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vince

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Re: Re: very well

Originally posted by khamileon
Originally posted by gorgeous70
Vince,
Why don't they just churn out a few quality films rather than a bunch of headless ones. Surely quality is the key here not quantity...
I also wait in anticipation for this idea of yours....till then :D


Sola,
Very well explained, with thanks. Was not aware of the filming constraints faced by our people. Great job in clarifying this, well done!
:)


HAPPY VINCE AND SOLA WERE ABLE TO SHARE SOME LIGHT ON UR SUBJECT. I AM WITH THE FILM PEOPLE AS I SPEAK..IF U KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO MAKE A MOVIE..... AGAIN MOST OF THESE PEOPLE (PRODUCERS/DIRECTORS) SEE THIS AS BUSINESS, THEY HAVE TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE SO THEY HAVE TO MANAGE WHATEVER LITTLE THEY HAVE TO PUT A MOVIE OUT, THEN JUMP TO THE NEXT.. CHICO EJIRO WILL KNOCK 4 MOVIES IN ONE MONTH..SINCE I AM HERE (BARELY TWO WEEKS) HE HAS ALREADY DON TWO.. BOTTOMLINE HE HAS TO FEED HIS FAMILY AT ALL COST..BUT WITH MORE INVESTMENTS THINGS CAN GET BETTER BECAUSE I KNOW AND CAN SEE THAT THEY'VE GOT THE TALENTS. ..THE MOVIE INDUSTRY IS ABOUT THE FASTEST GROWING INDUSTRY IN NAIJA, PUTTING FOOD ON THE TABLE OF MILLIONS..
Khami,dat ya figure on Mr.Chico Ejiro is scary for real!!4 movies in a month??!!:confused: :eeek :eek:That means one week per movie! That can't be a good thing,believe me.I'll never take the works of such a director seriously.Whether he has to put food on the table or not,you just don't make serious movies in one week,that is ridiculous.
 

Sola

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Chico has never been like any other director. Take that from me.
And Khamileon must be exaggerating slightly. Usually, even Chico shoots for 6-7 days, then he goes into the editing room for another week or so.:D
 

vince

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Originally posted by bigmomma
hmm how many takes directors dey do sef for these movies?
I wonder o,bigmomma!To shoot a feature in a week get as e be.They must be very basic and creatively unchallenging projects to shoot so quickly.I don't know,but it does show in a lot of these movies we see.The scripts look like they were written in a matter of days and shot in a matter of days and edited also in a matter of days.No wonder a lot of them are so unsatisfactory.Quality takes time,and there is no going around that.
 

Sola

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#25
That is the current reality of the business, people. It is called "pa-pa-pa" That is why you should stick with a director and nothing else. Even actors don't know to pick good scripts. Find a good director(s).

Some continue to be adveturous though. They continue to use their limited resources to do new things.

International attention is forcing some of our movie makers to consistently prodice presentable jobs. Otherwsie, it would have continued at the rate TV talk shows were being packaged, weekly.
 

vince

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Originally posted by Sola
That is the current reality of the business, people. It is called "pa-pa-pa" That is why you should stick with a director and nothing else. Even actors don't know to pick good scripts. Find a good director(s).

Some continue to be adveturous though. They continue to use their limited resources to do new things.

International attention is forcing some of our movie makers to consistently prodice presentable jobs. Otherwsie, it would have continued at the rate TV talk shows were being packaged, weekly.
That is bad business,Sola.It does not help the director's resume,nor does it help the quality of movies,nor does it help the prestige of the industry at large.
A director can never afford to rush a project for whatever reason.He has to be involved in all the process of production to make sure that his vision is successfully transferred to the video medium.It will take more than 2 weeks to do all that.
But it is good to know who is a "pa-pa-pa" or "pajawiri" director before one buys their works.
I personally do not believe in compromising quality for any reason at all.
Like i said before,the weath will soon be separated from the chaff.
 

Sola

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Vince, you need to get down to Nigeria to understand what I mean. Some directors will take as long as it needs to get a scene right. Another will just get a first take and move on to the next bit. Some directors came in through the back door. Others have gone through the grind. As soon as you know your director, you will find presentable works to watch. There are directors for instance that no matter what they do, they can never get the respect of their colleagues because of their approach to production. Not going to give you names, but it is the reality. And some will not leave that location until the short is usable. They will spend their personal money to get it right. They will get into debt and worry about paying later. There are some hard working directors out there... Find them and you always find the impressive movies.
 

vince

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I quite understand what you're saying,Sola.Not all directors will be good and it will be naive to think otherwise.That is why i said that "the weath will be separated from the chaff".The elite directors will move to another level,away from the other less talented directors.All we have to do is look at their works to know who is who.no hiding here.
Like you said,"know your director".:)
 
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Thats true Gorgeous, I agree with every thing you say. Bad Production in the only problem killing nigerian movies.You make sacrifices in order to achieve your goals. They keep making damn mistakes in all their movies and boast of improving, a kid of 10 years old can do better than this. Spend money in making your movies, let the production look good and capture your audience. Ever wonder why people duplicate these tapes (movies)?, look at other countries, movies take time to make not 10 days for christ sake, and not 50 movies in a week, I think the movie industry should take this matter seriously you don't produce 100 videos in a month and expect us to buy them all that's why people duplicate movies and sell them out to their friends. Work more on this and get more facts these movies sometimes sounds fictious, get real facts. That's what your viewers expect.
 

vince

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Originally posted by zgirl
Thats true Gorgeous, I agree with every thing you say. Bad Production in the only problem killing nigerian movies.You make sacrifices in order to achieve your goals. They keep making damn mistakes in all their movies and boast of improving, a kid of 10 years old can do better than this. Spend money in making your movies, let the production look good and capture your audience. Ever wonder why people duplicate these tapes (movies)?, look at other countries, movies take time to make not 10 days for christ sake, and not 50 movies in a week, I think the movie industry should take this matter seriously you don't produce 100 videos in a month and expect us to buy them all that's why people duplicate movies and sell them out to their friends. Work more on this and get more facts these movies sometimes sounds fictious, get real facts. That's what your viewers expect.
WORD!!:D
 
#31
Great reviews

I believe sometimes, these movie people(producers, directors, actors and the like) underestimate the sophistication of their audience. They think they can just "cut and paste" as they choose and all will come together eventually.

ZGirl you are quite right with this duplication issue. Apart from the fact that anyone can make multiple copies of a movie onto videos or DVD's regardless of whether the film is good or bad but also for the fact that people are not willing to pay the original cost, especially if it lacks quality and substance. I personally (If I was keen, curious) would buy a duplicated one just to ease my curiosity!


Let's not undervalue our audience sense of watchability and sophistication, if they want us to buy their videos, watch their films and commend the actors, they should scratch our backs as well!

:(
 
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Kemmy, and the rest....... everything y'all said about the movie industry is right. Not that I'm condemning anyone but when will the movie industry start looking at their mistakes?. I've seen lots of dramas done in the 17th, 18th and 19th century, the production looks better and all has great meaning in them. Some of them are used in schools as "LITERATURE" "Things Fall apart is one of them" I never get to see this movie until I took a literature class here in the United States. All mistakes made in the movie industry are all intentional I believe. The producers and directors know what they're doing, they rush the whole damn movies for their own benefit which is (MONEY) We talk about people seeing movies before they are released to the market, whose fault is it?, The movie industry should be blamed, I see nigerian movie trying to clone american movies, and i get scared showing it to my friend for the fear of getting in trouble. Stealing people's work without their rights? That aint cool. You see same characters acting couples upto fifteen movies a year, let's take the case of Ramsey and Genevieve, any movie featuring Ramsey and Genevieve first thing that pumps in my head is oh yeah!!!! couples again, or if familiar with the faces you believe u've actually seen the movie. Now tell me is that a mistake? C'mmon people we all have common sense, let's think with our brain. Without watching these movies I know exaclty the contents, we can even say the next lines.


I do not call these problems "MISTAKES" cos it's not. It's just premeditated issues that need to be addressed. Previous movies made in the 80's have better production, and characters........ That's why America has "Acting schools" you don't just jump into acting for acting sake. Learn the skills first. it's time we stop censuring every damn thing we do as oversight or "MISTAKES" "if mistake na human una no no say de thing for don beat us?'


dunno y'all but this ma opinion n wat do u guys think?
 

vince

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Originally posted by zgirl
Kemmy, and the rest....... everything y'all said about the movie industry is right. Not that I'm condemning anyone but when will the movie industry start looking at their mistakes?. I've seen lots of dramas done in the 17th, 18th and 19th century, the production looks better and all has great meaning in them. Some of them are used in schools as "LITERATURE" "Things Fall apart is one of them" I never get to see this movie until I took a literature class here in the United States. All mistakes made in the movie industry are all intentional I believe. The producers and directors know what they're doing, they rush the whole damn movies for their own benefit which is (MONEY) We talk about people seeing movies before they are released to the market, whose fault is it?, The movie industry should be blamed, I see nigerian movie trying to clone american movies, and i get scared showing it to my friend for the fear of getting in trouble. Stealing people's work without their rights? That aint cool. You see same characters acting couples upto fifteen movies a year, let's take the case of Ramsey and Genevieve, any movie featuring Ramsey and Genevieve first thing that pumps in my head is oh yeah!!!! couples again, or if familiar with the faces you believe u've actually seen the movie. Now tell me is that a mistake? C'mmon people we all have common sense, let's think with our brain. Without watching these movies I know exaclty the contents, we can even say the next lines.


I do not call these problems "MISTAKES" cos it's not. It's just premeditated issues that need to be addressed. Previous movies made in the 80's have better production, and characters........ That's why America has "Acting schools" you don't just jump into acting for acting sake. Learn the skills first. it's time we stop censuring every damn thing we do as oversight or "MISTAKES" "if mistake na human una no no say de thing for don beat us?'


dunno y'all but this ma opinion n wat do u guys think?
WORD!:D
I feel you on that.As more professionals get more involved in things,things will get a lot better in every department.A huge influx of cash will speed things up sha.Until there is a healthy inflow of investment cash,things will continue to move at a snail but steady pace.
Cash is what hollywood enjoys more than any other movie industry in the world.
 
#34
Originally posted by vince
We're all essentially saying the same thing.Over 1000 video movies are produced in nigeria annually and these flicks are spread among not so many filmmakers.What that translate into is that these directors make as many as 20-40 movies a yeah!!:eek: I mean,that is crazy!How can one expect quality flicks from such filmmakers.That quality don't go with quantity is a no brainer.I personally would like that number of films produced annually to be cut to about half.
It is possible to make quality movies in a week, but it takes those that have skills or are creative. They need good scripts and actors. Hell an actor can be mediocre, but the script must be great to over shadow the actors lack of good acting. In the article and other groups I've heard how Genevieve Nnaji is now going to have to learn how to pick better or the right scripts for her. Now this will be hard if the actor has no training. The actor must learn such things as script break down, character anyalsis etc. to know if the character is right for them. It takes more than reading the script even if it's good. There such a thing as a wonderfully miss cast actor or actress. Meaning they were great, but the part doesn't really fit them. Another thing is directors need to learn more about there craft. Go to film school, seminars, courses etc. Save up the money they are making and get them some training. Get books on videomaking/filmmaking/screenwriting etc. and read as much as they can. Get on other peoples no-budget to low-budget productions not only in Nigeria, but other parts of Africa and abroad as well. Find a way to get legal representation to protect there work better from piracy.
 
#35
Originally posted by zgirl
Kemmy, and the rest....... everything y'all said about the movie industry is right. Not that I'm condemning anyone but when will the movie industry start looking at their mistakes?. I've seen lots of dramas done in the 17th, 18th and 19th century, the production looks better and all has great meaning in them. Some of them are used in schools as "LITERATURE" "Things Fall apart is one of them" I never get to see this movie until I took a literature class here in the United States. All mistakes made in the movie industry are all intentional I believe. The producers and directors know what they're doing, they rush the whole damn movies for their own benefit which is (MONEY) We talk about people seeing movies before they are released to the market, whose fault is it?, The movie industry should be blamed, I see nigerian movie trying to clone american movies, and i get scared showing it to my friend for the fear of getting in trouble. Stealing people's work without their rights? That aint cool. You see same characters acting couples upto fifteen movies a year, let's take the case of Ramsey and Genevieve, any movie featuring Ramsey and Genevieve first thing that pumps in my head is oh yeah!!!! couples again, or if familiar with the faces you believe u've actually seen the movie. Now tell me is that a mistake? C'mmon people we all have common sense, let's think with our brain. Without watching these movies I know exaclty the contents, we can even say the next lines.


I do not call these problems "MISTAKES" cos it's not. It's just premeditated issues that need to be addressed. Previous movies made in the 80's have better production, and characters........ That's why America has "Acting schools" you don't just jump into acting for acting sake. Learn the skills first. it's time we stop censuring every damn thing we do as oversight or "MISTAKES" "if mistake na human una no no say de thing for don beat us?'


dunno y'all but this ma opinion n wat do u guys think?
Not all actors have had acting school. Some get into acting because they love it and are better than others may be at it. Doesn't mean you shouldn't get training because even with natural talent there is still much an actor needs to learn.
 
#36
Originally posted by zgirl
Thats true Gorgeous, I agree with every thing you say. Bad Production in the only problem killing nigerian movies.You make sacrifices in order to achieve your goals. They keep making damn mistakes in all their movies and boast of improving, a kid of 10 years old can do better than this. Spend money in making your movies, let the production look good and capture your audience. Ever wonder why people duplicate these tapes (movies)?, look at other countries, movies take time to make not 10 days for christ sake, and not 50 movies in a week, I think the movie industry should take this matter seriously you don't produce 100 videos in a month and expect us to buy them all that's why people duplicate movies and sell them out to their friends. Work more on this and get more facts these movies sometimes sounds fictious, get real facts. That's what your viewers expect.
Are you talking about Hollywood movies or indie movies. Some indie movies take a week or less or more. Some take three months, but most indie movies have a short production and still look good. It's not the time the movie is made, but the production. I've seen some indie films done in a short time that look great and made for 7,000 on up. People duplicate the tapes, because it's hard for Nigerian filmmakers to get legal representation. Another reason for low-budgets is how much is made. No one's going to spend a million or more if they can't even make that back. It's true they need to tone down on the movies, but then you have to look at how many people can go out and make a movie on video and sell it. It's going to take some work. It will come, but folx have to be patient especially with an industry so young there are going to be tons of mistakes, filmmakers etc. will learn from them move on and do better which is happening now. I mean they stopped three months of production to come together to see how they can improve the industry. Another thing that happens which is sort of a problem is the Nigerian filmmakers who do end up in film school and learn film and get money to make a film, but then can't get it seen in Nigeria, because there are no theaters. There are a lot of African movies that Africans don't see. A lot of them are the ones at festivals and that have been funded by European organizations etc.
 
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hahhahhah TVwrite23, c'mmon baby don't act like u don't know what we'd been talking about. Period!!!!!!! "NIGERIAN FILM PRODUCTION" is BaDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD. People are no longer spending their money on it. I don't reason through my ass when making points, no longer spend a dime watching these videos, instead I borrow it, the way it comes to those people I get it from. I dunno(have no idea)

If these bad producers can't go back,humble themselves and learn, damn it,,,,,,,,,,producers hear comments about their movies from their viewers. THEY GAT TO LEARN..........That's what people do: We learn so we don't repeat our mistakes.... You CAN NOT keep repeating mistakes all the time. This is not about talent it's about ur audience or viewers, I will make as much comments as my mouth can snatch.... if i spend money on a movie and it turns out bad. We have good actors that can make good directing "Edochie is there, Kenneth Okonkwo, Saint Obi"" These are actors that can make good productions and directing. menn I dunno y'all but if my ass hits the road to a movie inductry. I will LOOK UP TO EDOCHIE and for romantic movie that's when SAINT OBI comes in.
 

Sola

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Originally posted by TVwriter23
Another thing that happens which is sort of a problem is the Nigerian filmmakers who do end up in film school and learn film and get money to make a film, but then can't get it seen in Nigeria, because there are no theaters.
Can you name 2 celluloid movies made by these "Nigerian filmmakers" in the last 10 years, TVwriter23? I am not disputing the fact of inadequate movie theatres. Where is the celluloid film? Of course there are internationally trained filmmakers - Niji Akanni, Tade Ogidan, Tunde Kelani, etc. But they all shoot video now. It is totally unrealistic to shoot cine in Nigeria now. Too many reasons.

Originally posted by TVwriter23
There are a lot of African movies that Africans don't see. A lot of them are the ones at festivals and that have been funded by European organizations etc.
A LOT? Well, maybe a handful actually get made. And why are they not seen? Those movies you make reference to, TVwriter23, have a different problem. They do not appeal to their local audience, that's all. Mostly produced in Francophone countries with money from the govt and France, they are not seen because the closest market to them do not fancy them. The local markets are busy watching Nigerian movies nowadays. Many of these movie makers make films for themselves, not for an audience. They are "arty", and so lose the interest of people who want stories immediately impacting on their lives. Perhaps they will take a cue from the revolution in Africa and make their movies more relevant, although the craft is undeniably world class.

There is nothing wrong with "arty" films, but it is the pop films that make money and keep the industry buoyant, not niche products.
 

khamileon

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Originally posted by Sola
Chico has never been like any other director. Take that from me.
And Khamileon must be exaggerating slightly. Usually, even Chico shoots for 6-7 days, then he goes into the editing room for another week or so.:D

SOLA, THE CHICO U KNOW DON CHANGE O! HE KNOCK "IYANGA" IN 3DAYS..WAIT TILL U READ HIS INTERVIEW FIRST. I CANT STOP LAUGHING OR FIGHTING WITH CHICO WHENEVER WE ARE TOGETHER. BY THE WAY HE IS COMING TO LONDON FOR A WEEK PLUS..JUST WATCH HOW MANY MOVIES HE WILL MAKE.
THOUGH I DONT TOTALLY AGREE WITH HIS WORKING STYLE, BUT WHEN I INTERVIEWED HIM..HE MADE SOME SENCE TO ME AND HE DEFINITELY KNOWS WHAT HE WANTS AND SINCE HE IS BEEN INVITED ROUND THE WORLD AND WINING AWARDS ALL OVER I DONT SEE HIM CHANGING HIS WORKING STYLE..

BY THE WAY A FOUR MAN CREW FROM BBC CAME TO INTERVIEW HIM ABOUT TWO DAYS AGO. I MADE PICTURES OF THE INTERVIEW..Y'ALL STAY STRONG.. MY ALBUM WILL BE OUT SOON.
 

vince

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Originally posted by khamileon
SOLA, THAT NA OLD CHICO U KNOW O! HE KNOCK "IYANGA" IN 3DAYS..WAIT TILL U READ HIS INTERVIEW FIRST
Yikes!! :eeek 3 whole days,eh!
Thanks for mentioning the name of the movie.
I will like to read the interview sha.I'm really interested.
 
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