturbation a mortal sin, but it’s a mortal sin which is identified in three different places in Scripture as one which excludes from the Kingdom of God. It’s also classified by St. Thomas as one of the sins against nature, for it corrupts the order intended by God. That’s probably why it’s called “effeminacy.” Though it’s not the same as the abomination of Sodomy, it’s disordered and unnatural. I believe that this sin – since it’s contrary to nature and is classified as “effeminacy” and “the unnatural vice” – is the cause of some people being given over to unnatural lusts (homosexuality).
 
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