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Pointers Depot For Good Visual Storytelling

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The Maverick

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angeleyez said:
My own advice is to put in every leisure time you have into completing your script because in this case the problem will not be about where you are heading but about losing interest in what you've already started. Since a lot of time has been spent away from completing your script, you may have to read the script to remind yourself of what you've been writing about and to make sure you do not include points that are conflicting one another. To avoid this sort of set back, putting as much time into finishing and make notes.

What I do is I make a note about a chapter before I write it. I look at what I've written and since I know what I'll like the next scene to be then I make a note about that particular chapter to remind me of what I plan on including in that chapter. Do not write it on a paper to avoid losing it but write it on the top page of the script so it can be saved on your disk.


This is where my problem lies, I can spend a whole week writing a script and a whole month away from it. I already know the beginning and the end of my script but continuing after one week and with a 77 pages of writing at this time seems to always be difficult for me.
soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo true.
 

vince

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#22
Iya Laje said:
Whoa I have a lot to learn, I've always wanted to write but I've never had the rules and regulations like this, wow I really need to start visiting this thread often, I'm already learning a lot . Thanks soooooo much Uncle Vince.
You're wellcome,iya. :)
 

vince

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#23
The Maverick said:
This is generally true...however, I just completed a script that I had no idea what the end could be. I just let the characters and plot take me on a ride. And I'm very glad with the outcome truthfully. This is not the norm, but that was the approach I took, and it worked for me. You'll like it Vince....I'll hit you up with it later....or perhaps you should wait until it comes out, and you can give it your now famous critique.
It is possible to do it that way too,but like you said,knowing the end first is the norm.
I'll be happy to read ya script. :)
 
#24
I believe people who learn from here probably have a long way to go , i will advice that you refer them to a home page where they can download a text book that will serve as their teacher not you , because you people have more better jobs to do than telling people how to write script, if this people are not talented ther is no way they can learn like this , I learnt from books and ther I can testify to these few rules which the Author callsShow it ,tell it but dont direct it. because i argued with one of these script writers who normally want to feel too big because they tell you they learned script writing from the university of this and that, so they tell you that the better script is when you are teaching a director that this is angle shot , this shot and so on, instead of telling the director that this scene happened in:
INT. CHIEF DUKE OKOSUN'S RESIDENCE, DINING ROOM. NIGHT, and leave the director to do his job by directing the way the job will be perfect,even at times script writers who are directors when they write script describing shots only to find out that they get to location and the room or the excat location is not befiting enough , he might change shots,

generally the world of script writing must be understood before going into it , first follow the normal rules:
Do the Plot out, take to the story board and start to write that way you wont forget anything at all even if you have to go abroad and come back you may only want to add to the lines not to forget the story because the story board and the plot already helps you know how many scene the story is going to take. please dont spoil the face of the nigeria movie with your bad scripts, think of international script.
 

The Maverick

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Prince Great said:
I believe people who learn from here probably have a long way to go , i will advice that you refer them to a home page where they can download a text book that will serve as their teacher not you , because you people have more better jobs to do than telling people how to write script, if this people are not talented ther is no way they can learn like this , I learnt from books and ther I can testify to these few rules which the Author callsShow it ,tell it but dont direct it. because i argued with one of these script writers who normally want to feel too big because they tell you they learned script writing from the university of this and that, so they tell you that the better script is when you are teaching a director that this is angle shot , this shot and so on, instead of telling the director that this scene happened in:
INT. CHIEF DUKE OKOSUN'S RESIDENCE, DINING ROOM. NIGHT, and leave the director to do his job by directing the way the job will be perfect,even at times script writers who are directors when they write script describing shots only to find out that they get to location and the room or the excat location is not befiting enough , he might change shots,

generally the world of script writing must be understood before going into it , first follow the normal rules:
Do the Plot out, take to the story board and start to write that way you wont forget anything at all even if you have to go abroad and come back you may only want to add to the lines not to forget the story because the story board and the plot already helps you know how many scene the story is going to take. please dont spoil the face of the nigeria movie with your bad scripts, think of international script.


Prince, I believe that you're a good screenwriter. But it's a bit of jumping the gun to say that everyone here doesn't know how to write screenplays. People have different ways of doing things. The way you do it, might not be the same way that it works out for someone else. And just reading from books doesn't teach you everything. There are plenty of other elements...such as simple creative writing in the form of regular story writing. If you have the luxury of using storyboards, that's great, but that's more of a director's tool than a screenwriter's tool, so you're contradicting yourself. And don't forget the simplest of all...your voice. Why would you want to mimic someone else. Write it the way it comes to you...and adhere to screenplay formatting later. Just tell your story in your own voice and language, ie Tarantino.
 
#26
vince said:
I just thought that i should open this thread and make it a sticky.
In here we can deposit pointers on how to write a good script.
Seasoned writers like area fada can help up and coming writers who want to rise above the mediocre standard of nollywood scripting.
I am a newbie myself,so i will contribute some pointers and learn more at the same time.
;)
Less dialogue show more action
 
#27
jammrock said:
a good writer always walk around with his/her note book and pensil to jot down any idea or event that interest him. most of the time we get ideas when we are waling on the street or watching poeple talk, so its vital to be ready to put them down in black and white before its lost.

I agree partially in that I don't walk around with a pen and paper. What I do is locate one as soon as possible to jot down a quick and dirty synopsis then if I'm still feeling the idea a week later, I'll take the pain staking steps to outline the story. It'll probably sit in outline mode for another week to months depending on how anxious I am to get started on expanding the outline into a full blown script. My 2 cents contribution to this thing is you got to start with an outline: it'll make life a whole lot easier and will help you see how each small scene fits in within the puzzle of the big picture. In this regard, I do argee wholeheartedly with Vince that you should know what the beginning, middle, and end of your story is BEFORE you start writing.
 
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krisbobo

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u got it right vince..

nice one here.. i have always believed that the biggest problem with nollywood is the obvious gaping lack of good scripts... b4 u r right a good scrit however, u must have a good story! hope we can really exchange ideas here so that we may soon begin to watch films that we can take something away from
krisbobo
 
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Prince Great said:
I believe people who learn from here probably have a long way to go , i will advice that you refer them to a home page where they can download a text book that will serve as their teacher not you , because you people have more better jobs to do than telling people how to write script, if this people are not talented ther is no way they can learn like this , I learnt from books and ther I can testify to these few rules which the Author callsShow it ,tell it but dont direct it. because i argued with one of these script writers who normally want to feel too big because they tell you they learned script writing from the university of this and that, so they tell you that the better script is when you are teaching a director that this is angle shot , this shot and so on, instead of telling the director that this scene happened in:
INT. CHIEF DUKE OKOSUN'S RESIDENCE, DINING ROOM. NIGHT, and leave the director to do his job by directing the way the job will be perfect,even at times script writers who are directors when they write script describing shots only to find out that they get to location and the room or the excat location is not befiting enough , he might change shots,

generally the world of script writing must be understood before going into it , first follow the normal rules:
Do the Plot out, take to the story board and start to write that way you wont forget anything at all even if you have to go abroad and come back you may only want to add to the lines not to forget the story because the story board and the plot already helps you know how many scene the story is going to take. please dont spoil the face of the nigeria movie with your bad scripts, think of international script.

no offence prince, but i am just curious to know what book you read that told you not to specify where scences are supposed to take place, and to leave directors to go with the flow....from what you're saying there should be more dialouge and less scence specifications right... from where i am standing the picture of your idea of a screen play is just a pack of papers filled with people ranting on and on.....i dont really get your point there.
 

takestyle

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robbie said:
no offence prince, but i am just curious to know what book you read that told you not to specify where scences are supposed to take place, and to leave directors to go with the flow....from what you're saying there should be more dialouge and less scence specifications right... from where i am standing the picture of your idea of a screen play is just a pack of papers filled with people ranting on and on.....i dont really get your point there.
i don't believe that's what Prince was saying.

you definitely need to indicate the scene's location, but what you are NOT to do is spend a lot of time describing the location. if you say:

INT. DINING ROOM - NIGHT

that's quite sufficient, rather than going on describing every physical aspect of the dining room. there may be some key details that about the physical location that you might want to specify so far as they affect the actual plot, but otherwise it's not your job to act the set designer within the pages of the script.

furthermore, i believe Prince was saying that you don't want to spend time describing angles and shots, because the director may decide to use none of it. just give us the situation, and let the story tell itself through the action and dialogue.
 
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pompom

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Please, please please do not introduce major xters 1 1/2 hours into the movie just so you can take the easy way out. Taiye has no father for most of the movie, out of the blue a father appears and solves the problem.

Also write in images -- do not use only dialogue to reveal the whole story. Show us sometimes, don't tell us.
 
#34
I'm no screenwriter but forced to write/rewrite several screenplays for the following reasons.

Not using a recognised screenplay format is a major bone of contention for me. screenplays should be formatted so that you can weigh from it pace and duration, even when writing for yourself.

Other important factors I think haven't been mentioned so far are:

Consistency - speech in particular. e.g. a character's speech pattern should not change (vocabulary, mannerism), all characters should not sound like the writer, etc. What makes the characters tick and their motivations should be visible.

Non-linear structure - Nollywood stories are especially monotonous in that they follow one character and one storyline from start to finish. Usually, stories are multi-dimensional which converge into a main storyline as they progress. A linear structure is doable but having the main character in every single scene, for instance, can make a story drag.

Development and resolution - as pompom said, characters and storylines suddenly appearing/vanishing is a no-no. Each should be introduced, developed and resolved, rather than you watching/reading then wandering, "what happened to xyz?"

A "successful" nollywood screenwriter recently argued with me that "putting dialogue in a script stops the actors from acting because they have to recite it".

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vince

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Great pointers,hek.For someone who doesn't write,you sure know a few things.
HekCentrik said:
I'm no screenwriter but forced to write/rewrite several screenplays for the following reasons.

Not using a recognised screenplay format is a major bone of contention for me. screenplays should be formatted so that you can weigh from it pace and duration, even when writing for yourself.

Other important factors I think haven't been mentioned so far are:

Consistency - speech in particular. e.g. a character's speech pattern should not change (vocabulary, mannerism), all characters should not sound like the writer, etc. What makes the characters tick and their motivations should be visible.

Non-linear structure - Nollywood stories are especially monotonous in that they follow one character and one storyline from start to finish. Usually, stories are multi-dimensional which converge into a main storyline as they progress. A linear structure is doable but having the main character in every single scene, for instance, can make a story drag.

Development and resolution - as pompom said, characters and storylines suddenly appearing/vanishing is a no-no. Each should be introduced, developed and resolved, rather than you watching/reading then wandering, "what happened to xyz?"

A "successful" nollywood screenwriter recently argued with me that "putting dialogue in a script stops the actors from acting because they have to recite it".

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filmdirector

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Script writing

don't mean to sound insulting just curious. There is so much intelligent discourse here on scriptwriting and the way it sounds a lot of people know how to write and probably have written some screenplays but how come Nigerian movies still have bad plots?

R the people here not actually making movies? Or not part of the Nigerian film industry?

Or r we just more intellectuals and critics?
 

vince

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filmdirector said:
don't mean to sound insulting just curious. There is so much intelligent discourse here on scriptwriting and the way it sounds a lot of people know how to write and probably have written some screenplays but how come Nigerian movies still have bad plots?

R the people here not actually making movies? Or not part of the Nigerian film industry?

Or r we just more intellectuals and critics?
To follow on this line of discussion will divert this thread,so i suggest you open a separate thread on your question.Valid questions,though.:)
 
#40
I'm starting a new story with an outline of the plot, so I'm sure my first movie will have a good plot. If the outline is good, hopefully the rest will be.
 
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