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Nigerians- Most Educated In U.S

Discussion in 'NEWS, BOOKS, CULTURE' started by NTB, May 20, 2008.

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  1. Ayesha

    Ayesha InaAni - Classic Beauty

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    Well good point too but they also have to follow through with the consequences.. You get dinged for corruption, take back all the money and invest in the country and let the person stand trial and be jailed.. See the case of Enron!!
     
  2. funmo

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    I am not saying this to scare people, but to ensure that no one is naive about what is on ground. There are people who are doing stuff on the ground, but they do a lot of homework before committing any resources. Even then its a leap of faith. I dunno if it is poverty mentality, or just the need to survive, or just pure greed and ignorance, but many of our people (not all o, no crucify me abeg), but many of our people are not trustworthy. How many of you would even try to build a house without being there? Or run any kind of business. People just collect money and spend it - with nothing, absolutely nothing to show for it. Its terrifying, honestly. Na real devil o!:fbreath
     
  3. filmdirector

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    I know. Remember the glass is not full yet.:)

    I think it a little healthier to see the positive a little bit. Trust me if i told you the things I have experienced in all my working trips to NIgeria, you would ask me why I even bother.

    But when I want to complain, I remember the people that were good honest folks, that didn't see me as a money bag and that were genuine.
     
  4. filmdirector

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    This is so true. Rule number one in Nigeria. Whatever you do, handle the money bag. If you don't think you can, then don't start that project yet. If you remember that rule - he that has the money bag can control, then you are set.
     
  5. Irinajoeda

    Irinajoeda OPOMULERO MOJALEKAN

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    My dear Nigermerican, many thanks for your case studies, however, I have to let you know that your case studies were well wasted on me. Why?

    Anyone who calls himself a Nigerian is well aware of these ills. Now, isn't it interesting that you see the herbalist as the "baddie" in your story? One that created this harsh environment? The way I see it is this, the herbalist was only ignorant and i'm sure Nigeria isn't the only country that has this, right? I'm sure some mothers do have 'em in that glorious America too, non? Whose responsibility is it to enlighten these illiterates? Isn't it a job for fellow Nigerian like you? Except you're like some who say they only acquired all these knowledge to better themselves...lol.

    Well, the doctor, however good his intention, went by it the wrong way! You don't because you studied in the west and want to give back to your community expect to walk in without a hitch. This people do not know you for crying out loud! You have no rappor with the community. You expect to say you're a doctor and you're here to help and they are meant to pave your way with gold? No! The herbalist thought his livelyhood would be threatened and who wouldn't? These people need re-orientation! God knows that a lot of these so called educated Nigerians in the diaspora needs it too! I mean, how do you explain someone who's read so much still believing that the government(someone who seats atop Aso rock or who is a member of parliament) is to be blamed for all the ills of the soceity? The fact is the government is you and I and we are collectively corrupt! It is this same your or I that will in the future contest for governmental seat. When we get there, do we suddenly become saints? What sort of government do you expect a corrupt soceity to produce? The likes of Abacha, Babangida and the likes didn't attend a special corrupt school, they lived amongst you and I, the corrupt ones and just because you've left Nigeria doesn't avail you of this too.

    In a nutshell, your doctor should have tried to integrate into the soceity, know their weaknesses, by so doing he would know that these people need some kind of rehabilitation first, before even embarking on any form of project. Like I said, don't go to Nigeria thinking you're doing it any favours, see it as you doing yourself a favour but the road isn't going to be smooth just like anything that's worth having at all.

    Forget patriotism! Patrio-what!? Hahaha, you and I know that there is more to gain from Nigeria than what you can give it. The south Africans will tell you that, I mean look at it, they run the telecommunication industry, the chinese run the manufacturing sector in YOUR own country! They are making MONEY!. It's up to you to take your stake.

    I'm not one to rejoice at the demise of others but I bet that Damilola Taylor's parents would have sworn that their lives would be better in the UK but what's happened now? The whole family has almost being wiped out in a country that has things in order the country were crime rate is low. I be the Dosunmu family who's child was shot point blank in bed thought they'd escaped gruesome murders in Nigeria. I bet a lot of Nigerians who have been killed in America thought it was better to be in a country that had steady water supply and regular electricity and good policing. I guess it's better to die in America than in Nigeria afterall, you get buried in a nice cemetry and get people to bring you flowers. Death in America is "chic" as opposed to Nigeria! Hellooooooooooo! Death is death and it can happen anywhere in the world! Only God guarantees safety! Didn't I read somewhere that South Africa is the most dangerous country to live in - in Africa? But guess what, our people go there nontheless because anywhere is better than Nigeria, right?

    If America hadn't built it's country, would you be there? There are universities in your country, how come you chose the states? No, don't tell me, it's because the system work isn't it? Unlike your country where things are in shambles, where the government (that powerful man) disallowed you from dreaming big, right? I guess the government held Dangote down, I guess a lot of our mates who are still alive in Nigeria now were just so lucky because the armed robbers didn't have their address.

    I am not asking for patriotism, it just kills me that we are allegedly intelligent, yet we get treated like shit by the western world, never minding that we contribute immensely to their economy! It just makes sense to me more that with these education, we can make Nigeria better and alleviate these crimes, these poverty back home. Money is good, sending money home is fine but giving time to impart this knowledge on the "babalawo" for instance would go a long way. Rather than give a man a fish, why not teach him to fish?
     
  6. Irinajoeda

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    Maverick, the government is an extract of the soceity. It's a mirror effect. What you see of the government, is what the people is. All our governments are our collective product.

    The world is sinful so any child born of a woman is not devoid of sin. Nigeria bore Babangida and you say he is corrupt? We all are responsible for the state that country is in today. Now that we've seen the damage, we have to collectively resolve this and rid ourselves of this harsh environment mentality.

    Ayesha said in one of her earlier post that she will be going for PhD to improve herself, right? I would say it's a selfish mentality if you're not willing to impart on others but then others would vehemently disagree with me. Now, picture Ayesha as Nigeria's head of state. Wouldn't she be there just for herself? This is the ripple effect we have in Nigeria now and that is the kind of government we've been producing. To better myself and my family.
     
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    ...but if something isn't right in your apartment, you fix it, right? You say this place is your village, bah? You get discomforts everytime you travel? Perhaps your car even broke down abi? But no o, it's the government that has to do it o, no be only my papa dey drive on this road, nah.

    If you don't like the direction your sofa is facing, you turn it around! If you can afford it, why not just tarr this road? Why wait for a government that has over 36 states and thousands of local government and probably millions of "this way to ogbologbo village" to come and tarr your roads? How much does your local government even get from so called government.

    Oh oil! We're back on that ba? I bet your village probably produces the finest palm oil or the tastiest rice. Why not focus on this to bring in revenue rather than having your eye on the oil! Wetin make Delta people wey dem land is being abused, wetin make dem do? These people can't even boast of land talkless of worrying about untarred road! Even their water is polluted o. Yet it is their land where this oil is extracted.

    If you don't like it, fix it if not, keep schtum! (No offence o).
     
  8. Pretty Girl

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    Very interesting and educative thread I must admit.

    But my little question is this, since a number of comments have been written back and forth here that we Nigerians need to quit blamming the so-called Nigerian government for the never-ending predicament that the Nation is facing, then why were selected people out of the whole country specially elected or chosen to rule/govern the masses in that country.

    I mean, what are the responsibilities of the government in any given country?
     
  9. Papino

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    Keep it coming folks.Am loving it heremusic-sm:
    We are getting to the basics of the matter which i mentioned earlier and that is "re-orientation".I saw it mentioned directly and indirectly several times already in this thread.Nigerian police cannot be corupt-free if the Nigerian society that produced them remain deeply corrupt.
    Instances of failed attempts by diasporans to return home is not exactly music to my ears.Wimpy soldiers can as well argue that soldiers die a lot during wars therefore,they would not got to war.Meanwhile, the follow-up instances of Nigerians that also die scandalously in the diaspora adequately addressed that.
    Folks,the solution is still located at taking effective steps towards a total re-orientation of every Nigerian no matter where he or she is residing.Religiously,it can be equated to the need to circumcise the heart/mind.
     
  10. The Maverick

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    My dear Irin, now you're going in circles, no one is saying we don't need to fix Nigeria. You still don't want to acknowledge that people are already doing it. Be it moving back to create or do something, or doing it from their international bases. But we can't all do it at the same time; it's not going to turn around over night. Back in the days, people like my parents and I'm sure the parents of many of you on this board went abroad and studied and went home. Back then things were conducive for them to do that. Times have changed, and whether you like it or not, you have to factor that into your equation. And some of those that did go back and tried their best are now leaving the country. Believe me they aren't stupid, they have endured enough.

    You're preaching to the choir here, but your sermon is rather fantastic in nature. You have to look at the hard realities of the world we live in; access your options before you do things.

    Shouldn't the orientation you speak of go both ways though? What guarantee does a returnee have for their safety during this orientation period? A young man here in the Los Angeles area, went home to start a business, get married and ultimately move back to foster the business and raise a family...he lasted less than two weeks and never got married. Why? Because he went and cleared a car he sent home to use for the wedding and give to his dad, they shot him cold bloodedly after he already handed the keys to them. I mean, how long do you realistically expect someone to spend and adjust to life there, especially, when the same people you're supposedly coming to help wouldn't even let you breathe?

    And when you say something or advice, you're told that you're not here, so you don't understand. Ok, fine, perhaps, why aren't the ones back home who do understand fix it then? I mean, it's a no win situation. I don tire sef. This talk is going no where. You say education should enlighten the educated and open their minds to new things. And I agree. I've had an open mind to this discourse, and I've evaluated your points and showed you the loopholes and pitfalls in them. You've asked me questions and I answered. Yet, I've asked you several questions that went unanswered, I've started numerous points that went unchallenged, consequently, you hang on to the same rhetoric - how is that being open minded on your part?

    Why won't we be treated like shit, when our government represents us as shit? That's the point you have failed to acknowledge. The world sees us as the government. If the government doesn't give a shit about us, why should they? They came and raped our lands and resources to enrich themselves. The plan was to go their lands and garner their knowledge and apply it at home. At first it worked, until things fell apart, and shit hit the fan. The country was under siege by a clandestine group of power mongers who are yet to abdicate the thrown. Now people are caught in between, unable to go back to once a beautiful land they left. What are the options? Stay where you, at least, you are relatively safe, you can eat and help out small, or go back and risk losing everything and some cases paying with your life.

    Some have chosen to return, some chose to stay back and others are in between, ultimately, one day we'll build that utopia you desperately want.
     
  11. The Maverick

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    I just responded to one of your earlier posts without seeing this. I accused you of not responding to my argument. But here you did, so I apologize.

    Ok, how do we get rid of this government? Do you know the first thing I get whenever I say something about doing anything in Nigeria? That I'm not qualified because I'm not there so I don't understand. Fine, so tell me how I'm supposed to pack up from America and come push out this government with very little or no resources?
     
  12. Ayesha

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    You are completely missing the point.. What makes you think that people here in the Diaspora are not doing anything? Just because they don't broadcast it all over the place.. Seriously, don't judge a book by its cover and let me tell you.. Capital Projects belong to the government and that includes Roads, bridges, and all the other things that make a country progress..

    Do you know why citizens pay taxes? Do you know why in America if you defraud IRS, you can go to jail? Let me school you now, when you collect money from citizens of a country, be it through the Motor Vehicle Administration or through taxes and what not.. You better use that money to fix roads and all the things that you are supposed to do.. I will continue to blame the government for thier inadequacies on how to manage resources in a country..

    Have you heard of Public Administration? Do you know to work for the government, your whole life will be scrutinized through the background checks because in America, they are very cautious of wasting tax payers dollars.. My dear, dont argue what you dont know and dont force your self patroitism on anyone.. Believe me.. I love my country to death and go research and see what we (my Nigerian collegues) are trying to do effect that change..

    You can write all what you want up here, please I want to see how YOU have made a BIG CHANGE that will help the masses.. otherwise, please stick to the argument and stop acting like you are the only one that loves Nigeria so damn much.. Everybody writing on this thread loves the motherland so please my dear dont get it twisted!!!
     
  13. Ayesha

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    The good thing is that you have no idea who I am and what I am capable of doing so I will let you slide on this your analogy about Ayesha..
     
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    My answer would be limited to Nigeria because of obvious reasons.
    The responsibility of the Nigerian government at this stage of our development,is to provide an environment for good governance and not necessarily good governance itself.In such an environment,good roads,electricity,water etc would be provided with an enabling oppurtunity for private and public enterprise.
    Whether they have achieved this aim is another issue.Why do i think that government should just provide the environment?Bcos our peculiarities still limits the government to providing the environment for now.Hence we are calling it an improvement that former governors can be probed and sitting members of parliament can be called to account for their duties as parliamentarians.For now,governors who utilise federal government allocation adequately,recieve awards.CHECK1
    When Nigeria gets to the stage where Nigerians do not question why ex-governors should account for their tenure in government,we can then move to the American and Western stages where government responsibility include provision of basics of life and good governance,and a state where every citizen is an ambassador no matter where he/she is staying.
     
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    You are so right. All hands must be on deck degree or no degree. We all have our roles to play.
     
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    How long shall we continue to spend our salaries upgrading roads, hospitals, and schools and holding medical missions? In each state's budget there is money for these things. In as much as we believe that we are helping we are really doing the opposite; we are enablers to those thieves. The money is there and we know whose coffers they are going into.
     
  17. The Maverick

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    None taken.[Assuming your reply doesn't only apply to Ayesha]

    Let me give you a brief account of my hometown Abiriba in Abia State. We are known for our resilience and independence. Not a single social ammenity in my village came by way of the government, not the schools, roads, electricity, hospital, library etc, none of them was furnished by the government. Rather, it was my people, home and abroad that contributed the resources that went into building and maintaining those things. It's almost an unwritten law in my village that if you're building your home in new area that you provide the new road, if you happen to have neighbors building there too, the lot of you will work together to provide the road. My village is not alone, thousands of communities are doing the same across the Igbo land and other parts of Nigeria. Again, you are failing to acknowledge that these contributions you speak of have been in effect for a long time and is still on going.

    Ok, so when we all build up our on communities and what not, what exactly is the government's responsibility like Pretty Girl asked. Can you please answer this since I have no right blaming them for anything.

    You mentioned Delta, thanks for bringing that up. Would it kill them to at least appease the people of that area even if it's a charade by developing that region. I mean their most important and lucrative source of funds is milked from those lands. But it's not their responsibility, the Delta people should continue fishing in their polluted waters and hope to make enough money selling the fish to build their roads, schools and hospitals right?

    Seriously, what exactly is the government doing for the people then, or should they do?

    You don't say? Really...and then when they do keep schtum and do it themselves quitely, what do you say...?
    Which one is it then???
     
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    Ok, this is fine. Now let's examine our current state, can we say that the government has provided this simple basic need you outlined? I say No. Anyone that says yes please enlighten me.
     
  19. Irinajoeda

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    What is enough? How do you know when you've had enough? You have enough because you know there is somewhere else to run to. How about those who don't have that highly coveted greencard? They stay put and thaw it out and eventually succeed at it. If the likes of Mandela didn't stay to thaw it out, he wouldn't be the global icon he is today and black SA wouldn't even be alive to fight migrants now. It's this kind of resilience that we the generation of today lack. Think about it, we haven't the same zeal as our fore fathers had. It's lost! If the 3 stoogies namely Zik, Awo and Tafa hadn't endured, there would be no 1st of October.

    Yes, access your options but stop being a "ready, set...set..." person. Be a "ready, set, fire". person.

    As you said earlier, people are already doing it. So in that same token I say to you; for every individual that gets killed, there are also those that returned, made a success of it and are alive and kicking still. I bet you watched a good number of American movies and heard of violence that happens in America. How about cases where youngsters go into schools and open fire on students? Isn't that the same country where individuals could have licence to own guns? Permit me to go in circles again and reiterate that crime occurs everwhere in the world and America is no exception. That young man could have been killed in America.

    My sincere apologies. I really didn't realise you asked me questions. I would make sure I re-read your previous posts and address accordingly.

    Oh now I get it. If this is the sort of comments you required my response to then I am clear as to why I ignored them. You see, we have differing views on the word "government". You believe government is an authority and I believe it's the people regardless of rigging or not. Please refer to my previous posts to see an elaboration on this. I refuse and will forever refuse to see an interpretation of government in your view. It's warped! And for an educated mind such as you claim to be, i'm somewhat disappointed. The government is a product of the soceity; the soceity is you and I. If the government is bad, then you and I are doing something wrong.

    See, I know lives should be valued and I don't want you to die, neither do I want to die but until we can be selfless, then there is no shifting.

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    I don't believe in Utopia, I believe in reality.
     
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    Thanks for obliging me.
     
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