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Ojukwu is doing well in London – Obi

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Field Marshal

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.......so, how about the role of the Russians? I heard they were supplying arms to Ojukwu while the British were arming Nigeria,...and we, like a bunch of mumus, used the weapons to continue to kill ourselves. What a shame! How true is this?
No, the Russians (Soviet Union) supplied the Federal troops (Nigeria) MiG 17s, that were piloted by the Egyptians and they bombed Biafra indiscriminately.
 

Brooms

A Pimp Called Slickback
I guess the point is that there is tons of information out there about the war. Especially with the amount of information available to you on the internet, from books you can buy on Amazon to Time Magazine archives online to youtube. If you really want to study the war, you can.

We know about the American revolution, Civil war, WW1 and WW2 and none of us were born during that time. Your generation should never hinder you from learning about the past....
You are still not getting me....I understand your point about self directed learning. In the past, very little was said about the war to spark one's interest in its history in the first place. I have read several articles on Biafra in the last 5 or so years, after Adichie's book came out. Prior to then, you would be hard pressed to hear people of our age congregating and talking about it. And lets be real, historical materials are easier to come by in the West than back home. The internet alone is a great resource. How many people have that back home? Yeah you can teach yourself, but something has to spark your interest. Especially if you've never lived in Nigeria.
 

sidney

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why do you find it so interesting?
The US is Israels biggest ally. With exception to current dispute over Gaza strip settlements, the US and Israel usually align one the same side. But this was not the case here. Israel actually align on the same side with Russia, right in the middle of the cold war...
 

sidney

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You are still not getting me....I understand your point about self directed learning. In the past, very little was said about the war to spark one's interest in its history in the first place. I have read several articles on Biafra in the last 5 or so years, after Adichie's book came out. Prior to then, you would be hard pressed to hear people of our age congregating and talking about it. And lets be real, historical materials are easier to come by in the West than back home. The internet alone is a great resource. How many people have that back home? Yeah you can teach yourself, but something has to spark your interest. Especially if you've never lived in Nigeria.
I see what you are saying...
 

Dsampler

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So, what was the role of The Owelle of Onitsha (Azikiwe) in all of this? Afterall, he was supposed to be our George Washington (The Father of the nation) and our first President. He just stood by & watched?
 

takestyle

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I've spent the past week doing some serious research, and the conclusion I've come to is...

Fuck Ojukwu. And fuck any Igbo people who view him as a hero or a savior. You guys are either insane or ignorant if you don't see him for the monster and the traitor he is.

Also, after researching some of the treatment given to non-Igbo minorities in Biafra by Ojukwu's soldiers, I can understand why the Ibibios, Efiks, and Rivers tribes hate the Igbos so much.

It's a hot mess.
 

ssergit

..still The Drama Queen!
I've spent the past week doing some serious research, and the conclusion I've come to is...

Fuck Ojukwu. And fuck any Igbo people who view him as a hero or a savior. You guys are either insane or ignorant if you don't see him for the monster and the traitor he is.

Also, after researching some of the treatment given to non-Igbo minorities in Biafra by Ojukwu's soldiers, I can understand why the Ibibios, Efiks, and Rivers tribes hate the Igbos so much.

It's a hot mess.
I have heard such comments from some relatives regarding Ojukwu and the war...I thought they were just sour losers....I am talking about Uncles that were very bitter and curses Ojukwu out! And that is why I still believe there is more to this whole Biafra thing, now you see why I asked from the early part of this thread that not everything has been said about Biafra, the different sides of the stories, and why Ojukwu should not die yet till he really tells all that went down, but you shouted me down, without trying to see the point I was coming from, you and others referred me to the same ol' same ol' books and documentaries, written by same ol same ol arse lickers. Mostly foreigners, meanwhile, the real gist is within our own borders, hidden in the silence of wounded hearts and souls!

Without insulting the Hero of the Igbos, I know, I feel and I still stand by the fact that there is a part of this Biafran war that should NOT go to the graves with people! Both fighters, defenders, leaders, victims and survivors.


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Sounds somehow abi? It is one of the reasons he should not delete yet abeg. We NEED autobiography from him. Seriously. Stories I've read and heard so far is people's accounts and events, I would love Ikemba to write from his heart.

But...he is a legend with lots of history that need to be told....
You know, my grandmum was one of the leading women who marched in the Aba Women's Riot, she was a business woman, and I planned to go home and get her story, in relation to women activism in the 20's! But, alas, she died before I got to do that....and I still weep at the history that died with her. That is why I so want people to get stories from our old folks before they delete abeg!

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Million dollar question.

Main reason I want Ojukwu to stay alive is for him to please tell us WHY and HOW the biafran war happened! Because I know I lost family members in it. Uncles I was told died or were never found. And why is everyone being so silent about this horrible war that was like the First genocide in Africa post-colonialism?

We have tons of books on the World Wars, even Rwandan war got a place in Hollywood movie world! Why not Biafran war?
Would delving into the history of that war cause a new war? (seeing that the hausas and igbos are still at loggerheads!?)

Honestly, this total silence on Biafra is very annoying to me! And I firmly believe that dissecting that war from the military point of view would perhaps teach our generation a lesson or two, or maybe not! Arrgh
 

sidney

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I have heard such comments from some relatives regarding Ojukwu and the war...I thought they were just sour losers....I am talking about Uncles that were very bitter and curses Ojukwu out! And that is why I still believe there is more to this whole Biafra thing, now you see why I asked from the early part of this thread that not everything has been said about Biafra, the different sides of the stories, and why Ojukwu should not die yet till he really tells all that went down, but you shouted me down, without trying to see the point I was coming from, you and others referred me to the same ol' same ol' books and documentaries, written by same ol same ol arse lickers. Mostly foreigners, meanwhile, the real gist is within our own borders, hidden in the silence of wounded hearts and souls!

Without insulting the Hero of the Igbos, I know, I feel and I still stand by the fact that there is a part of this Biafran war that should NOT go to the graves with people! Both fighters, defenders, leaders, victims and survivors.


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You just can't leave well enough alone abi?

ok.....
 

ssergit

..still The Drama Queen!
You just can't leave well enough alone abi?

ok.....

errrrm....NO! You and I agreed to disagree Sidney on the Biafran thing, doesnt mean that I still don't think and believe what I believe, that there is more to the whole thing that is not said yet. You don't like that my instinct is right huh? *wink wink* :)

and what have I said that is wrong here? I am happy Takestyle has taken time to research this and knowing him, he must have done a very thorough search. I may disagree with his style of eliciting arguments from people here, but I don't and have never said he is not an intelligent person. So, I cosign his new stand on this. I only wish he would write it as a full paper or report, I really would love to read it.
 

takestyle

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and what have I said that is wrong here? I am happy Takestyle has taken time to research this and knowing him, he must have done a very thorough search. I may disagree with his style of eliciting arguments from people here, but I don't and have never said he is not an intelligent person. So, I cosign his new stand on this. I only wish he would write it as a full paper or report, I really would love to read it.
Well... There are a lot of things I've read of late and I don't know how to process them. I've been reading a lot of newspapers from that era... of course, they were all Nigerian government-owned newspapers so they had their own spin and their own propaganda to make "Emeka" (as they constantly referred to him i a jeering manner) look like the Hitler of Africa.

The Nigerian government invested a lot into trying to repair the country's image and defend it against charges that it was pursuing an Igbo genocide... Interestingly enough, they also made charges that it was actually the Biafrans who were threatening genocide against the non-Igbo eastern minorities.

Some of the most chilling testimony of this came forth during the hearings on the peace negotiations held in Kampala, Uganda in 1968. A prominent Efik doctor named BJ Ikpeme spoke about some of the atrocities Biafran forces visited upon the Efik and Ibibio people.

I don't have a direct link to the Kampala depositions and I don't have energy to start typing them up right now, so please settle for this Google Books preview to a book that cites some of Dr. ikpeme's testimony:

CLICK ON PAGE SNIPPET, START FROM THE TOP OF PAGE 209 AND SCROLL DOWN

Now mind you... I don't necessarily take any of this at face value. The Federal government fabricated a lot of lies about Biafra in order to salvage its own image. And Dr. Ikpeme, along with George Kurobo and others were considered traitors who initially supported Biafra and then at some point switched sides for the sake of their own personal gain/survival.

But what bothers me is that I have searched high and low for ONE citation debunking Dr. Ikpeme's testimony and I haven't found anybody to allege that what he said is not true. In fact, I've barely seen any scholar or commentator upon the address his allegations at all.

That disturbs me greatly.
 

ssergit

..still The Drama Queen!
Well... There are a lot of things I've read of late and I don't know how to process them. I've been reading a lot of newspapers from that era... of course, they were all Nigerian government-owned newspapers so they had their own spin and their own propaganda to make "Emeka" (as they constantly referred to him i a jeering manner) look like the Hitler of Africa.

The Nigerian government invested a lot into trying to repair the country's image and defend it against charges that it was pursuing an Igbo genocide... Interestingly enough, they also made charges that it was actually the Biafrans who were threatening genocide against the non-Igbo eastern minorities.

Some of the most chilling testimony of this came forth during the hearings on the peace negotiations held in Kampala, Uganda in 1968. A prominent Efik doctor named BJ Ikpeme spoke about some of the atrocities Biafran forces visited upon the Efik and Ibibio people.

I don't have a direct link to the Kampala depositions and I don't have energy to start typing them up right now, so please settle for this Google Books preview to a book that cites some of Dr. ikpeme's testimony:

CLICK ON PAGE SNIPPET, START FROM THE TOP OF PAGE 209 AND SCROLL DOWN

Now mind you... I don't necessarily take any of this at face value. The Federal government fabricated a lot of lies about Biafra in order to salvage its own image. And Dr. Ikpeme, along with George Kurobo and others were considered traitors who initially supported Biafra and then at some point switched sides for the sake of their own personal gain/survival.

But what bothers me is that I have searched high and low for ONE citation debunking Dr. Ikpeme's testimony and I haven't found anybody to allege that what he said is not true. In fact, I've barely seen any scholar or commentator upon the address his allegations at all.

That disturbs me greatly.
Oh my God!!! I read that excerpt and it reads like a scene from 'Schindler's List'!!!! Like Hitler at work, live in the Eastern region! Did Ojukwu at any time communicate with Hitler? Igbos did that to non-Igbos around them????????
Where and how the hell did they learn to commit genocide like that? I mean, 1967, that is like 7 years after independence!

That story is disturbing! And I am sure it is not a public information, because, me, being an Igbo person, reading it, definitely hate igbos!!! And yet, we used to curse out the hausas for slaughtering the igbos in the North in the 90s, not knowing that such atrocities has already been done in the 60s? And these are not the type of stories an Igbo elder will tell his offsprings and family members! And to think that most of the people that committed all those heinous crimes are now our elders, eating and drinking with us, and our family members!??? This is scary!! Shooting a day old baby? That soldier that pulled the trigger could even be a big person in the society! Perhaps this is why our families have this silent code on Biafra, because if they really talked and said the truth, we would see the beasts and evil soldiers they were wearing the Biafran uniforms! Oh my goodness! :(

With accounts like these, from prominent people, who would then blame the Ikwerre man for refusing to answer Umuola? But sticking to his Rumuola!

Honestly, with more revelations like this, I am now mega convinced that if the true story of Biafra is brought to the surface, a lot of mindsets would change.
Sadly, I sincerely believe Dr. Ikpeme. I do.

This writer surely has a way with words.... this sentence is a heavy blow below the belt, dang!
"However, It was not the purpose of the Federal Government to plan a total military victory or inflict humiliation on the ibos as a group"
Hopefully, before our generation and all the war generation dies off, maybe, just maybe, someone would discover a hidden diary and tell everything AS IS.

Thanks Takestyle, very informative post. You've given me a new angle to search now. Well done.
 
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