Nigerians- Most Educated In U.S

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Irinajoeda

OPOMULERO MOJALEKAN
How long shall we continue to spend our salaries upgrading roads, hospitals, and schools and holding medical missions? In each state's budget there is money for these things. In as much as we believe that we are helping we are really doing the opposite; we are enablers to those thieves. The money is there and we know whose coffers they are going into.
I have no objection to you waiting on the government to release the money alocated in the budget. By all means, continue to spend your money on repairing the car or betterstill buy a new one and i'm sure the bad road will always be ready to assist you in spending that well earned money.
 

Irinajoeda

OPOMULERO MOJALEKAN
You are completely missing the point.. What makes you think that people here in the Diaspora are not doing anything? Just because they don't broadcast it all over the place.. Seriously, don't judge a book by its cover and let me tell you.. Capital Projects belong to the government and that includes Roads, bridges, and all the other things that make a country progress..

Do you know why citizens pay taxes? Do you know why in America if you defraud IRS, you can go to jail? Let me school you now, when you collect money from citizens of a country, be it through the Motor Vehicle Administration or through taxes and what not.. You better use that money to fix roads and all the things that you are supposed to do.. I will continue to blame the government for thier inadequacies on how to manage resources in a country..

Have you heard of Public Administration? Do you know to work for the government, your whole life will be scrutinized through the background checks because in America, they are very cautious of wasting tax payers dollars.. My dear, dont argue what you dont know and dont force your self patroitism on anyone.. Believe me.. I love my country to death and go research and see what we (my Nigerian collegues) are trying to do effect that change..

You can write all what you want up here, please I want to see how YOU have made a BIG CHANGE that will help the masses.. otherwise, please stick to the argument and stop acting like you are the only one that loves Nigeria so damn much.. Everybody writing on this thread loves the motherland so please my dear dont get it twisted!!!
No, I haven't heard of public administration. What is it?
 

NTB

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I have no objection to you waiting on the government to release the money alocated in the budget. By all means, continue to spend your money on repairing the car or betterstill buy a new one and i'm sure the bad road will always be ready to assist you in spending that well earned money.

You fail to see the big picture. action-s:
 

The Maverick

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What is enough? How do you know when you've had enough? You have enough because you know there is somewhere else to run to. How about those who don't have that highly coveted greencard? They stay put and thaw it out and eventually succeed at it. If the likes of Mandela didn't stay to thaw it out, he wouldn't be the global icon he is today and black SA wouldn't even be alive to fight migrants now. It's this kind of resilience that we the generation of today lack. Think about it, we haven't the same zeal as our fore fathers had. It's lost! If the 3 stoogies namely Zik, Awo and Tafa hadn't endured, there would be no 1st of October.



Yes, access your options but stop being a "ready, set...set..." person. Be a "ready, set, fire". person.



As you said earlier, people are already doing it. So in that same token I say to you; for every individual that gets killed, there are also those that returned, made a success of it and are alive and kicking still. I bet you watched a good number of American movies and heard of violence that happens in America. How about cases where youngsters go into schools and open fire on students? Isn't that the same country where individuals could have licence to own guns? Permit me to go in circles again and reiterate that crime occurs everwhere in the world and America is no exception. That young man could have been killed in Nigeria.



My sincere apologies. I really didn't realise you asked me questions. I would make sure I re-read your previous posts and address accordingly.



Oh now I get it. If this is the sort of comments you required my response to then I am clear as to why I ignored them. You see, we have differing views on the word "government". You believe government is an authority and I believe it's the people regardless of rigging or not. Please refer to my previous posts to see an elaboration on this. I refuse and will forever refuse to see an interpretation of government in your view. It's warped! And for an educated mind such as you claim to be, i'm somewhat disappointed. The government is a product of the soceity; the soceity is you and I. If the government is bad, then you and I are doing something wrong.

See, I know lives should be valued and I don't want you to die, neither do I want to die but until we can be selfless, then there is no shifting.

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I don't believe in Utopia, I believe in reality.
Please remind me again where I "claimed" to be an educated "mind." If I remember correctly, I said I have a degree in engineering. You've made it clear that education isn't always wisdom she? So make assumptions at your own peril.

You're somewhat disappointed? Why "somewhat"? You should be outrightly disappointed, why stop along the way. But here's the funny thing about disappointments, see, your person and opinion has to matter to me for me to give a shit about your state of mind towards my frame of argument. And since you don't, you can take that disappointment and...!

Life is in a constant state of flux. The essence of governance is a part of life as it has been defined and thus, subject to the motion of life. It's not static, but rather dynamic. Everything in life, needs to be looked at with a frame of reference, that's the only way to truly understand things. Hence, you can hold on to your rigid understanding of government as defined to you by Webster, void of the parameters of reality and obviously lacking any measure of reference. I see it differently, or rather, "I'm warped" in my views.

Since obviously neither of us are going to compromise on this government issue, let's bury the contention. It's been fun. But pardon me, I need to pack...I'm going to waste my hard earned money, thanks to my useless degress on an Island somewhere in the middle of the ocean. food-sm:

:bow:You win :action-sm, I'm the bad guy, the useless degree holder that has refused to contribute to Nigeria, but rather slave for the white man instead of building his own nation. I'll now start try and make contributions and when I do, I'll let you know. I won't stop there, you've just convinced me to pack up and come home, see you next week, when I get back from the Island that is. No, but seriously, it was a pleasure. You made some valid points albiet with questionable foundations. I'm willing to make a compromise and meet you at the middle ground!

Thanks for keeping it civil folks! :fing02: Carry on, I'll read from the sidelines, if time permits, I'll chime in.
 

Ayesha

InaAni - Classic Beauty
No, I haven't heard of public administration. What is it?
There is an American company that makes it very easy for us.. Sotay the dictionary made it a word.. It's called google.. You can google anything you want.. You can even google to find answers to how useless degrees in the diaspora are if you don't come home to help out according to your standards.

My dear.. I don't know where you are going and where you are coming from but dont sit there and act holier than thou about loving Nigeria.. If you are the sole person that will effect change in Nigeria, my dear I commend you..Otherwise, you don't a person mind, you don't know a person's objective in life.. so don't make assumptions on baseless facts..
 

NTB

Well-Known Member
There is an American company that makes it very easy for us.. Sotay the dictionary made it a word.. It's called google.. You can google anything you want.. You can even google to find answers to how useless degrees in the diaspora are if you don't come home to help out according to your standards.

My dear.. I don't know where you are going and where you are coming from but dont sit there and act holier than thou about loving Nigeria.. If you are the sole person that will effect change in Nigeria, my dear I commend you..Otherwise, you don't a person mind, you don't know a person's objective in life.. so don't make assumptions on baseless facts..
Ayesha abeg make u no kill me with :happy024:
 

NTB

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Please remind me again where I "claimed" to be an educated "mind." If I remember correctly, I said I have a degree in engineering. You've made it clear that education isn't always wisdom she? So make assumptions at your own peril.

You're somewhat disappoint? Why "somewhat"? You should be outrightly disappointed, why stop along the way. But here's the funny thing about disappointments, see, your person and opinion has to matter to me for me to give a shit about your state of mind towards my frame of argument. And since you don't, you can take that disappointment and...!

Life is in a constant state of flux. The essence of governance is a part of life as it has been defined and thus, subject to the motion of life. It's not static, but rather dynamic. Everything in life, needs to be looked at with a frame of reference, that's the only way to truly understand things. Hence, you can hold on to your rigid understanding of government as defined to you by Webster, void of the parameters of reality and obviously lacking any measure of reference. I see it differently, or rather, "I'm warped" in my views.

Since obviously neither of us are going to compromise on this government issue, let's bury the contention. It's been fun. But pardon me, I need to pack...I'm going to waste my hard earned money, thanks to my useless degress on an Island somewhere in the middle of the ocean. food-sm:

:bow:You win :action-sm, I'm the bad guy, the useless degree holder that has refused to contribute to Nigeria, but rather slave for the white man instead of building his own nation. I'll now start try and make contributions and when I do, I'll let you know. I won't stop there, you've just convinced me to pack up and come home, see you next week, when I get back from the Island that is. No, but seriously, it was a pleasure. You made some valid points albiet with questionable foundations. I'm willing to make a compromise and meet you at the middle ground!

Thanks for keeping it civil folks! :fing02: Carry on, I'll read from the sidelines, if time permits, I'll chime in.

Nna supa ya. I see an award coming ur way. :653:
 

Irinajoeda

OPOMULERO MOJALEKAN
There is an American company that makes it very easy for us.. Sotay the dictionary made it a word.. It's called google.. You can google anything you want.. You can even google to find answers to how useless degrees in the diaspora are if you don't come home to help out according to your standards.

My dear.. I don't know where you are going and where you are coming from but dont sit there and act holier than thou about loving Nigeria.. If you are the sole person that will effect change in Nigeria, my dear I commend you..Otherwise, you don't a person mind, you don't know a person's objective in life.. so don't make assumptions on baseless facts..
There is something called google? Thanks for the pointer, i'll sure check it out (insert sarcasm here:spiny:)

Okay, to your second paragraph. Listen, i've said it over and over again and if I was white, i'd be blue in the face by now. Nigeria can benefit you more than you think you can benefit it! It only pains me that with all the degrees we accumulate and the enlightenment we think we now have, we fail to see where to utilise our education to it's maximum potential and reap the fruit. Pardon me for being overzealous and too ambitious but it just pains me that with all these accolades, we still don't have a seat in the world arena. We are a laughing stock because our home is shiatsu! We can be known to be a Phillip Emeagwali in the world but that is a personal achievement. If we continue to strive for our own personal goals alone, then we shouldn't complain if we present our Nigerian passport (for those who still have it at all), and the first thing they think to do is dial 911. We can't in the diaspora alone, clean our image. We do it by putting home in shape. Help in renewing the minds of Nigerians back in Nigeria and some in the diaspora too. No matter how much good we do here, there are still some who believe in making fast bucks back home without working for it and think Yahoo business is it. You can decorate the peripherals but if inwardly, the structure is shaky, it will eventually crumble, and big time, it will.

I am not holy, i'm very far from holy. However, if the little I can do to contribute in my lifetime is to bring awareness to Nigerians who think they are above it, that personal achievement without benefiting a third party is virtually meaningless then i'll know that i've served a purpose. Listen, if you think you're put in this world to serve yourself, then you're a joker. Think about the bible story, about the men that were given different talent (i'm getting all church,now:spiny:). I say no more on that issue.

Yorubas would say: "Agbajowo lafi n sanya, owo kan lasan o gberudori".

Google that!
 

Irinajoeda

OPOMULERO MOJALEKAN
Please remind me again where I "claimed" to be an educated "mind." If I remember correctly, I said I have a degree in engineering. You've made it clear that education isn't always wisdom she? So make assumptions at your own peril.

You're somewhat disappointed? Why "somewhat"? You should be outrightly disappointed, why stop along the way. But here's the funny thing about disappointments, see, your person and opinion has to matter to me for me to give a shit about your state of mind towards my frame of argument. And since you don't, you can take that disappointment and...!

Life is in a constant state of flux. The essence of governance is a part of life as it has been defined and thus, subject to the motion of life. It's not static, but rather dynamic. Everything in life, needs to be looked at with a frame of reference, that's the only way to truly understand things. Hence, you can hold on to your rigid understanding of government as defined to you by Webster, void of the parameters of reality and obviously lacking any measure of reference. I see it differently, or rather, "I'm warped" in my views.

Since obviously neither of us are going to compromise on this government issue, let's bury the contention. It's been fun. But pardon me, I need to pack...I'm going to waste my hard earned money, thanks to my useless degress on an Island somewhere in the middle of the ocean. food-sm:

:bow:You win :action-sm, I'm the bad guy, the useless degree holder that has refused to contribute to Nigeria, but rather slave for the white man instead of building his own nation. I'll now start try and make contributions and when I do, I'll let you know. I won't stop there, you've just convinced me to pack up and come home, see you next week, when I get back from the Island that is. No, but seriously, it was a pleasure. You made some valid points albiet with questionable foundations. I'm willing to make a compromise and meet you at the middle ground!

Thanks for keeping it civil folks! Carry on, I'll read from the sidelines, if time permits, I'll chime in.
I'll take the disappointment and hold on to it. It's big! Major! And i'll never look at the Nigermerican the same way again! Big disappointment.:spin2:

Home is looking forward to having you. Pack it all and make sure you give up the green card as well so that you'll be sure not to jump ship again.:spin2:

It's been my pleasure. Astala vista, bobo! Lol...
 

vince

Well-Known Member
There is something called google? Thanks for the pointer, i'll sure check it out (insert sarcasm here:spiny:)

Okay, to your second paragraph. Listen, i've said it over and over again and if I was white, i'd be blue in the face by now. Nigeria can benefit you more than you think you can benefit it! It only pains me that with all the degrees we accumulate and the enlightenment we think we now have, we fail to see where to utilise our education to it's maximum potential and reap the fruit. Pardon me for being overzealous and too ambitious but it just pains me that with all these accolades, we still don't have a seat in the world arena. We are a laughing stock because our home is shiatsu! We can be known to be a Phillip Emeagwali in the world but that is a personal achievement. If we continue to strive for our own personal goals alone, then we shouldn't complain if we present our Nigerian passport (for those who still have it at all), and the first thing they think to do is dial 911. We can't in the diaspora alone, clean our image. We do it by putting home in shape. Help in renewing the minds of Nigerians back in Nigeria and some in the diaspora too. No matter how much good we do here, there are still some who believe in making fast bucks back home without working for it and think Yahoo business is it. You can decorate the peripherals but if inwardly, the structure is shaky, it will eventually crumble, and big time, it will.

I am not holy, i'm very far from holy. However, if the little I can do to contribute in my lifetime is to bring awareness to Nigerians who think they are above it, that personal achievement without benefiting a third party is virtually meaningless then i'll know that i've served a purpose. Listen, if you think you're put in this world to serve yourself, then you're a joker. Think about the bible story, about the men that were given different talent (i'm getting all church,now:spiny:). I say no more on that issue.

Yorubas would say: "Agbajowo lafi n sanya, owo kan lasan o gberudori".

Google that!
All is well said,that needs to be said.Need i add anything more?

Hopefully we shall all wake up one day and grow big enough balls to go back and do something great for our civilization in the face of all adversities....and that includes moi.Until then...
 

Obariba

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Ob's editorial - Raise the bar !

BACHELOR'S AND BEYOND
In America, Nigerians' education pursuit is above rest
Whether driven by immigration or family, data show more earn degrees

By LESLIE CASIMIR
Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle
So back to the original concern ...why is Ob not excited by this news ???

Well its a little newspaper somewhere in Texas.Very few people will get a chance to read it. I guess it would have meant more to me if it was published in the New York times or featured on Cnn or Oprah.

Im thinking to myself ..what would the typical American reader think when they read that article ???

Maybe they would say ..."Wow how impressive ...these Nigerians are really ambitious and strive for academic heights" !!!

yeah right !!!

I just feel sad that the state of Nigerian affairs have gotten so low that we would read this article in some insignificant newspaper and get really excited.

Some of our people would say "Well at least we have some positive press this time" !!!

I pray that some day our expectations for ourselves and our country's image would rise above some patronizing comment about our evergreen educational status/achievements.

I hope that we would raise the bar and strive for the kind of respect and acknowledgment that is more significant and monumental .....and hopefully some day we would stop settling for crummy pats on the back from minute local newspapers !!


N/B

Dear editor,
Nigerians are not driven to academic heights due to family or immigration ........... its the way of life among Nigerians ....we strive even in our motherland were tuition is free in federal universities.

Like ur articl says -- (Staying in school
The reasons Nigerians have more post-graduate degrees than any other racial or ethnic group are largely due to Nigerian society's emphasis on mandatory and free education.)
Something the American educational system could learn a thing or two about !

Acquiring an education comes easy to us just like it does your upper class Americans ...the difference is in Nigeria if you have the interest to go to college ...just pass the Jamb .....you are in. Most immigrants come to America with a college degree ... refer to the World Education Service that evaluates our degrees and they will tell you.

Obtaining an education is second nature to us.

So believe it or not we are not just a bunch of people you view on your Feed the children networks / scammers...we are indeed a learned bunch of people ...Thank you very much !!

I hope indeed to see this article and pictures of Nigerians posted around this great country on major media networks as posterboys for promoting Educational achievment/excellence. ... then and only then will this article be worth my time.
 

vince

Well-Known Member
OUCH!Mean and wikked gyal,you!
So back to the original concern ...why is Ob not excited by this news ???

Well its a little newspaper somewhere in Texas.Very few people will get a chance to read it. I guess it would have meant more to me if it was published in the New York times or featured on Cnn or Oprah.

Im thinking to myself ..what would the typical American reader think when they read that article ???

Maybe they would say ..."Wow how impressive ...these Nigerians are really ambitious and strive for academic heights" !!!

yeah right !!!

I just feel sad that the state of Nigerian affairs have gotten so low that we would read this article in some insignificant newspaper and get really excited.

Some of our people would say "Well at least we have some positive press this time" !!!

I pray that some day our expectations for ourselves and our country's image would rise above some patronizing comment about our evergreen educational status/achievements.

I hope that we would raise the bar and strive for the kind of respect and acknowledgment that is more significant and monumental .....and hopefully some day we would stop settling for crummy pats on the back from minute local newspapers !!
 

kolinzo

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Abi o. It also implies you can only contribute to Nigeria's development when you are PHYSICALLY present in Nigeria. How much of the money earned with those degrees abroad have been invested in Nigeria, pumped into businesses and personal development (school fees, daily upkeep, etc)? DIdn't a recent report indicate again that Diaspora Nigerians contribute billions of Naira to the economy via WU and MG? Make una celebrate the news abeg. Naijas abroad are doing great and it will only get better. Time is on our side, so says the song...
I was going to point that out pops! There is no way this news is not a good news for Naija! No way!! Nigerians in America make more money when they earn their degrees, which can only translate to more investments back home (for those of us who are doing something, and those who want to invest). When we send money back home to our people it makes it easier on them to buy food, live comfortably. Only Nigerians I see downplaying educational achievement. If this news was to be about scammer and they generalize this on nigerians in the U.S, people would be saying it is racism or whatever. It's sad!!!
 

Eee

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One could die trying."A beautiful death",it is called,if i can borrow that line from a hollywood movie.Dying without even trying to start that journey is a fate worse than hell,IMO.
Only if the cause is a worthy one and you're sure it's going somewhere.

Besides some of y'all need to quit generalizing.Just cos you don't see it happening or people don't go about broadcasting their good works doesn't mean it's not happening.All these cheap talks.Don't just talk the talk, walk it too.
 

TheForce

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As I read all these debates and arguments that have been going on here, I beamed for joy and said to myself "IF NIGERIA HAVE ALL THESE INTELLIGENT PEOPLE, THEN NIGERIA HAS A FUTURE"

Forget that we are on different sides of the rope, one only need to take a glance at these posts to conclude that, the contributors are intelligent and can save our nation when the right time comes whether collectively or as an individual.
 

OlaMichael

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My dear Nigermerican, many thanks for your case studies, however, I have to let you know that your case studies were well wasted on me. Why?

Anyone who calls himself a Nigerian is well aware of these ills. Now, isn't it interesting that you see the herbalist as the "baddie" in your story? One that created this harsh environment? The way I see it is this, the herbalist was only ignorant and i'm sure Nigeria isn't the only country that has this, right? I'm sure some mothers do have 'em in that glorious America too, non? Whose responsibility is it to enlighten these illiterates? Isn't it a job for fellow Nigerian like you? Except you're like some who say they only acquired all these knowledge to better themselves...lol.

Well, the doctor, however good his intention, went by it the wrong way! You don't because you studied in the west and want to give back to your community expect to walk in without a hitch. This people do not know you for crying out loud! You have no rappor with the community. You expect to say you're a doctor and you're here to help and they are meant to pave your way with gold? No! The herbalist thought his livelyhood would be threatened and who wouldn't? These people need re-orientation! God knows that a lot of these so called educated Nigerians in the diaspora needs it too! I mean, how do you explain someone who's read so much still believing that the government(someone who seats atop Aso rock or who is a member of parliament) is to be blamed for all the ills of the soceity? The fact is the government is you and I and we are collectively corrupt! It is this same your or I that will in the future contest for governmental seat. When we get there, do we suddenly become saints? What sort of government do you expect a corrupt soceity to produce? The likes of Abacha, Babangida and the likes didn't attend a special corrupt school, they lived amongst you and I, the corrupt ones and just because you've left Nigeria doesn't avail you of this too.

In a nutshell, your doctor should have tried to integrate into the soceity, know their weaknesses, by so doing he would know that these people need some kind of rehabilitation first, before even embarking on any form of project. Like I said, don't go to Nigeria thinking you're doing it any favours, see it as you doing yourself a favour but the road isn't going to be smooth just like anything that's worth having at all.

Forget patriotism! Patrio-what!? Hahaha, you and I know that there is more to gain from Nigeria than what you can give it. The south Africans will tell you that, I mean look at it, they run the telecommunication industry, the chinese run the manufacturing sector in YOUR own country! They are making MONEY!. It's up to you to take your stake.

I'm not one to rejoice at the demise of others but I bet that Damilola Taylor's parents would have sworn that their lives would be better in the UK but what's happened now? The whole family has almost being wiped out in a country that has things in order the country were crime rate is low. I be the Dosunmu family who's child was shot point blank in bed thought they'd escaped gruesome murders in Nigeria. I bet a lot of Nigerians who have been killed in America thought it was better to be in a country that had steady water supply and regular electricity and good policing. I guess it's better to die in America than in Nigeria afterall, you get buried in a nice cemetry and get people to bring you flowers. Death in America is "chic" as opposed to Nigeria! Hellooooooooooo! Death is death and it can happen anywhere in the world! Only God guarantees safety! Didn't I read somewhere that South Africa is the most dangerous country to live in - in Africa? But guess what, our people go there nontheless because anywhere is better than Nigeria, right?

If America hadn't built it's country, would you be there? There are universities in your country, how come you chose the states? No, don't tell me, it's because the system work isn't it? Unlike your country where things are in shambles, where the government (that powerful man) disallowed you from dreaming big, right? I guess the government held Dangote down, I guess a lot of our mates who are still alive in Nigeria now were just so lucky because the armed robbers didn't have their address.

I am not asking for patriotism, it just kills me that we are allegedly intelligent, yet we get treated like shit by the western world, never minding that we contribute immensely to their economy! It just makes sense to me more that with these education, we can make Nigeria better and alleviate these crimes, these poverty back home. Money is good, sending money home is fine but giving time to impart this knowledge on the "babalawo" for instance would go a long way. Rather than give a man a fish, why not teach him to fish?
A bit late I know, but I just had to quote this post. Spot on and exceptionally brilliant! ;)
 

vince

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Only if the cause is a worthy one and you're sure it's going somewhere.

Besides some of y'all need to quit generalizing.Just cos you don't see it happening or people don't go about broadcasting their good works doesn't mean it's not happening.All these cheap talks.Don't just talk the talk, walk it too.
That applies to us all,and that includes you.But since you don't like to talk the talk that much,how much of the walk are you walking,or have been walking, yourself,madam?
 
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