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MATURE: A lot of people don't associate sex with God

Discussion in 'LOVE, MARRIAGE, THE SEXES' started by ssergit, Aug 16, 2012.

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  1. His Majesty

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    LOL @Kaymax. This your post should be rated XXX. I'm sure that some NR dudes are already having some impure sexual thoughts from just reading this post:bouncy:bouncy

    Having said that, trust me, I will never post anything that I am not very sure of on the world wide web. A good friend of mine is a sex therapist so I tend to know all these things. There are thousands of women out there who find it extremely difficult to climax through natural intercourse. That's b'cos they have programmed themselves to the sensitivity of masturbation. For them to attain orgasm, you have to employ vibrators and all sorts of toys. Many of those women had to be "reprogrammed" on how to make love with a real man.

    And this doesn't happen with women only. Some men actually tend to prefer "the hand job" to the real thing. I have heard stories of men who cannot "get it up" unless you give them a hand job or blow them. That's NOT a healthy sex life. That's NOT the way it's supposed to work.

    Time and space would fail me to elaborate how much destruction that masturbation had done to the sex lives of so many people.
     
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    Actually, I have discussed this issue before in this forum, with several scripture references to prove my point. Here is exactly what I was trying to say:

    I have come to the point in my life where I had an epiphany of something I already knew. This may sound weird but please read on. When two people sleep together, in the eyes of God they are husband and wife. While some reasonable people may disagree, there is no doubt in my mind that sexual intercourse is a form of a blood covenant. A ceremony is not the marriage, it's a public announcement of a decision that is marriage, ie sex. According to American and European customs, the ceremony is the marriage, but a union of souls does not happen in a Church or justice of the peace’s office. To prove this point, let us compare scripture with scripture.

    "Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ: shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. What? Know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? For two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body” (1 Corinthians 6:15-18 emphasis added).

    In Matthew 19:5-6, talking about marriage, the Lord Jesus Christ said:
    “And said, For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder” (see also Mark 10:8,9 and Ephesians 5:13).

    And that is one of the reasons why fornication could nullify any marriage.
    “He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery” (Matthew 19:8,9).

    Being very lax and unconcerned with the subject in American life, this truth is not recognized. That is the reason the so-called pre-marital sex, which is actually a contradiction in terms because sex is marriage, is on the increase daily. How many people feel that sex is casual? Most Americans are fornicators and adulterers and are not even aware of it. People should realize that each person they are being intimate with is actually a person they are giving a part of their body and soul. And if you do that too often, you will have a divided soul, and cannot find peace within yourself. Let’s get back to the Bible, folks.

    “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children” (Hosea 4:6)
     
  3. His Majesty

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    And here's an elementary breakdown of all the psychobabble I posted above:

    Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ: shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. What? Know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? [You don't need to have a PhD in theology to understand that the Apostle Paul was talking about a union of souls in the above quotation. According to him, joining to a harlot, in sexual relations, makes a man one body with the harlot. Hence, there is a physical and spiritual components to sexual intercourse. That's a mystery that many people don't understand....we tend to think that sex is merely a physical relationship.]

    Now, the Lord Jesus Christ, teaching about marriage, said and on qoute: And said, For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh.

    Now, compare this with what Paul said in 1 Corinthians that I cited above. Paul, talking about sexual relations employed the same exact phrase: For two, saith he, shall be one flesh. It doesn't get any clearer than that, does it?

    And according to biblical principles, adultery is the only ground for divorce. To me, that fact lends credence to the above theory. But, hey, as I previously stated, some "reasonable" people may disagree.
     
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    So, as an extension, which is more distructive: sin against God or sin against oneself? Furthermore, considering fornication seems to be the only biblical ground for divorce, what about abusive marriages?
     
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    All this is psuedo theological interpretation of the Bible, but nonetheless, your interpretation, therefore, you're entitled. I think to belittle the union of marriage to just sex is insulting to married people. Marriage is MORE than sex, that is my point, yes, sex is a part or component of marriage, but it's not the end all of marriage. If a marriage is ALL sex and is defined ONLY by the sex, that marriage will not last. My point is not about fornication and how it can affect a marriage, so why all the verses about fornication and adultery? My point is that marriage is more than sex, and I can't imagine that you disagree. speaking of being one with a harlot, why did God command Hosea to marry a harlot? Is it ONLY to prove that Isreal has become so faithless? Nevertheless, God recognized their 'marriage' or union, did He not? I use this very weak example to show that at times, we have to use common sense when we interpret the Bible, it's not always so cut and dry and black and white.
     
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    Again, my point is that when you make these 'points', they need to be biblically based, you can't just go around referencing St. Thomas, and Webster, and say that the Bible says masturbation is wrong. Tell us WHERE IN THE BIBLE, masturbation is referenced. Masturbation was NEVER mentioned in the Bible and you know it, so how can you say that it is biblically wrong? You cannot say that, HM. If you think Masturbation is a sin and it makes one a homosexual, that's fine, just state that it is merely your opinion, and don't say that it comes from the Bible, that will bring wrath upon you, so please, stop.
     
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    Unfortunately, the only two biblical grounds for divorce are death and infidelity. Some argue that a 'greek translation of the bible' states that abandonment is also grounds. Unfortunately, no Man or Woman of the Cloth will tell you that you have biblical grounds for divorce if your spouse is beating your or verbally abusive, however, they may advise you to leave since your life may very well be in danger.

    As for what is more destructive, HM still has yet to prove how masturbation is a sin against oneself, however, if he is able to prove that, then a sin against oneself is also a sin against God as we're made in His image.
     
  8. ssergit

    ssergit ..still The Drama Queen!

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    THANK YOU KAYMAX! Especially on the Masturbation paragraph! Humans sometimes want to THINK and SPEAK for God! Masturbation is NOT in the Bible! So, what if a husband and wife are together and the hubby gets turned on by his wife masturbating right there in front of him, is that still HomoSexuality????


    You are soooooop right about men thinking that women's body is all about fingering her, touching the Gspot, sucking her boobs and VOILA! She is sex-ready! or the ones that think that as long as they 'pump' in for like 30 mins or more, they are 'MEN'!! Sheeshz! Or rhe sadder ones that assume that because they have big rods, every woman would have the big O! They don't consider that their big rods sef go 'wound' some women with shallow, tight Vs! Seriously, some men need to be schooled on sex! Different women, different bodies, different STIMULATIONS! lololol. How loud can I shout this for them to hear? I have buddy friends who sometimes when they talk, I just feel sorry for them! At how clueless they are!
    One told me that because he is a 'playa' his wife go enjoy am when he marries! I told him that he better HAVE THAT CONVERSATION with his future wife to KNOW EXACTLY WHAT she wants, because that is gonna be a LONG HAUL SEX! Not girlfriend he could drop and change!

    NOTE TO MEN: A wife and hubby that talk sex, and discuss likes and dislikes, and still 'communicate' during the act have better sex life! And a sexually satisfied wife is a happy wife and that equals to a happy home! NAG-FREE, DRAMA-FREE, DUST-FREE, KITCHEN-FULL etc etc etc :roll
     
  9. ssergit

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    I listened to Pastor Odukoya (Mountain of Fire and Miracles) Online once and he said this:

    "Masturbation is Sin! IF God wanted man to have sex with himself, HE would have given everybody both male and female organs"

    I have also heard him preach that Sex with anyone is a UNION of SOULS! And in any covenant, there is exchange of FLUID. Like blood in the old testament.... hence, sex is a an exchange of fluid too. Therefore, having sex with anyone means a 'covenant/marriage/union'. And that when a man has sex with a woman, he is also getting into a covenant with ALL the men she's ever slept with and same applies to women. And that when people sleep with themselves, all the spirits in that person transfers to the other. Example. An ogbanje sleeping with a regular person would transfer the 'spirit' to the normal man etc.....

    DOn't ask me to explain any of the above, I simply paraphrased/quoted a man of God.
     
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    So if someone with ogbanje spirit sleeps with someone with no ogbanje spirit there is a one in four chance that their child will have full blown ogbanje. While there is a 2 in 4 chance that they will have children who will just be carriers of ogbanje and will show no symptoms. It is important though that the carrier children be careful not to marry or have children with other carriers or full blown ogbanjes
     
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    Please reference the verse in the bible to support your 'findings'. 10q. LOL I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where the bible says anything about masturbation or having sex with oneself. It amazes me how people sit in pews and not question the venom being spat out from the pulpit.
     
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    Please the bible does not say masturbation is a sin. Mscheeeeew. Masturbation is not a sin. Oral sex is not a sin. Anal sex is not a sin. You are free to poke it anywhere you like at your own risk.
     
  13. His Majesty

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    Folks, first of all, I agree with y'all that there are some forms of sexual activity that may seem to be "gray" areas because the scriptures may not specifically address them by name. These typically are the "hot potatoes" of sexuality that are not typically discussed in Church teachings. Pornography often goes to great lengths to exploit and promote these forms of sexual expression, and many people fantasize about these practices. However, a careful study of the scripture would give us some insights into the Will of God in these areas.

    Let us start by analyzing the root causes of masturbation. Lust is the root of masturbation. Masturbation is an act that is brought about by thoughts and fantasies. Ponder over these troubling questions:
    Why do people masturbate?
    Why do people perform these acts?
    What is the person thinking when he performs these types of acts?
    What is the person fantasizing about when he performs these types of acts?

    Now, remember what the Lord Jesus Christ said: If you look at a woman to lust after her, you have already committed fornication with her in your mind.

    Anyway, I need to go make dinner. Later, I will give y'all 3 non-spiritual reasons why masturbation is unhealthy. Stay tuned....
     
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    Non-spiritual points about masturbation


    1. Masturbation is addictive! I encourage any masturbator who doubts that masturbation is addictive to see how many weeks or months they can go without masturbating. We know now that sexual addictions are in fact self-induced drug addictions. The chemicals our bodies release during sexual arousal create the same effect on the brain as drugs. Repeated masturbation reinforces a brain chemistry loop of addiction. . As with drug addiction, masturbation requires an increasing amount of stimulus to achieve consistent levels of pleasure. This can lead to both an increased frequency of the habit and a never-ending search for new material to enhance the experience.

    2. Masturbation conditions our bodies to respond to self-stimulation, which is self-centered. This damages our ability to relate to another person sexually. Sex is a relational experience, where we give attention to another person's needs at least as much as to our own. If we've been serving our own desires habitually, we may find it difficult to give our partner the attention he or she desires. Additionally, the hormones released in the brain during sexual arousal cause a bonding to whatever we are looking at and/or thinking about at the time. This can cause us to be more sexually responsive to masturbation (and its associated fantasies) than to real sex.

    3. Masturbation causes sexual imbalance: Masturbation stirs up our sexual emotions and trains our bodies to seek sexual release more frequently than normal. Common sense tells us that there should be a balance between sex and the other activities in our lives. Masturbation disrupts that balance by training our bodies and minds to expect gratification more frequently than normal. Like a feedback loop in an amplifier, the imbalance between reality and fantasy can likely drive a person further into the addiction. The sexual imbalance can also affect other areas of our lives by diverting energy, time and resources into sexual activity. For example, a man stays up late each night to surf for porn to masturbate to. His job performance suffers because he can't stay awake during the day, his family life sours because he's grouchy, his wife is alienated from him by his lack of affection and interest in her, and his debt increases because of the credit card charges from the porn sites he's visiting to feed his habit. The people most likely to suffer from the imbalance are people who don't have a regular provision for sexual intimacy (e.g. teens, singles, divorced persons, widowed persons, persons in sexually dysfunctional marriages). Ironically, these are the same people that may be strongly tempted to indulge in porn and masturbation. If they whet their appetite by indulging, chances are that they could easily get hooked in the addictive cycle that the imbalance creates.
     
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    rotflmao
     
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    Right there with you sistagurl, I don't even have a response. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I'm just glad he did not use the Bible this time. These are clearly his opinions and not the NKJV.
     
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    The Effects.....

    Effects of Masturbation on women: (Test on Sexual Behavior pg. 122)

    "Females possess less vital (ingredients essential to preserving the health, and obtaining the life of the body ... such as what makes up the immune system, brain functions, heart functions et cetera) force than the opposite sex, and are deprived very much of the bracing, invigorating air by their indoor life. The results of self abuse (masturbation) in them is seen in various diseases such as catarrh, dropsy, headache, loss of memory and sight, great weakness in the back and loins, infections of the spine, the head often decays inwardly. Cancerous tumor, which would lie dormant in the system their lifetime, is inflamed and commences its eating, destructive work. The mind is often utterly ruined, and insanity takes place."

    In his study on "Masturbatory Insanity; The History of an idea,” (Journal of Mental Science 108:1. Jan 1962), E.H. Hare refers to a study of 500 patients admitted consecutively to the Iowa State Psychopathic Hospital. He states that the authors of the study (Malamud W, and Palmer G) "The role played by Masturbation in the causation of Mental Disturbances", (Journal of Nervous and Mental disorders, 1932) found that in 22 cases masturbation was "apparently the most important cause of disorder."
     
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    OK, HM, not THIS IS FUNNY!!! and your 1962 source-Classic, I won't mention the other one from 1932!!!!. BTW, I googled your 'source', here is another excerpt from the 1962 Article and findings

    "After acknowledging that "there is no way of disproving the masturbatory hypothesis," Hare offers his final conclusion: "All we can say, from the evidence, is that the association between masturbation and mental disorder is weak and inconstant and that therefore, if masturbation is a causal factor, it is probably not a very important one" (The Ministry of Healing, 19). "

    I guess you forgot to post that part of the 'study'. LOL
     
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    LOL, Kaymax, how did I know that you were gonna accuse me of citing ancient history. OK, I've got much later studies for ya:

    Dr. David Horrobin, an M.D. and Ph.D. from Oxford University, states:

    "The amount of zinc in semen is such that one ejaculation may get rid of all the zinc that can be absorbed from the intestines in one day. This has a number of consequences. Unless the amount lost is replaced by an increased dietary intake, repeated ejaculation may lead to a real zinc deficiency with various problems developing, including impotence.

    "It is even possible, given the importance of zinc for the brain, that 19th century moralists were correct when they said that repeated masturbation could make one mad!"—Zinc (Vitabooks: St. Albans, Vermont, 1981), p. 8.

    This statement is similar to that made by Carl C. Pfeiffer, Ph.D., M.D., in his book on zinc. He declares:

    "We hate to say it, but in a zinc-deficient adolescent, sexual excitement and excessive masturbation might precipitate insanity."—Zinc and Other Micro-nutrients (Keats: New Canaan, Conn., 1978), p. 45.

    —Testimonies on Sexual Behavior, Adultery, and Divorce, pp. 269, 270.
     
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    1978 and 1981, can you get something within the last 20 years? Does not even have to be in the current millenium!!! LOL. HM, Please leave this one jor.
     
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