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Nollywood movies are better today than they've ever been

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kolinzo

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Actually, the highlighted IS present.

And yes, no matter how you slice it, Glamour Girls IS one of the earliest movies of the Nollywood cycle, even if you choose to count Yoruba video plays as part of Nollywood (which I do not, by the way).

I'm getting tired of your unsubstantial replies, Kolinzo... All you do is try to tell me that I am wrong, yet you never offer a shred of evidence to rebuff me or to support your own views (which are ambiguous at best).

You waste my time and your own.
See me see trouble. You presented a clip to prove your point and countered your point by telling you it was a fallacy. I have watched glamour girls like gazillion times, and I still don't see the fake americana and the stretching of scenes that you're talking about -especially in the clip you provided. In fact the clip you presented further proves the professionalism of the past (look at lighting, check out the sound, check out the charisma of the actors).

FYI Nollywood started years after Glamour Girls. See you...jumping the guns. You thought I was going to say Yoruba movies belong to Nollywood? How funny! Naah...Yoruba movies belong to Nigeria Movie Industry, not Nollywood. What is unsubstantial is your arguement. You are the one who started the thread saying the new era of Nollywood is better than the golden era. If you want to compare 2009 to the past why don't you show us evidences from both era to prove your point. Maybe we can take it from there.
 

takestyle

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FYI Nollywood started years after Glamour Girls. See you...jumping the guns. You thought I was going to say Yoruba movies belong to Nollywood? How funny! Naah...Yoruba movies belong to Nigeria Movie Industry, not Nollywood. What is unsubstantial is your arguement. You are the one who started the thread saying the new era of Nollywood is better than the golden era. If you want to compare 2009 to the past why don't you show us evidences from both era to prove your point. Maybe we can take it from there.
Okay, then... Please educate me.

Nollywood started years after Glamour Girls. Please tell me when exactly Nollywood started.

(I won't even dignify your comments about lighting and sound)
 

kolinzo

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Okay, then... Please educate me.

Nollywood started years after Glamour Girls. Please tell me when exactly Nollywood started.

(I won't even dignify your comments about lighting and sound)

That's a different topic. But the industry wasn't called Nollywood when Glamours Girls was released. Nollywood doesn't have an "exact" date when it started. It was simply called English Nigerian movie Industry, and some called it Igbo movies (lol). It became Nollywood because of its success which later unfortunately turned the industry into kpakpakpa business.

As for your other comment about my comment on lighting and sound, your dignity is not needed. At the end of the day, all our comments remain what they are...opinions. Unfortunately for you, you are in the minority on this issue.
 

Thickmadam

OHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHH!!
Okay, then... Please educate me.

Nollywood started years after Glamour Girls. Please tell me when exactly Nollywood started.

(I won't even dignify your comments about lighting and sound)
That's a different topic. But the industry wasn't called Nollywood when Glamours Girls was released. Nollywood doesn't have an "exact" date when it started. It was simply called English Nigerian movie Industry, and some called it Igbo movies (lol). It became Nollywood because of its success which later unfortunately turned the industry into kpakpakpa business.

As for your other comment about my comment on lighting and sound, your dignity is not needed. At the end of the day, all our comments remain what they are...opinions. Unfortunately for you, you are in the minority on this issue.
i think ts meant the nigerian movie industry, when did it start, abi?
not nollywood per se.

just the whole phenomena of movies being made in nigeria with nigerian actors.

make una carry go.
 

kolinzo

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i think ts meant the nigerian movie industry, when did it start, abi?
not nollywood per se.

just the whole phenomena of movies being made in nigeria with nigerian actors.

make una carry go.
Thickmadam, I can't read between the lines,lol. Nollywood is different from Naija movie industry, although one gave birth to the other.
 

Thickmadam

OHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHH!!
Thickmadam, I can't read between the lines,lol. Nollywood is different from Naija movie industry, although one gave birth to the other.
now I'M confused!
nollywood is different from naija movie industry?
i haven't used the term nollywood in more than six months when refering to the nigerian movies and actors, i thought it was one and the same thing? :confused:

you people are confusing me too much in this thread. :mad:
 

kolinzo

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now I'M confused!
nollywood is different from naija movie industry?
i haven't used the term nollywood in more than six months when refering to the nigerian movies and actors, i thought it was one and the same thing? :confused:

you people are confusing me too much in this thread. :mad:
Nollywood belong to Naija movie industry. Naija movie industry is like the umbrella shielding Nollywood, Yoruba movie industry, Benin movie industry, Hausa movie industry. Nollywood is the English Nigeria movie industy. Each of the genres has its guild.
 

Thickmadam

OHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHH!!
Nollywood belong to Naija movie industry. Naija movie industry is like the umbrella shielding Nollywood, Yoruba movie industry, Benin movie industry, Hausa movie industry. Nollywood is the English Nigeria movie industy. Each of the genres has its guild.
na wah o.
thank you.
 

takestyle

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That's a different topic. But the industry wasn't called Nollywood when Glamours Girls was released. Nollywood doesn't have an "exact" date when it started. It was simply called English Nigerian movie Industry, and some called it Igbo movies (lol). It became Nollywood because of its success which later unfortunately turned the industry into kpakpakpa business.
Oh Jesus... Are you really serious here? This is just ridiculous.

Does it matter whether or not it was actually CALLED "Nollywood" at the time? The point is that it was the beginning of the development of the format that we NOW know as "Nollywood."

Notice, by the way, that rather than saying "it was one of the first Nollywood movies," I very deliberately referred to it as "one of the earliest movies in the Nollywood cycle" to indicate that regardless of what it was called at the time, it was the beginning of the continuum for the phenomenon that was eventually dubbed "Nollywood."

kolinzo said:
As for your other comment about my comment on lighting and sound, your dignity is not needed. At the end of the day, all our comments remain what they are...opinions. Unfortunately for you, you are in the minority on this issue.
The difference is that some of us can back up our opinions with objective, empirical facts, though.

And I don't count myself "unfortunate" to be in the minority on ANY issue, actually. As Frederick Douglass said, "Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitude."
 

Thickmadam

OHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHH!!
OK.
Fair's fair.

I think, in my own humble personal opinion, that TS has a point.
I've tried watching some of the older movies, and quite a few of them have been tough to sit through.

I think, for me, I think I have been remembering these movies fondly and sentimentally.
i think that, back then, the stories were very new and hadn't been done so everything was fresh. they were original.

"modern age" movies are repeating story lines, or stealing movies from other "woods" and remaking them which is highly unoriginal.

the movies were new so we were willing to overlook them.

anyway, make una carry go.
this is just my opinion.
if una wan fight over am, be my guest, but i will not enage any body in any discourse that will go nowhere or will engage anybody in a fight.
 

takestyle

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OK.
Fair's fair.

I think, in my own humble personal opinion, that TS has a point.
I've tried watching some of the older movies, and quite a few of them have been tough to sit through.

I think, for me, I think I have been remembering these movies fondly and sentimentally.
i think that, back then, the stories were very new and hadn't been done so everything was fresh. they were original.

"modern age" movies are repeating story lines, or stealing movies from other "woods" and remaking them which is highly unoriginal.

the movies were new so we were willing to overlook them.

anyway, make una carry go.
this is just my opinion.
if una wan fight over am, be my guest, but i will not enage any body in any discourse that will go nowhere or will engage anybody in a fight.
And support for the movement grows...

Those with eyes, let them see.
 

vince

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Don't jump for joy yet.TM said "quite a FEW".Questions are;
-How many older flicks has she seen?
-How many good ones has she seen?
She did not furnish any the informations to this effect.And considering how dificult it is to get to see old classics,i bet she did not see too many of the better ones.Nobody ever said that ALL the older movies were good to watch.But overall,they were far better than what are being dished out these days,and the same goes for YMG flicks.Sorry that i have to dampen your orgasm.grinning:
And support for the movement grows...

Those with eyes, let them see.
 

takestyle

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Don't jump for joy yet.TM said "quite a FEW".Questions are;
-How many older flicks has she seen?
-How many good ones has she seen?
She did not furnish any the informations to this effect.And considering how dificult it is to get to see old classics,i bet she did not see too many of the better ones.Nobody ever said that ALL the older movies were good to watch.But overall,they were far better than what are being dished out these days,and the same goes for YMG flicks.Sorry that i have to dampen your orgasm.grinning:
Nice try, but no cigar with the "dampening."

The whole position of "you didn't see the better old classics" is one that Funmo already tried with me, and it holds no water... If you are going to make the comparison, it makes sense to do it randomly, rather than selecting the cream of the crop of the old movies and then comparing it to the average movie of today.

What is most important to me is that she has grasped the ideology behind my position: The idea that old movies were so much better is one that is driven by emotion, sentimentality.

I never said myself that there were NO good movies back then either... But in general, the level of craftsmanship back then was pretty poor compared with today.
 

vince

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Even Segun Arinze confirmed this fact in his lates interview.If Segun can be of the opinion that old classic nolly movies are better than the ones produced today,that is good enough for me ans do many others.You want a link,takestyle?You are on your own on this one.
 

takestyle

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Even Segun Arinze confirmed this fact in his lates interview.If Segun can be of the opinion that old classic nolly movies are better than the ones produced today,that is good enough for me ans do many others.You want a link,takestyle?You are on your own on this one.
Mr. Arinze expressed his opinion, which he is most welcome to. I have my own opinion, which I am also very secure in.

I've already explained the psychology behind why some of the old "professionals" fetishize the old days... Not because the product actually was better. What they miss is the sense of camaraderie of the days when there were relatively few people in the industry and there wasn't much money to be made, so you kinda knew that anybody who was doing it was doing it for the love.

Nowadays that movies are big business, everybody's into it and these old professionals are feeling like "Ohhh... So NOW una wan come enter movie industry when una bin dey yab us before!"

THAT is what they are actually complaining about... The fact that people in the industry today have not paid their dues.

That's why people like Segun Arinze like to stress the fact that they studied it in school... Hence they are the "real" professionals.

And while I most certainly DO respect the fact that people like Mr. Arinze studied, realistically, it doesn't matter. Because they studied theater... and the craft of acting in movies is different from acting on stage.

(That's one of the things that is inferior about the old movies, by the way... The acting tended to be very "stagey"... Today's stars really are better movie actors.)

I think if Mr. Arinze and others looked at old movies with an honest eye, they'd admit that most of them really were not that good at all.
 

Thickmadam

OHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHH!!
Don't jump for joy yet.TM said "quite a FEW".Questions are;
-How many older flicks has she seen?
-How many good ones has she seen?
She did not furnish any the informations to this effect.And considering how dificult it is to get to see old classics,i bet she did not see too many of the better ones.Nobody ever said that ALL the older movies were good to watch.But overall,they were far better than what are being dished out these days,and the same goes for YMG flicks.Sorry that i have to dampen your orgasm.grinning:
please recommend a few.
my aunt dug out a box of old old movies and i would like to see if she has the recommended ones in it.
unfortunately i watched glamour girls on youtube
 

takestyle

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please recommend a few.
my aunt dug out a box of old old movies and i would like to see if she has the recommended ones in it.
unfortunately i watched glamour girls on youtube
As I said before, I recently rewatched Glamour Girls myself... The movie is damn near incomprehensible. There's no real plot... There is some kind of story, yes... But the events in the story are not arranged in any particular logical narrative sequence. It's just scene after scene thrown together randomly until they decide its time to end the movie, then it's the end.

It has no real characters, either... None of the characters have personalities. And people are going to argue that it's better-written than you have today?
 

NTB

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Kolinzo, the Nigeria Movie Industry is called Nollywood just as the American Movie Industry is called Hollywood and so and so forth. We have different genres that make up our Industry.
 
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