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Pls Stop Renting Nigerian Movies!!

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Sola

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Funmibaby said:
Sola i DID read the entire post. you should perhaps try to read and understand mine. I don't see anywhere where my points have been thrashed. They are valid points and still stand. The onus for regulating the renting industry is not with consumers, it should be with movie makers and renting houses, not me. Renting in itself is not an amoral activity and it is not an illegal activity. Is Nollywood a Charity or a business?? If it's charity then i can properly know i'm donating my money.

As for posts taking us back to square one, well, at square one is the issue, and if it is one that isn't resolved then you ain't moving no where. you can't say you're moving on when people are still disagreeing with u.
No one is putting a gun to anyone's head to stop renting Naija movies. It is a request as you see PLEASE there. It is optional, so there really is nothing to debate beyond what has been posted so far. Sure, the industry should regulate itself. That will not happen for a while because the kind of regulation required to protect a NEW INDUSTRY like this is not developed in a vaccuum. It doesn't happen overnight. It has to happen with the help of the Government - and the Government is lost for what to do. That makes it difficult to force anyone to do it.

As per illegality, the structures and business of buying one movie and duplicating it to MAKE MONEY FOR YOURSELF is totally illegal or all your music CDs and Hollywood movies would not be yelling DO NOT MAKE DUPLICATES OF THIS PRODUCT. It becomes even more heinous when you make the money and put it in your pocket. Get to know your law. If you are caught patronsing a pirate at the time he is being arrested, you will be arrested and charged along with him. That makes you an accessory. If you can't control your need to see Naija movies, continue handing your money over to pirates. The choice is yours. No gun to your head sis.
 

Funmibaby

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Sola, I totally agree with you that the government should help in regulating this industry and I understand that as a new industry there are challenges to its self-regulation, but to me, it's a little bit out of place to now put that responsibility on the consumers. It is a business at the very least and you have to have a balance. Your words are making it sound like these directors are doing US a favor by making movies and I don't see that as the case.

Now if a person is buying 5 copies of a movie and renting that 5 copies out (as is the case where I rent) I don't object to it. In fact this lady explicitly discourages copying cds, if you like it, u buy it from her and she goes and replaces her copy as she has done many of times. My point is what stops marketers from saying when you buy more than x number of copies, you pay x fixed amount in royalty to me. This doesn't involve governments and all that. But if they refuse to do so, or simply it is not feasible to do so in that market, then there's nothing anybody else can do about it. I'm just saying it's not realistic to place the responsibility on consumers because if i see movies for rent, i'll rent it and if i don't I won't. Like you eloquently mentioned "no gun to my head"

But if you are as interested in the discussion as u said you were, you would understand that it's not about guns to anyone's head, it's about getting points validated. Either way sha, i suppose i feel where your coming from in terms of need for for some sort of action concerning distribution methods.
 

Sola

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Threads like this are educational, not to win points or battles. As a practitioner myself, my leaning is obvious to everyone here. I am interested in the growth of the industry, in better movies appearing, in professionalism from all concerned. Those who will hear me will. Most people here still rent anyhow.

The problem with views like yours where you as the consumer sits down (just like all Nigerians sit aside expecting the Government to perform miracles), not participating in moving the system forward - is that nothing ever gets done. That is why Nigeria is at a standstill. We say let the Government do it. Meanwhile, the Government is supposed to be all of us. When we do nothing, nothing gets done and the wrong people in power continue to steal our money without providing the basic amenities we need. Same with movies. If you, as a consumer, continue to stand aside watching, expecting miracles from an industry that is still young and trying to find its feet, and you don't think your little help goes a long way, nothing will ever change. And then you complain the movies are junk, yet the people making the junk can't make their money back.

Consumers, practitioners, we all have a responsibility. It may be voluntary, but it goes a long way to make things better for all of us at the end of the day. That is my point. Anyone can rent if they desire. Most here do so anyway. I can only encourage us to try getting those movies legitimately (even if it means ordering from Naija) just so some money gets into the right hands. That money can be recycled and hopefully will return to us as better products. Hopefully...
 
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bolanle

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Hmmmm....I read most of the posts in here and must say am totally guilty of thes only because I can't afford to buy naija movies. Secondly not all movies are all that as Vince has said. Still I keep on watching them. But what I started doing is, I rent a movie and if i like it I go and buy it. Am investing much more into old movies than the current ones.
 

Funmibaby

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My last post was actually gonna be my last on the subject since it's obvious that though we seem to agree on the issue, we don't agree on it's solution but allow me to say just the following and i'll take my thickhead outta here!!!!

You are assuming and generalizing. I actually own more Nigerian movies than I should own on my meagre salary. I am certainly not expecting miracles from the industry and I have never ever personally complained that Nigerian movies are junk. If one day a nollywood movie is as great in quality and production as an "Oceans Twelve" great. If not, then it's still all good. To me, it is what it is. I bought them when they weren't much at all, I buy them now, and I will still buy them in the future. What I appreciate is the initiative, the creativity, and the art of it all. The fact that it is inherently something Nigerian, something African. I've supported the industry in terms of my money, my time, my word of mouth. I've sat down with MANY non-nigerians and practically forced them to watch the thing so as to open their mind up about its existence. I've spoken to NUMEROUS non-nigerians about nigerian actors, shown them pics, pointed them to websites and the like in hopes of encouraging them to patronise. So as a consumer, I don't think i'm just sitting down watching movies, not supporting or participating and expecting miracles while "standing aside" idly. You being a practitioner even makes it offensive that you would suggest that. I certainly agree with you about not leaning on government (although that in of itself is not a negative thing) but what i'm saying is it's the producers/directors who should find a way of regulating themselves and maximizing their income, perhaps not the government and certainly not me. I hope you understand i'm not saying everyone should rent movies all the time and no one should buy nigerian movies ever, i'm just saying at $10/movie (which is what it costs around here) if i want to rent 2 movies in between my $60 bucks, no one should accuse me of "starving" the industry.

I guess at this rate, I'll save the "this is why nigeria is at a standstill" comments for another post another thread!!!!
 

toammyb

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Sola said:
This is a very important truth you have brought up, Khamileon. Of course we complain bitterly that the boys never improve, yet the money they should be making is going into the pockets of pirates and rouge video clubs. I can understand your hunger for Naija movies, but as Khamileon has said, it is indeed better to get it directly from Nigeria like Solatoks and some others are doing than to be renting. When you rent, you destroy their livelihood and you take away your right to ask for a better movie.

The industry is getting better, but the boys doing the work do deserve a lot more than we are giving them. The do need our support. You all praise Tade Ogidan's Dangerous Twins. Well, let me tell you what you don't know. Tade does not make money from his movies. He does it because he enjoys it and it is what he has always wanted to do, and I have known him since I was a toddler when my parents lived in his parents boys quarters in S/L. Yes, he is like the elder brother I never had. He has known me all my life as I him. Movies...that was all we talked about as kids. It was all we fantasised about, how Spielberg achieved a particular fx, how the sound track of Fame is so electrifying... stuff like that. Tade only makes money from shooting commercials that are transmitted on TV. He made Nigeria's first ad on CNN and so many others. It takes him much longer to finish a movie because when he runs out of money, he goes to one of the agencies to pick a job to shoot and gets his money to continue. Tade will get say 4million Naira to do a movie and he will spend 6million just to get it right, spending out of his pocket to make up the rest. One day, I will tell you the stories on the set of Hostages and others.

Tunde Kelani is perpetually complaining the he does not make any money. So many others too. The people who make the good movies you love to watch just do it because they love doing it. Love makes you do crazy things. The cheapo directors make more money than they do becuase they pinch pennies to give you trash, but the likes of Tade Ogidan will sell his soul just to get something he's proud of out of the studio.

So let us think again when we give their money to pirates and video clubs. If you cannot find a legitimate movie store, send the money to Nigeria. That way, it will get to them and encourage them and also do something for our economy back home.
wait oh, so u saying we shud buy movies directly 4m Naija? wat 'bout dem ones they sell in london n stuff. i dnt av link wiv nigeria n videos n i'm afraid i'm stuck wiv buyin' 4m london oh...but i aint gonna rent.
 
Hello All,

I will just like to mention that buying a movie does not mean that you actually bought a legitimate copy and as such you are still filling the pirates pocket and unintentionally leaving the copyright holder out of pocket.

The solution is simple and basic, put in place a process for legitimate rental stores in the west. These stores should be given legitimate sources where films can be purchased for renting and sales.

Give such stores an edge over the pirates with better quality medium (the quality of the film itself is another debate), accessories to go with the movies (pin ups etc), things the pirates cannot provide easily or willing.

Its all about where the revenue ends.

Like I have said previously on this forum, there is no structure for legality in this business hence piracy rules. Create the process and people will follow. It should be simple and easy, not complicated to the point where flying the films from Nigeria becomes easier!!

As for FAN, I have emailed them three times on the issue of setting up a legitimate rental store and still no reply. A real waste of time and frustration.

All I ask that there be a choice made available for vendors, once in place, we can begin to prosecute the illegitimate ones.

Thats my two pence and I am sure I have said nothing new, so all that remains is action.

Cheers

Alex
 

Sola

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aatirene said:
I will just like to mention that buying a movie does not mean that you actually bought a legitimate copy and as such you are still filling the pirates pocket and unintentionally leaving the copyright holder out of pocket.
As long as you buy a copy that is original, the filmmaker gets paid. Whoever makes the original available to you bought it from Nigeria or some other legitimate place.

Unfortunately, there is no structure in place to make all we want easy and even as we try to educate the average consumer about this process, we still have to be tolerant since we can't fill those needs.
 
There are alot of fakes out there that look like original. How do you identify an original? But the cover!

Look I am not trying to be difficult here, but the reality is simple, put in place a process where I can support the industry legitimately with out me breaking an arm or leg and I will follow.

In the UK, I can go to Boots, Argos and a host of other vendors and get hollywood fiilms I believe are legitimate. In the UK there are alot of Chinese people (I do not mean to stereotype here) who offer pirate copies of recently released films on the streets.

But there is a choice the purchaser has.

With Nollywood, there is no choice but to hope you bought a legitimate copy or rented a legitimate copy.
 

Sola

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You don't need to fight me. I have already agreed with you that there is no structure in place for legitimacy right now.
And yes, original movies still get shipped from Nigeria abroad. And a handful of people do have rights to represent some productions abroad, so there are some original movies. How easy they are to recognise is an issue, I admit.
 
Sola,

Thats great news to know some outlets have rights to movies. I have actually been to such a store in London and they told me that so long as you buy a copy from them, you can rent it out.

This is strange, because this forum has suggested that renting movies kills the industry (I agree, because lack of process) and here is a so called legitimate body suggesting renting. Also I found out that such store did not have all the rights to movies they sold and thus by definition have fallen foul.

I want to set up a video rental myself, but a legitimate one and people laugh at me when I suggest this. I guess I am naive to want to support the industry, deliver much sought entertainment and make a little on the side myself within a legal framework.

I am not trying to fight or argue with you, we are on the same side, but my frustration to move forward in the right way may exceed yours (if I may say) based on experience. I have been to Nigeria to discuss this and again, you are told by vendors (even producers) alike, just buy the movies (legitimate or not) and set up shop nobody will ask you questions.

Sometimes life is just NOT fair.

Bear with me, I can be passionate about things I believe in.

Thanks for the info and discussion.

Alex
 

Obariba

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Nollywood will survive like Hollywood did !!!!

But Nigerians had been pirating Oyibo movies long before Nollywood. So we are only getting a taste of our own medicine. Even the OYINBO movies in the video clubs are copies not original. Why should we now change our culture of Piracy because we now make Nigerian moveies. Some how Hollywood survived our breaking their copyright laws Nollywood too will survive. I buy my movies but if I can find a place to conveniently rent I will do that.I tried IZOGN streamline but it wasnt clear because I have dial up.The actors and actress travel to the US every day I dont think they are doing badly financially.

khamileon said:
I Am Surprised At How Many Of Y'all That Are Trying To Support The Growth Of The Industry Still Goes About "renting Nigerian Movies" How Will The Industry Ever Grow When Video Club Owners Are Reaping The Profits... Yet Some Of Y'all Scream How Bad The Movies Are And How Lazy The Producers Are... Now Tell Me, Na Were Una Don See Persin Wey Dey Work Without Pay Or Good Pay?? Yet You Want Am To Give Im Best.

I Have Been Watching Naija Movies Since "living In Bondage" And I Have Never Rented One Single Movie. I Either Buy Or Exchange With Friends.. If The Movies Gets Too Many At Home I Sell Them Or Give Them Away. By The Way Must You Watch Every Movie Made?? I Understand Most People Have A Very Huge Appetite For Naija Movies, But Must You Really Watch Every One Made?? I Think People Really Have To Start Thinking About The Survival Of The Industry And Moving To The Next Stage. By Renting, There Is No Way You Are Helping The Industry, Only Filling The Pockets Of Those Who Didn’t Sweat To Make The Movie.. If The Movies are too expensive to buy, instead Of Renting Send $20 Home Every Month And It Can Get U At Least 7 New Movies... Of Cause I Know Some People Don’t Have The Time For What I Am Saying Cause Nobody Wants To Sacrifice, And That’s The Biggest Problem We As A People Are Facing.. Unless We Start Finding Ways To Deal With This Problem, The Future Will Always Remain Turbulent.

Ps: If We In The Diaspora Stop Renting Nigerian Movies, Do You Know What That Will Do For The Industry?? "MODERATOR PLS MAKE THIS STICK" THANKS!!
 

Sola

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I'm sure no one is holding you back bro. The thread is an education for those who want to know.
By the way, oyinbo people pirate their own movies more than we do. So that makes sense too. We should pirate our own movies more than anybody else, abi?
 
Sola said:
I'm sure no one is holding you back bro. The thread is an education for those who want to know.
By the way, oyinbo people pirate their own movies more than we do. So that makes sense too. We should pirate our own movies more than anybody else, abi?

Did you see my PM?
 

Obariba

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Supply And Demand

To be honest like someone said "Nollywood is not a charity". Nigeria already is unable to regulate so many things in that society. I enjoy the movies and would love to rent the movies. If Nollywood is unable to supply to the high demand abroad that is their problem. Ill buy the movies online, in the stores and rent as long as I can satisfy my urge to WATCH. Making sure an original copy of the mivie is available to me as a consumer is up to NOllywood. The actors are in the US every day right ? How are they addressing the issue of Supply and Demand in the US ? . Or are they just coming here to parade themselves ?

Sola said:
I'm sure no one is holding you back bro. The thread is an education for those who want to know.
By the way, oyinbo people pirate their own movies more than we do. So that makes sense too. We should pirate our own movies more than anybody else, abi?
 

Obariba

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Piracy

Sola said:
I'm sure no one is holding you back bro. The thread is an education for those who want to know.
By the way, oyinbo people pirate their own movies more than we do. So that makes sense too. We should pirate our own movies more than anybody else, abi?
I said Naija people had been pirating Onyibo movies long b4 Nollywood existence. So why are folks complaining about piracy with naija movies. Onyibo dont pirate their own movies point of correction. third world countries pirate them.
 

Sola

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Obariba said:
Onyibo dont pirate their own movies point of correction. third world countries pirate them.
Ah, okay. You're an expert. The Star Wars 3 currently in the theatre that I saw the DVDs on the streets of NJ today was pirated by the 3rd world and shipped to the US. Moving on bro. You win.
 

Obariba

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Bingo !!! My point exactly if you found pirated DVD's in the United States what makes you think there should not be pirated Naija movies ? We will have to start addressing the several reproduction of other merchandise b4 even considering Nollywood eg spare parts in Naija @ Aba etc. Im female by the way !!!
 
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