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Nollywood movies are better today than they've ever been

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peculiar

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#22
Look at Pecs debating back and forth!!! :fing02:

TS, if she says "Bless", it mean say she don tiya.... :excite
sweat: Una no see me so?? Re: the "bless" comment! you are :ban:!!!!

Honestly, I respect you guys that go back and forth on these threads on NR. Me, I no get energy. Na to just talk my own one-liner and comot!

I don't intend to drag this for long either...I just think we have two interesting almost opposing POVs and generally, I like to learn and see things not just through my eyes but through the eyes of others, hence why I dabbled into this in the first place. Both online and offline, I tend to listen more than I talk...........works for me!grinning:
 

peculiar

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#23
Well, obviously... But there is such a thing as consensus.
Ehen! Mr T, as we were saying......from the list of your oldies in your earlier post, I have only seen OOB. The rest, I haven't seen, so I don't know who acted in them or who was "good" in them.

Most of the people I would list are probably from movies you haven't seen either.

Ok, if I say:

Uche Obi Osotule, do you know who that is?

Let's start from there!.........
 

takestyle

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#26
Right!

Have you seen her in any flick before??

Onome?
Broken Chord?
Flesh and Blood?
Playing Games?
Saving Alero?
Magun?
Missing in America? (Area fada's flick)


Do you think she's a good actress or not?
I know I've seen Magun... I *think* I might have seen Onome, Broken Chord and Playing Games.

I really can't issue any judgment on her acting right now, as I saw all these a long time ago... And honestly, back then I thought most Nollywood movies were terribly unwatchable, so I can't say much of an impression registered with me.

It wasn't until around 2003 or so that I felt the quality of the movies had risen to the point that I could really pay serious attention to them... Which is why I'm now trying to go back and watch older ones with the new appreciation I've gained.

I'll seek out the ones you listed and let you know what I think.
 
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noone

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Right!

Have you seen her in any flick before??

Onome?
Broken Chord?
Flesh and Blood?
Playing Games?
Saving Alero?
Magun?
Missing in America? (Area fada's flick)


Do you think she's a good actress or not?
I think she's good but I find that she can be a bit repetitive and by that I mean...she's almost always the same in most films. I think the only time I saw her in a different light was in London Boy and that film she acted in Ghana with Genevieve and Charles Okafor...can't remember the name right now.
She's almost always a good person who suffers great misfortune or something like that...it can get rather tiring. That's not to say it's unique to her...I mean that seems to be the story of most Nolly actors though - good or bad...but that's my own opinion sha.

I mean look at Liz Benson [who is also one of the 'oldies], she always appeared different in most of her movies...same goes for Ngozi Ezeonu and a few others...but like you said earlier, we all have different ideas of who we consider good...
 

dammy

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#28
Alright... Let's play it this way.

List the best actors from back then and the best of now, and let's see how they measure up against each other.
The first name that comes to mind of best older actors from back is Liz Benson, that lady is simply a superstar and i dont know why i find it extremely difficult to compare her to any of the best now

Joke silver (she is a class act anyday but i still prefer liz)
Patience Ozokwor



P.s this is my own opinion and it might defer from others
 

peculiar

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#29
I think she's good but I find that she can be a bit repetitive and by that I mean...she's almost always the same in most films. I think the only time I saw her in a different light was in London Boy and that film she acted in Ghana with Genevieve and Charles Okafor...can't remember the name right now.
She's almost always a good person who suffers great misfortune or something like that...it can get rather tiring. That's not to say it's unique to her...I mean that seems to be the story of most Nolly actors though - good or bad...but that's my own opinion sha.

I mean look at Liz Benson [who is also one of the 'oldies], she always appeared different in most of her movies...same goes for Ngozi Ezeonu and a few others...but like you said earlier, we all have different ideas of who we consider good...
Thanks sis.

I am trying to come up with a list of actors from back in the day that were good. Liz Benson is one of the obviously good ones, thats why I didn't mention her first.

Uche in my opinion is a very good actress, and she has depth. Unfortunately, like the lot of most Nollywoodians, she got stereotyped quite early, and perhaps she reached a peak in the type of roles they always cast her in.......
Anyday, anytime sha, she dey my list.......
 

peculiar

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I know I've seen Magun... I *think* I might have seen Onome, Broken Chord and Playing Games.

I really can't issue any judgment on her acting right now, as I saw all these a long time ago... And honestly, back then I thought most Nollywood movies were terribly unwatchable, so I can't say much of an impression registered with me.

It wasn't until around 2003 or so that I felt the quality of the movies had risen to the point that I could really pay serious attention to them... Which is why I'm now trying to go back and watch older ones with the new appreciation I've gained.

I'll seek out the ones you listed and let you know what I think.
Great. Let's leave Uche out now. When I knew Nollywood and started watching the flicks-i.e., the time you refer to as the early 90s, these are some of the ones I remember as being good actresses that are no longer on the scene right now. Please find me their matches in Nollywood now:


Jennifer Okere(Ossai)
Liz Benson
Ameze Imarhiagbe
Mildred Okopie
Ann Njemanze
Sandra Achums
Dolly Unachukwu
Gloria Anozie
Barbara Soky
Edith Jayne Azu
Obot Etuk


Also, at that same time, the early 90s, some of the flicks I watched had these below in them. Fortunately, most of them have remained consistent and are still very much relevant in the industry today. Yes, we have these ones around now, but in the days when you claim that we didnt have good actors (as we do now), they were very much around, and for that time, they were as good as they still are now. Take these lot below out of the bunch we have today, and please tell me the good ones that we have in Nollywood now.


Kate Henshaw
Ngozi Nwosu
Funlola Aofiyebi
Bimbo Akintola
Hilda Dokubo
Joke Silva
Clarion Chukwura
Ayo Mogaji
Rachel Oniga
Bukky Ajayi
Omotola Jalade


In my opinion, most of the ones whose fame we shout now have nothing on the above, but then again, that's just my own opinion. I normally don't do these debates. So I don try. And I think i'm done too. As long as we are different individuals, our opinions will always vary......so sometimes, there's just no point going on and on................I enjoyed reminiscing about these lovely actors as I was listing them sha.........I wish we had them back. Especially those on the top list! :redface

Oh well......I am out! :fing33:

PS-I decided to list the females because they are the ones whose names readily come to mind.
 

peculiar

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Oooppsss.....I am back....just went to re-read some of the previous posts and I couldn't resist. Hopefully after this, i'm out! :o

To answer both you and Pecs... So far, I've watched Forever, Ikuku, Most Wanted, Shattered Home, Out of Bounds, Armed Forces and Holy Prostitute.
Worraheck is all that?
:lol Sorry I just noticed that and I had to bgrin:



What I mean by "better" is a more professional-looking, more watchable, technically proficient product.

I can feel where you're coming from on the issue of the endlessly rehashed storylines, but if the stories are being told more "professionally," then I think it's all good.
See this is what I mean.......we are different, so we want different things from Nolly flicks. Yes, a fancy, technologically proficient flick with techy output and lovely interiors, no pink dot, sharp cinematography, correct editing etc would be a lovely eye candy for any movie watcher... Who doesn't like to see good quality things? But for me, this doesn't equal "better". IRAPADA had all these, I mean, the quality of the production of that flick is almost matchless, but till today, I haven't been able to summon courage to even attempt to review it on NR. I ordered it and took it home as a special christmas bonanza for the family to watch over christmas lunch. I'd made so much noise about it. Guess what? I regretted it! The torture?!! The abuse i got after it! The embarrassment! To be honest, that story get K-leg I no go lie..... some of the people on the cast were just blah! For me, that movie has nothing on OOB or Violated, and I don't care how razz the quality of their production was "in the 90s". The cast in any of my favourite oldies would give the cast in IRAPADA a run for their money, big big time. That is the lot of most Nolly flicks today. But then again, this is just Pecs' opinion!

@ second highlighted, how so? I can count how many Nolly flick stories that have been told "professionally" these days......only few my brother, very few. Perhaps you could tell me some that you know-I may not have watched them.

Off the top of my head, I think of:

Amazing grace
Dangerous Twins
Modupe Temi

and only few others(mainly the most recent ones)


Oh well......what do I know sef?.......I am not a movie-maker, neither am I in any way "artistic"..... and in this particular field, I don't know my leaves, abi na onions dem dey call am......so make I leave the debate jo........my cells in the laboratory calleth moi!:D


God bless!..... :fing33:
 

Angela81

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#32
busy week but I will step into this foray once only.

TS, movies back then are much better than now because a narrative structure was adhered to.

I understand where you are coming from, I saw narrow escape and yes, a lot of things were amiss technically and acting was rather slow. Frankly it looked funny because we see the people now and they look different. But then, payback and apart from the bad sound, it was great.

this is the problem from what I think; the inherent problem of nollywood is following trends. They are not original and there is no structure they follow. 10 years from today, these movies of today will also look funny. why? the production design, the cars, the costume, the post production et al. take a move of hollywood shot 10 years back. the suit worn by a woman can be worn again in present day. why? they know that movies last long and when people come back to it, it must not feel like a period piece.

now, take a movie like payback, and use good sound, good camera and maintain the actors and you have a bomb! nothing comparable to what we have now.
Don't forget that, the global village we have now was non existent then, so access to technology now is much better than then. The market has grown, the world has become smaller and internet has given them the chance to look at other works and be abreast. Africa as a whole has undergone a change within the past 10 years.

I will never discuss nollywood in terms of quality because that is a problem only God can solve:)

I discuss nollywood in terms of storytelling and story structure only. I do maintain, that movies of 10 years back are much better than the recycled crap of today. with actors following fashion, cars, accents, trying to imitate black hollywood actors and all.
watch movies like last party, death warrant, the wind, died wretched, terrible sin, full moon, mysterious, midnight scream, day break, Agbako, Izaga, suicide mission, suicide... I'll come back later with more.
 

peculiar

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#33
busy week but i will step into this foray once only.

Ts, movies back then are much better than now because a narrative structure was adhered to.

i discuss nollywood in terms of storytelling and story structure only. I do maintain, that movies of 10 years back are much better than the recycled crap of today. With actors following fashion, cars, accents, trying to imitate black hollywood actors and all.
watch movies like last party, death warrant, the wind, died wretched, terrible sin, full moon, mysterious, midnight scream, day break, agbako, izaga, suicide mission, suicide... I'll come back later with more.


Thank you!
 

takestyle

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#34
TS, movies back then are much better than now because a narrative structure was adhered to.
This is something I wanted to mention in my original post.

I previously used to think this... That at least back in the day, because there were so few releases and the market was so small and young, at least filmmakers attempted to make a COMPLETE movie... because they weren't sure they were going to make another one.

That is, as opposed to now where you have part 1, 2, 3, 4 and the story still hasn't ended and you're waiting 2 years for part 5. Basically, it's television series on disc, and I can understand how this is less satisfying for viewers.

But upon review, I don't know if this theory holds... A lot of stories back then were just as sloppy and "unfinished" even though they didn't go into part 2; they still had rushed or inconclusive endings. The plots were still fractured and full of massive leaps of logic.

So-oooo... I don't know.

Angela81 said:
I understand where you are coming from, I saw narrow escape and yes, a lot of things were amiss technically and acting was rather slow. Frankly it looked funny because we see the people now and they look different. But then, payback and apart from the bad sound, it was great.
Trying to remember Payback... I think I've seen it.

Angela81 said:
this is the problem from what I think; the inherent problem of nollywood is following trends. They are not original and there is no structure they follow. 10 years from today, these movies of today will also look funny. why? the production design, the cars, the costume, the post production et al. take a move of hollywood shot 10 years back. the suit worn by a woman can be worn again in present day. why? they know that movies last long and when people come back to it, it must not feel like a period piece.
This makes no sense to me at all.

When you watch a Hollywood movie from the 1990s, the 80s, the 60s or 50s, you can very easily know the period in which it was produced from the clothes, the hair, the makeup and the cars.

I don't see what production design has to do with anything here.

Angela81 said:
I will never discuss nollywood in terms of quality because that is a problem only God can solve:)
That's a copout... Why shouldn't we evaluate the technical quality when that is in fact a key part of the process and actually facilitates the storytelling, which you claim is your main concern?

If all you care about is "story," then why bother watching a movie at all? Why don't they just publish the script as a booklet so that we can read it?

Besides, I focused this specifically on the oft-repeated claim that back in the days, the industry was full of "professionals," unlike today.

So... If the technical quality back then was poorer than it is now, and you've even admitted that some of the acting was dodgy... Then what exactly was so great about the so-called "professionals"? What did they bring to the table that was so singular?

I think all this talk about "professionals" is a manifestation of the insecurity of people who are scared of competition... Who cares if you are a "professional"? Movie-making isn't exactly brain-surgery... It's pretty easy to learn the craft!

Angela81 said:
watch movies like last party, death warrant, the wind, died wretched, terrible sin, full moon, mysterious, midnight scream, day break, Agbako, Izaga, suicide mission, suicide... I'll come back later with more.
I'll check those out.

(I think I've got Izaga somewhere...)
 

Angela81

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honeslty, I do not want to go too far into this. rather usual but I have a really bad headache.

1. yes you can identify what period from hollywood movies but not drastically. But nollywood is worse. I am willing to scratch that argument though.

2. I see nollywood movies as plays. not movies. that is why do not watch them for any technical orgasms.

but back in the day, I see smooth and reasonable edits, no line crossings, no crotch shots, no zoom outs from a zoom in. no repeated 1 aerial shot on Victoria island, not the same effect music in on EVERY MOVIE.

The Teco bensons of yesterday were adventurous filmmakers.

and also, FYI, I base my argument 70% on the Ghana film industry trend.

I need a bed now.
 

sky_flies

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I totally agree with TS and have never beleived for a minute: old movies are better than the previous, neither are the actors.

Old movies had fresh untapped real stories which would definitely interest even an uncommitted viewer. Them, we had stories relating and reflecting on us; conflicting ancestral stories, stories about the Abiku thingy, the inter-tribe marriage palava..... and many more which were successful made as film. At the success of such movies (and stories), some producers became the story writers themselves, and made similiar jobs as the profitable. Story tellers ran out of idea and ran into love. The culture of telling good stories have faded but quality has improved. Saying Nollywood old movies are better than new movies is just like saying Bollywood old movies like The Promise, Kudirat, Mad.... are better than Hum tum, Asoke, Kabi kuchi kabi ghan.... Not true! though the stories are still recycled.

Matters like this arise because Nollywood seem to be crawling, but I beleive if exactly old era movies turn to be what we have churning out presently, Nollywood would idisintegrate..... because a movie is the picture than the story.

though, would be glad when Nollywood begins to concentrate more on the stories than the 'yielding' pair of casts.
 
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The problem here, in my humble opinioncorkysm60:, is that we are talking apples and oranges. When those of us in the "back in the day" column talk about betterness, we are primarily talking 2 things - acting and storyline. We all agree that production quality has improved tremendously. You guys are ignoring Pecu's post above where she talked about the very applauded Irapada (Pecu, if I had bought that movie after you had watched it and refused to review it, I for :knuck ya head:210:), where production quality was fantastic but the story totally, completely sucked. There are exceptions, but that is in general, the story of Nollywood today. It takes both presentation and content to make a movie. If I can hear and see your movie clearly, but all I hear and see is rubbish, no be wahala be dat?

So, you guys can define a movie by presentation all you want, but I choose to define it by content. Obviously, you should have both for an industry to move forward. We all find it really sad that Nollywood has sacrificed content for presentation - that is the real complaint that we have today. And sometimes sef, even the presentation get as e be. Despite clear picture and sound, how many hospital scenes do you see in recent "movies" that compare to the one in mortal inheritance? It was not perfect, but it was reasonable!!

To be clear once more, there were bad movies in both eras. And there have been very good movies in both eras. But if you picked a movie at random from then and now, and looked at the story - THE STORY!!, then I say they win (meaning ghosts of the past). Why should creativity fly out of the window in the name of progress? That makes no sense to me. With the improved technology and opportunity, you would expect people to become more creative, not less. :(
 

peculiar

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The problem here, in my humble opinion, is that we are talking apples and oranges. When those of us in the "back in the day" column talk about betterness, we are primarily talking 2 things - acting and storyline. We all agree that production quality has improved tremendously. You guys are ignoring Pecu's post above where she talked about the very applauded Irapada (Pecu, if I had bought that movie after you had watched it and refused to review it, I for ya), where production quality was fantastic but the story totally, completely sucked. There are exceptions, but that is in general, the story of Nollywood today. It takes both presentation and content to make a movie. If I can hear and see your movie clearly, but all I hear and see is rubbish, no be wahala be dat?
So, you guys can define a movie by presentation all you want, but I choose to define it by content. Obviously, you should have both for an industry to move forward. We all find it really sad that Nollywood has sacrificed content for presentation - that is the real complaint that we have today. And sometimes sef, even the presentation get as e be. Despite clear picture and sound, how many hospital scenes do you see in recent "movies" that compare to the one in mortal inheritance? It was not perfect, but it was reasonable!!

To be clear once more, there were bad movies in both eras. And there have been very good movies in both eras. But if you picked a movie at random from then and now, and looked at the story - THE STORY!!, then I say they win (meaning ghosts of the past). Why should creativity fly out of the window in the name of progress? That makes no sense to me. With the improved technology and opportunity, you would expect people to become more creative, not less.

:laugh: Sis have you seen Irapada?? If you have, then I know you feel me. If you haven't, for the sake of my sanity, please, I would send you my copies and even pay you to watch it gan sef! :o I wanted someone to share my pain, so I took them to Naija in January so that Abike would share in my hurts, but I doubt the babe watched past the first 15 minutes of part one. I begged tire.....she no gree finish am! :(

Production Quality on all angles-cinematography, editing, bla bla bla= 10/10
Story, plot, acting= No commens!


What then are we talking about??


@ the highlighted.....Ditto raised to power 10. I just really :mrstraetz!!!!!!!!

Mr TS wanted a concensus....I spent time run mouth finish, I didn't even realise he'd been back on the thread after Angie's posts to comment, he just left me hanging in my lone-debating zone! haba! Thank God i'm done! You can now take over sis. It is well! :fing33:
 
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Sis have you seen Irapada?? If you have, then I know you feel me. If you haven't, for the sake of my sanity, please, I would send you my copies and even pay you to watch it gan sef! I wanted someone to share my pain, so I took them to Naija in January so that Abike would share in my hurts, but I doubt the babe watched past the first 15 minutes of part one. I begged tire.....she no gree finish am!

Production Quality on all angles-cinematography, editing, bla bla bla= 10/10
Story, plot, acting= No commens!


What then are we talking about??


@ the highlighted.....Ditto raised to power 10. I just really :mrstraetz!!!!!!!!

Mr TS wanted a concensus....I spent time run mouth finish, I didn't even realise he'd been back on the thread after Angie's posts to comment, he just left me hanging in my lone-debating zone! haba! Thank God i'm done! You can now take over sis. It is well! :fing33:

:knuck dat ya head again. Why una no review am now? Ehn? What if I had bought it? In fact, you are ordered to go review it now!! How will the guy know that his movie no good if we don't tell him ehn? The thing has been winning awards here and there, so he must think its fantastic. Better go and do your community service and tell the truth o. Stop saying no comment, and go and comment!!:box
 
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