Nollywood movies are better today than they've ever been

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takestyle

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In the past, I've expressed the unpopular opinion that Nollywood movies in 2009 (well... let's say 2008, as I have watched very few this year) are much, much better than they were 10 or 12 years ago.

I realize that the 1990s are considered something of a "golden age" for Nollywood times... A different time, a more pristine era when beautiful movies were loving crafted by professionals before the game became "an all-comers affair."

Lately, I've been re-watching (or in some cases watching for the first time) a lot of Nollywood movies from the 1990s, and I am sorry... I just do not see it.

For all the talk of how the industry was run by "professionals" back then, the movies were much less professional than they are today. I'm not talking about the fact that the sound was often so bad that you could barely hear half of the dialogue--after all, we all know that they were working with very limited equipment--but I mean even things like the writing, directing, and especially the acting... I'd say that all of these things are MUCH better today.

I suspect that the illusion that those movies were better is a result of the rose-colored nostalgia specs through which many of us view the past. Also, the fact that back then, we had been starved for indigenous movies for so long that we welcomed these movies hungrily, overlooking all their shortcomings, and the memory of how much we enjoyed them back then is magnified in our minds.

Another thing is probably the fact that there were much fewer movies coming out back then, and with the current glut of movie product, the audence has become more sophisticated... but the industry's sophistication has not matured at the same rate as the audience's and we have lost patience with a lot of the shortcomings that we were forgiving of 10 year ago.

All that being said, though... I think that we should give the industry its due: It's come a LONG way and is definitely way better than it used to be.

Things ARE getting better... It's just that (as is often the case with our beloved country) the change is occurring slower than we'd like it to.
 
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In the past, I've expressed the unpopular opinion that Nollywood movies in 2009 (well... let's say 2008, as I have watched very few this year) are much, much better than they were 10 or 12 years ago.

I realize that the 1990s are considered something of a "golden age" for Nollywood times... A different time, a more pristine era when beautiful movies were loving crafted by professionals before the game became "an all-comers affair."

Lately, I've been re-watching (or in some cases watching for the first time) a lot of Nollywood movies from the 1990s, and I am sorry... I just do not see it.

For all the talk of how the industry was run by "professionals" back then, the movies were much less professional than they are today. I'm not talking about the fact that the sound was often so bad that you could barely hear half of the dialogue--after all, we all know that they were working with very limited equipment--but I mean even things like the writing, directing, and especially the acting... I'd say that all of these things are MUCH better today.

I suspect that the illusion that those movies were better is a result of the rose-colored nostalgia specs through which many of us view the past. Also, the fact that back then, we had been starved for indigenous movies for so long that we welcomed these movies hungrily, overlooking all their shortcomings, and the memory of how much we enjoyed them back then is magnified in our minds.

Another thing is probably the fact that there were much fewer movies coming out back then, and with the current glut of movie product, the audence has become more sophisticated... but the industry's sophistication has not matured at the same rate as the audience's and we have lost patience with a lot of the shortcomings that we were forgiving of 10 year ago.

All that being said, though... I think that we should give the industry its due: It's come a LONG way and is definitely way better than it used to be.

Things ARE getting better... It's just that (as is often the case with our beloved country) the change is occurring slower than we'd like it to.
Trying to liven up NR on a slow day are we?music-sm: Okay boo, I'll bite. What did you rewatch (in terms of oldies)? Let us start from there.
 

sidney

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Trying to liven up NR on a slow day are we?music-sm: Okay boo, I'll bite. What did you rewatch (in terms of oldies)? Let us start from there.
Sidney rubs his hands together in anticipation of heavy grammatical posts from my brother, TS and darlin Funmo...

:spiny:
 

takestyle

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Trying to liven up NR on a slow day are we?music-sm: Okay boo, I'll bite. What did you rewatch (in terms of oldies)? Let us start from there.
To answer both you and Pecs... So far, I've watched Forever, Ikuku, Most Wanted, Shattered Home, Out of Bounds, Armed Forces and Holy Prostitute.

(A few of those might be from the early 2000s... But that's still part of the "golden age," right?)

I'm going to be watching a lot more, though... That reminds me: I wanted to appeal to NR members to recommend great movies from the golden era, that I should check out.
 
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To answer both you and Pecs... So far, I've watched Forever, Ikuku, Most Wanted, Shattered Home, Out of Bounds, Armed Forces and Holy Prostitute.

(A few of those might be from the early 2000s... But that's still part of the "golden age," right?)

I'm going to be watching a lot more, though... That reminds me: I wanted to appeal to NR members to recommend great movies from the golden era, that I should check out.
Worraheck is all that? The only one I recognise is out of bounds, which if I recollect correctly is a Bimbo and RMD classic. Everything else is what? Go and see violated and mortal inheritance, then we can talk.

Just wanted to say this though: Nollywood has always had its share of crap - both then and now. Production quality has improved that is true, but I beg to differ that the quality of storytelling has followed suit abeg. What? What Nollywood has done is taken those stories that were original in the nineties and early 2000s and told them so many times that now we are now exhausted. So perhaps part of the "betterness" comes from the fact that the stories were relatively fresh and thus more exciting. Now, its rehashing the same ol' same ol' (na soso love, na soso games, etc, etc).

So it depends on what you mean by better.

LOL

I am curious to know too....perhaps he needs some "to watch" recommendations....:spiny:
My dia, I don begin tell am. U too talk ya own.
 

takestyle

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Just wanted to say this though: Nollywood has always had its share of crap - both then and now. Production quality has improved that is true, but I beg to differ that the quality of storytelling has followed suit abeg. What? What Nollywood has done is taken those stories that were original in the nineties and early 2000s and told them so many times that now we are now exhausted. So perhaps part of the "betterness" comes from the fact that the stories were relatively fresh and thus more exciting. Now, its rehashing the same ol' same ol' (na soso love, na soso games, etc, etc).

So it depends on what you mean by better.
What I mean by "better" is a more professional-looking, more watchable, technically proficient product.

I can feel where you're coming from on the issue of the endlessly rehashed storylines, but if the stories are being told more "professionally," then I think it's all good.

(For example, there are movies that Hollywood made in the 1960s when they didn't have the technology to fully do the stories justice... Then later, when technology improves, they'll tell the same story again to reflect modern sensibilities.

Of course, I know that the paradigm in Nollywood is different, as we're not dealing with any advanced special effects and the like...)

I've not seen Mortal Inheritance but I'll try to check it out... I have Violated in a crate somewhere, I think... I'll try to dig it out.

But just to go back to a previous point, Funmo... So you're saying the "betterness" comes from the fact that the audience was less jaded then, and the stories seemed fresher.

Okay... I can accept that.

But can we agree that it has nothing at all to do with some supposed "professionalism" that the 90s people displayed and that the current players lack?
 

peculiar

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Worraheck is all that? The only one I recognise is out of bounds, which if I recollect correctly is a Bimbo and RMD classic. Everything else is what? Go and see violated and mortal inheritance, then we can talk.

Just wanted to say this though: Nollywood has always had its share of crap - both then and now. Production quality has improved that is true, but I beg to differ that the quality of storytelling has followed suite abeg. What? What Nollywood has done is taken those stories that were original in the nineties and early 2000s and told them so many times that now we are now exhausted. So perhaps part of the "betterness" comes from the fact that the stories were relatively fresh and thus more exciting. Now, its rehashing the same ol' same ol' (na soso love, na soso games, etc, etc).

So it depends on what you mean by better.



My dia, I don begin tell am. U too talk ya own.

Thanks sis!

Those 2 that you've mentioned are always on top of my list too. I don't know about techy techy stuff, but when it comes to good storylines, Nollywood hardly has them these days abeg!

Bros, abeg, have you seen Tade Ogidan's "Diamond Ring" or "Hostages"?? Please see those 2 that my sister already mentioned first, and by the time you're done with those, i'll bring you more. I have also only seen Out of Bounds from your list, the rest I have only heard about.

Straight off the top of my head, the ones I will certainly be referring you to, after VIOLATED and MORTAL INHERITANCE are:

ONOME
RATTLE SNAKE

Kai! I wish you watch YMGs, cos "OWO BLOW" was so so well told! An excellent flick!
BROKEN CHORD
FLESH AND BLOOD
TRUE CONFESSION


quite a few that I could mention..............to be honest.

Let us know if you still feel the same way after Violated, MI and any of the above........perhaps then I would say, certainly, we are looking at things from totally different angles.....:fing33:
 

peculiar

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What I mean by "better" is a more professional-looking, more watchable, technically proficient product.

I can feel where you're coming from on the issue of the endlessly rehashed storylines, but if the stories are being told more "professionally," then I think it's all good.

(For example, there are movies that Hollywood made in the 1960s when they didn't have the technology to fully do the stories justice... Then later, when technology improves, they'll tell the same story again to reflect modern sensibilities.

Of course, I know that the paradigm in Nollywood is different, as we're not dealing with any advanced special effects and the like...)

I've not seen Mortal Inheritance but I'll try to check it out... I have Violated in a crate somewhere, I think... I'll try to dig it out.

But just to go back to a previous point, Funmo... So you're saying the "betterness" comes from the fact that the audience was less jaded then, and the stories seemed fresher.

Okay... I can accept that.

But can we agree that it has nothing at all to do with some supposed "professionalism" that the 90s people displayed and that the current players lack?
Ah! I didnt see this before my last post.

Of course technology has since developed, and so has "professionalism" in whatever context that is used......(or at least, I would imagine so..........)

Is that what you were talking about??

I'd rather an excellent, believable story, told by actors whose performance cannot be faulted, over technologically advanced meaningless stories and plots read line by line by some amateur actors though....if you ask me o...:redface
 
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What I mean by "better" is a more professional-looking, more watchable, technically proficient product.

I can feel where you're coming from on the issue of the endlessly rehashed storylines, but if the stories are being told more "professionally," then I think it's all good.

(For example, there are movies that Hollywood made in the 1960s when they didn't have the technology to fully do the stories justice... Then later, when technology improves, they'll tell the same story again to reflect modern sensibilities.

Of course, I know that the paradigm in Nollywood is different, as we're not dealing with any advanced special effects and the like...)

I've not seen Mortal Inheritance but I'll try to check it out... I have Violated in a crate somewhere, I think... I'll try to dig it out.

But just to go back to a previous point, Funmo... So you're saying the "betterness" comes from the fact that the audience was less jaded then, and the stories seemed fresher.

Okay... I can accept that.

But can we agree that it has nothing at all to do with some supposed "professionalism" that the 90s people displayed and that the current players lack?
I gotta run now, but I will continue this later. But to answer your question, no I don't agree - not entirely anyway. The original pacesetters were creating a new industry - they had to think creatively, work hard to find an audience, while dealing with so many obstacles -social, infrastructural, cost, etc. Its not easy for this present generation, but its EASIER. We should see improvements not just in production quality (which has nothing to do with them by the way - cameras are cheaper), but also in methodology and creativity. With the exception of a few filmmakers (identities of whom we may or may not agree on), I do not see it happening. You are basically patting Nollywood practitioners on the back for using newer cameras!!

Even that one sef, na pink dot kill am!!rolleye:
 

chi

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I suspect that the illusion that those movies were better is a result of the rose-colored nostalgia specs through which many of us view the past. Also, the fact that back then, we had been starved for indigenous movies for so long that we welcomed these movies hungrily, overlooking all their shortcomings, and the memory of how much we enjoyed them back then is magnified in our minds.

Another thing is probably the fact that there were much fewer movies coming out back then, and with the current glut of movie product, the audence has become more sophisticated... but the industry's sophistication has not matured at the same rate as the audience's and we have lost patience with a lot of the shortcomings that we were forgiving of 10 year ago.

All that being said, though... I think that we should give the industry its due: It's come a LONG way and is definitely way better than it used to be.

Things ARE getting better... It's just that (as is often the case with our beloved country) the change is occurring slower than we'd like it to.
I agree, two days ago I was re watching violated to confirm the appearance of some one , and as i did watch the movie, I started pointing out so many fault and to think that there was a time the movie was set as a standard is unbelievable .

Just as you mentioned movies were not coming out in droves and the people were in taste for something indigenous and we overlooked so many things. The movie industry as of now is much better than what we had some years back
 

takestyle

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I gotta run now, but I will continue this later. But to answer your question, no I don't agree - not entirely anyway. The original pacesetters were creating a new industry - they had to think creatively, work hard to find an audience, while dealing with so many obstacles -social, infrastructural, cost, etc. Its not easy for this present generation, but its EASIER. We should see improvements not just in production quality (which has nothing to do with them by the way - cameras are cheaper), but also in methodology and creativity. With the exception of a few filmmakers (identities of whom we may or may not agree on), I do not see it happening. You are basically patting Nollywood practitioners on the back for using newer cameras!!
That seems like an excuse to me... I understand all the obstacles faced by the early Nollywood people, but let's get past all the explanations and ask: Were they more "professional"?

I really don't think so.

It's really unfair for you to say that the improvements in today's movies have nothing to do with the people in the industry because "cameras are cheaper"... Abi these cheap cameras operate themselves?

I don't think it's fair the way modern Nollywood fans seem hellbent on withholding ANY kind of credit from the people working in the industry today.

When it comes to the shortcomings of the past, we have every excuse in the world for them... when it comes to the triumphs of today, the improvement has nothing to do with them.

They can't win!
 

takestyle

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Thanks sis!

Those 2 that you've mentioned are always on top of my list too. I don't know about techy techy stuff, but when it comes to good storylines, Nollywood hardly has them these days abeg!

Bros, abeg, have you seen Tade Ogidan's "Diamond Ring" or "Hostages"?? Please see those 2 that my sister already mentioned first, and by the time you're done with those, i'll bring you more. I have also only seen Out of Bounds from your list, the rest I have only heard about.
I think I saw Diamond Ring and Hostages back in the day, but I need to re-watch them...

peculiar said:
Straight off the top of my head, the ones I will certainly be referring you to, after VIOLATED and MORTAL INHERITANCE are:

ONOME
RATTLE SNAKE

Kai! I wish you watch YMGs, cos "OWO BLOW" was so so well told! An excellent flick!
BROKEN CHORD
FLESH AND BLOOD
TRUE CONFESSION
I'll check them out... and yeah, I'll watch Owo Blow if it's subtitled.

(You seem to have the idea that I have something against YMG... Not sure why, though!)

peculiar said:
I'd rather an excellent, believable story, told by actors whose performance cannot be faulted, over technologically advanced meaningless stories and plots read line by line by some amateur actors though....if you ask me o..
That's what I'm saying, though... The acting back then was not really that great. I think we have better actors now (definitely more attractive ones).
 

peculiar

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I think I saw Diamond Ring and Hostages back in the day, but I need to re-watch them...



I'll check them out... and yeah, I'll watch Owo Blow if it's subtitled.

(You seem to have the idea that I have something against YMG... Not sure why, though!)



That's what I'm saying, though... The acting back then was not really that great. I think we have better actors now (definitely more attractive ones).

I haven't rewatched HOSTAGES since back then but I know it was good.

No, I don't think you have anything against YMG, I just thought you probably don't watch them maybe because you don't understand the language. I re-watched Owo-Blow recently but I honestly cant remember if it was subtitled, maybe because i didn't pay attention to it, anyway.....

Acting then and now? I can't agree that we have better actors now than we did then sha. As we have poor actors and good actors now, so did we, back then too.......unfortunately, most of them(the good ones) are not there anymore......
 

takestyle

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Acting then and now? I can't agree that we have better actors now than we did then sha. As we have poor actors and good actors now, so did we, back then too.......unfortunately, most of them are not there anymore......
Alright... Let's play it this way.

List the best actors from back then and the best of now, and let's see how they measure up against each other.
 

peculiar

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Alright... Let's play it this way.

List the best actors from back then and the best of now, and let's see how they measure up against each other.
Should I tell you why I think this "play" might not work?

My list of the ones that I think were "good" then and now, will be totally totally different from another's (even yours, I'd imagine). So, how then can we measure them against each other?

E.g. also, I can come up with a list of 10 good ones from back then, and Mr Vince or Area fada will list 10 completely different people either because they are from some flicks that I never got to see back then, or I completely overlooked them in those flicks(if i watched them)......
What I am saying is that: I don't think I watched enough oldies, to be able to come up with a comprehensive list of good actors from back in the day......and I might not be able to remember some names too......
 

takestyle

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Should I tell you why I think this "play" might not work?

My list of the ones that I think were "good" then and now, will be totally totally different from another's (even yours, I'd imagine). So, how then can we measure them against each other?

E.g. also, I can come up with a list of 10 good ones from back then, and Mr Vince or Area fada will list 10 completely different people either because they are from some flicks that I never got to see back then, or I completely overlooked them in those flicks(if i watched them)......
What I am saying is that: I don't think I watched enough oldies, to be able to come up with a comprehensive list of good actors from back in the day......and I might not be able to remember some names too......
Well, obviously... But there is such a thing as consensus.
 
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