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Protests over Mohammed cartoons intensify in Iran

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khamileon

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Lafem said:
Fine. All I'll say to that is this: MUSLIMS ALONE DO NOT HAVE A MONOPOLY ON VIOLENCE! Why should the rest of the world tolerate their hooliganism and allow them take the rest of the world hostage, all in the name of religion? Na so some years ago, a truck-driver from Eastern naija got lynched and killed in the North, for unknowingly running over a Quran! What sort of extremism is that??? Na only dem dey practice religion? Folks need to stop making excuses for these folks, abeg!

At the rate they're going, they're going to push the Europeans into a Gung-Ho mentality as well, and effectively erase any initial sympathy they may have enjoyed from the rest of the world. If Europe decides to call their bluff [which it's already doing; seeing as many other European newspapers also decided to unapologetically publish the cartoons that started this whole thing, in solidarity with the Danes, and in a show of defiance against muslims' attempt to stiffle their freedom of expression], the Muslims will eventually loose out. Right now, states like Iran [one of the culprits responsible for fanning the flames of the current crisis] are banking on their Oil power to blackmail and push the West around, coz they know Europe is heavily dependent on their Oil, but Europe won't be pushed around forever. Sooner or later they'll employ 'more traditional methods' [in the words of former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl] in flogging these extremists inline.
I have asked this question before..... WHO PUT THAT QURAN ON THE ROAD???? Its a Moslem state, The book is holy to Moslems, so what was it doing on the Road?.... Unless some blood thirsty hooligans put it on the road as a trap! I never heard of a Bokk walking and laying on the ground by itself... They actually chased the driver to a Police Station, put him and and killied him....
 
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samira

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Dear Brothers and Sisters in Islam,

Salaam Aleikum. May Allah (SWT) reward all of you for the good that you do for Al-Islam and
all of humankind.

It is true that all Muslims, and most other people of integrity and those who love Almighty God, were deeply offfended by the characterizations of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in those infamous cartoons published in Denmark and other places in Europe. We all feel that sacred boundries were violated, and that this characterization of Prophet Muhammad, or for that matter, any Messenger of God, should never have happened and should never happen again.

But the issue of whether there is collective guilt on the part of an entire nation should also be closely examined. And I, for one, don't believe that the entire population of any nation should be targeted for retaliation ( or in this case, retaliatory economic boycotts) if a handful of perpetrators have committed an offense-even a very grave one.

For this reason, I don't think that it's wise, or productive, for Muslims to boycott Danish products ( other than, of course, those which we should not consume anyway because they are haram).

And I base my position on the following two points of logic.

1. Denmark did not do anything to offend Muslims; some Danish individual cartoonist(s) and newspaper editors did.

2. A boycott of Danish products would largely be symbolic ( and probably not measurably effective) and would likely to result in either (a) increased purchases of Danish products by opponents of Islam, and (b) the possbility of counter-boycotts targeting Islamic and/or Arab communities.

There is also the issue of the violent actions that have taken in a variety of Islamic nations, which have further place Muslims in the spotlight of world scrutiny, and made us appear ( to the delight of our opponents) as violent and irrational.

None of this, of course, means that Muslims should be passive in the face of such ugly characerizations and misrepresentation as those that appeared in the infamous cartoons. But we must be clear and strategic in our responses, and not react in ways that bring further mis-characterizations upon us as an Ummah.

In fact, now might be an excellent historical moment ( like the months directly following September, 2001) for global Muslim initiatives that educate the non-Muslim world about the sacredness of our Beloved Prophet (PBUH) and why we do not permit the showing of human images to represent the Apostles of Allah (SWT).

And let me close with an observation: having visited Denmark in the Summer of 1996, I can fully attest to the fect that this is not an Islamic nation. But the Danish people, on the whole, are much more open and engaged as global citizens and humanitarians than their (Euro) American counterparts; compared to the USA, Danes contributes a far larger percentage of their Gross Domestic Product to humanitarian assistance and foreign aid.

Slander and disrespect must always be confronted, even when they are covered in the rubric of "free speech". But let's confront them with education and bridge-building, and not the instruments of violence or economic retaliation that only pour gasoline on the fires of bigotry and hatred that can only do irreparable harm to all of humanity.

Brother Ibrahim Abdil-Mu'id Ramey
 
khamileon said:
I have asked this question before..... WHO PUT THAT QURAN ON THE ROAD???? Its a Moslem state, The book is holy to Moslems, so what was it doing on the Road?.... Unless some blood thirsty hooligans put it on the road as a trap! I never heard of a Bokk walking and laying on the ground by itself... They actually chased the driver to a Police Station, put him and and killied him....


That's extremism of the highest degree. Those who killed the driver were wrong. I believe the guy made a genuine mistake. I wonder what those people are being taught at the Mosque.:shock
 

khamileon

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Meddeen250 said:
You guys can call Muslims whatever you want. All I know is that these extremists wouldn't have behaved in such a manner if those cartoons had not been published.
Last year, an Italian footballer (Paolo Dicanio) made a Facist salute to his fans and he got in trouble for doing it. He was condemned all over Europe for his actions even though he was only using his right to "Freedom of expression".
The truth of the matter is that there are limits to freedom of expression even in Europe. So it doesn't matter what you guys think of Muslims cos your opinions won't change a thing.
My brother it has noting to do with branding Moslems, but more about some people who are blood thirsty!!! I saw some Moslems doing a peaceful protest... that is how it should be, killing the whole world because your prophet was made fun of aint gon take you anywhere....
 
samira said:
Dear Brothers and Sisters in Islam,

Salaam Aleikum. May Allah (SWT) reward all of you for the good that you do for Al-Islam and
all of humankind.

It is true that all Muslims, and most other people of integrity and those who love Almighty God, were deeply offfended by the characterizations of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in those infamous cartoons published in Denmark and other places in Europe. We all feel that sacred boundries were violated, and that this characterization of Prophet Muhammad, or for that matter, any Messenger of God, should never have happened and should never happen again.

But the issue of whether there is collective guilt on the part of an entire nation should also be closely examined. And I, for one, don't believe that the entire population of any nation should be targeted for retaliation ( or in this case, retaliatory economic boycotts) if a handful of perpetrators have committed an offense-even a very grave one.

For this reason, I don't think that it's wise, or productive, for Muslims to boycott Danish products ( other than, of course, those which we should not consume anyway because they are haram).

And I base my position on the following two points of logic.

1. Denmark did not do anything to offend Muslims; some Danish individual cartoonist(s) and newspaper editors did.

2. A boycott of Danish products would largely be symbolic ( and probably not measurably effective) and would likely to result in either (a) increased purchases of Danish products by opponents of Islam, and (b) the possbility of counter-boycotts targeting Islamic and/or Arab communities.

There is also the issue of the violent actions that have taken in a variety of Islamic nations, which have further place Muslims in the spotlight of world scrutiny, and made us appear ( to the delight of our opponents) as violent and irrational.

None of this, of course, means that Muslims should be passive in the face of such ugly characerizations and misrepresentation as those that appeared in the infamous cartoons. But we must be clear and strategic in our responses, and not react in ways that bring further mis-characterizations upon us as an Ummah.

In fact, now might be an excellent historical moment ( like the months directly following September, 2001) for global Muslim initiatives that educate the non-Muslim world about the sacredness of our Beloved Prophet (PBUH) and why we do not permit the showing of human images to represent the Apostles of Allah (SWT).

And let me close with an observation: having visited Denmark in the Summer of 1996, I can fully attest to the fect that this is not an Islamic nation. But the Danish people, on the whole, are much more open and engaged as global citizens and humanitarians than their (Euro) American counterparts; compared to the USA, Danes contributes a far larger percentage of their Gross Domestic Product to humanitarian assistance and foreign aid.

Slander and disrespect must always be confronted, even when they are covered in the rubric of "free speech". But let's confront them with education and bridge-building, and not the instruments of violence or economic retaliation that only pour gasoline on the fires of bigotry and hatred that can only do irreparable harm to all of humanity.

Brother Ibrahim Abdil-Mu'id Ramey


May Allah bless this learned brother.:1iagree: :1iagree:
 
khamileon said:
My brother it has noting to do with branding Moslems, but more about some people who are blood thirsty!!! I saw some Moslems doing a peaceful protest... that is how it should be, killing the whole world because your prophet was made fun of aint gon take you anywhere....


Again it's the extremists who are causing the problems not the moderates. The best way to keep these people quiet is to say out of their way. These people will never give up.


PS: heard you were in London. Hope you enjoyed your stay.:)
 

mimi victor

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Can you believe those Dum Dum in Nigeria killing pple because some Dum Dum Imam who don't know what is going on outside his collections of Elehas read the news paper to them upside down They . even kill more than the pple that started the madness Illiteracy is really a bad disease.
 
mimi victor said:
Can you believe those Dum Dum in Nigeria killing pple because some Dum Dum Imam who don't know what is going on outside his collections of Elehas read the news paper to them upside down They . even kill more than the pple that started the madness Illiteracy is really a bad disease.


@highlighted. It didn't happen because of "illiteracy". It happened as a result of widespread anger. Why do you guys always talk about illiteracy when it comes to Islam.
By the way, Islamic knowledge is another form of education.
 

khamileon

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Meddeen250 said:
Again it's the extremists who are causing the problems not the moderates. The best way to keep these people quiet is to say out of their way. These people will never give up.


PS: heard you were in London. Hope you enjoyed your stay.:)
I dey my brother..... No worry we go spend a lot of good times together this by God's grace.
 

mimi victor

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Y ou can be educated and still be an illterate This pple I MEAN THESE FANATICS just refuse to teach themself to respect, have an open mind and accept other God creations as Gods handiwork. No way. It has to be their darkage evil way or nothing at all. Their own book does not contain the word forgiveness. Shedding blood to them is a way of serving their God. Because they were promise seven virgin in heaven. When they cannot even have one on earth. And they really believe they are going to heaven. Most of then don't even have a mind of their own.And they are sooo backward it is pitiful God says thou shall not kill. Nobody teach them that.
 

khamileon

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Meddeen250 said:
@highlighted. It didn't happen because of "illiteracy". It happened as a result of widespread anger. Why do you guys always talk about illiteracy when it comes to Islam.
By the way, Islamic knowledge is another form of education.
Medden no come take laugh kill me tonight o!:bouncy :bouncy ....Again this Illiteracy has nothing to do with Isalm.... Just that a lot of the Hausa people are not educated...
 
mimi victor said:
Y ou can be educated and still be an illterate This pple I MEAN THESE FANATICS just refuse to teach themself to respect, have an open mind and accept other God creations as Gods handiwork. No way. It has to be their darkage evil way or nothing at all. Their own book does not contain the word forgiveness. Shedding blood to them is a way of serving their God. Because they were promise seven virgin in heaven. When they cannot even have one on earth. And they really believe they are going to heaven. Most of then don't even have a mind of their own.And they are sooo backward it is pitiful God says thou shall not kill. Nobody teach them that.


The people responsible for the death of an innocent driver were wrong. I said it earlier on this thread.

@Highlighted. Really, didn't the same God order Saul to destroy an entire kingdom and kill everyone? Please try and get all the facts. BTW, you can check it out in your Bible (read 1 Samuel chapter 15).
 
khamileon said:
Medden no come take laugh kill me tonight o!:bouncy :bouncy ....Again this Illiteracy has nothing to do with Isalm.... Just that a lot of the Hausa people are not educated...


Where are the Hausa members on NR? Come and yabb Kahmi o.
Just because the people pronounce "F" as "P", they're now illiterates ehn?smokin:
 

Obariba

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mimi victor said:
Shedding blood to them is a way of serving their God. Because they were promise seven virgin in heaven. When they cannot even have one on earth. And they really believe they are going to heaven.

:laugh: :lol
 

khamileon

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Meddeen250 said:
Where are the Hausa members on NR? Come and yabb Kahmi o.
Just because the people pronounce "F" as "P", they're now illiterates ehn?smokin:
FLEASE!!!!! Medden dont tell anybody to yab me o! cause na true I tok. I can bet you PIPTY POUNDS:laugh:
 
khamileon said:
FLEASE!!!!! Medden dont tell anybody to yab me o! cause na true I tok. I can bet you PIPTY POUNDS:laugh:


Now I know why you guys like to use them as gatemen in movies. Those people will rise and take over Nigeria one day.:cool-smil
 

mimi victor

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Meddeen250 said:
The people responsible for the death of an innocent driver were wrong. I said it earlier on this thread.

@Highlighted. Really, didn't the same God order Saul to destroy an entire kingdom and kill everyone? Please try and get all the facts. BTW, you can check it out in your Bible (read 1 Samuel chapter 15).
Are you telling me that God order Osama to destroy the Americans. After reading the Old testament did you read the new one. Theory has it that Osama and his cohorts are the generations of Ishmeal.
 

Hubscrown

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Meddeen250 said:
The people responsible for the death of an innocent driver were wrong. I said it earlier on this thread.

@Highlighted. Really, didn't the same God order Saul to destroy an entire kingdom and kill everyone? Please try and get all the facts. BTW, you can check it out in your Bible (read 1 Samuel chapter 15).
Meddeen Christians dont capitalised on Bible like you guys do with your Quran (btw, are you still a muslim?). That section of the Bible, Old Testament is historical book. Like adventure books that you learn from, only that this one is sacred and real life stories. The real Christians focus more on the New Testament and its teachings.
 
mimi victor said:
Are you telling me that God order Osama to destroy the Americans. After reading the Old testament did you read the new one. Theory has it that Osama and his cohorts are the generations of Ishmeal.


I never said God ordered Osama to destroy the Americans. I was only making the point that God himself has ordered the taking of human lives before (if your Bible is anything to go by).
 
Hubscrown said:
Meddeen Christians dont capitalised on Bible like you guys do with your Quran (btw, are you still a muslim?). That section of the Bible, Old Testament is historical book. Like adventure books that you learn from, only that this one is sacred and real life stories. The real Christians focus more on the New Testament and its teachings.


Oh brother.
 
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