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Sex for role in Nollywood, so what? - Femi Ogedegbe

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vince

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somehow i knew you were going to say that.... in fact, in my post i originally wrote "and please don't tell me to find that info for myself because you can't be bothered"... but i edited that out because i wanted to give you the benfit of the doubt.

i believe that when anybody makes a statement that professes to factual, they should be prepared to back it up with evidence. you have refused to do this... so i don't know why you expect me to accept your statement as fact.

why should i accept that it is true? because you said it? what is it based on?
Ah!That is okay,TS.You don't have to believe anything i say on this,and i don't have to make the extra efforts digging up proofs to furnish you with.

Veteran NR members who were around when the debates about these events were raging, know what i am talking about.If you dig into the NR old threads on this very issue,you will find them.We had long debates on this in 2003/4.

We even had some prominent nigerian actors coming online to join the debate,back then.Actors like BIMBO MANUEL,who is also an NR member,for example.

So,forget it,bro.
 

takestyle

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Ah!That is okay,TS.You don't have to believe anything i say on this,and i don't have to make the extra efforts digging up proofs to furnish you with.

Veteran NR members who were around when the debates about these events were raging, know what i am talking about.If you dig into the NR old threads on this very issue,you will find them.We had long debates on this in 2003/4.

We even had some prominent nigerian actors coming online to join the debate,back then.Actors like BIMBO MANUEL,who is also an NR member.
So,forget it,bro.
i don't regard having the evidence to back up your statement to be "extra efforts," vince... in fact, it's one of the basic premises of a logical discourse: you make a statement, you follow it up with facts to verify it.

instead, you are asking ME to make the "extra efforts" to dig through the archives looking for some sort of back-up... makes no sense.
 

vince

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i don't regard having the evidence to back up your statement to be "extra efforts," vince... in fact, it's one of the basic premises of a logical discourse: you make a statement, you follow it up with facts to verify it.

instead, you are asking ME to make the "extra efforts" to dig through the archives looking for some sort of back-up... makes no sense.
TS,it is not that important anymore,atleast not for me.I don't have the energy to start digging into NR to back my statements just to make sense to you.

Maybe some other veteran member might want to try.Or if proof is that important to you,then you do the digging.I'm done.
 

takestyle

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TS,it is not that important anymore,atleast not for me.I don't have the energy to start digging into NR to back my statements just to make sense to you.

Maybe some other veteran member might want to try.Or if proof is that important to you,then you do the digging.I'm done.
it's not important to you? then why did you even bother to make the statement in the first place?

if you are sure that your statement is factual, then it should be exceedingly easy for you to support it. i'm not even asking you for links, notarized documents, etc.

just give me a simple timeline... boom: in 2003 so-and-so marketer started taking over the productions.... in 2004, so-and-so producers were asked to leave... in 2008 so-and-so marketers stay on the set micro-managing the affairs.

or at the very least, give me a few names. who are these faceless "marketers" you're always alluding to?

it's easy... and you can't even do that.

what is your statement based on?

and to be honest, i don't appreciate you trying to make it look like i'm anal or being a pain in the ass by asking you to back up your statements. it's the most rudimentary element of a civilized conversation. if i came here and said Yar'adua is dead, you would ask me: "where did you hear this? show me some proof or a reputable source confirming this."

if i failed to provide this or petulantly countered with "you go and look for the information yourself, i don't have the energy," you would be reasonable to assume that my statement is a lie.

and since you have failed to support your statement...
 

kolinzo

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it's not important to you? then why did you even bother to make the statement in the first place?

if you are sure that your statement is factual, then it should be exceedingly easy for you to support it. i'm not even asking you for links, notarized documents, etc.

just give me a simple timeline... boom: in 2003 so-and-so marketer started taking over the productions.... in 2004, so-and-so producers were asked to leave... in 2008 so-and-so marketers stay on the set micro-managing the affairs.

or at the very least, give me a few names. who are these faceless "marketers" you're always alluding to?

it's easy... and you can't even do that.

what is your statement based on?

and to be honest, i don't appreciate you trying to make it look like i'm anal or being a pain in the ass by asking you to back up your statements. it's the most rudimentary element of a civilized conversation. if i came here and said Yar'adua is dead, you would ask me: "where did you hear this? show me some proof or a reputable source confirming this."

if i failed to provide this or petulantly countered with "you go and look for the information yourself, i don't have the energy," you would be reasonable to assume that my statement is a lie.

and since you have failed to support your statement...

As I was reading your post, I had to stop and laugh at the highlighted. You can't be serious man!
 

Sisi

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The EMG landscape of the 90s and the early part of 2000s promoted so much diversity,togetherness, and level playing field for any Nigerian citizen who wanted to be an actor, because full time producers were at the helm of things back then,until the marketers took things over and displaced the producers.Since then EMG has never been the same again.The EMG sector used to belong everybody and not just a particular ethnic group.

Ofcourse the EMG producers' share of the blame is considerable, due to their corrupt mismanagement of the marketers' money allocated them for movie productions.As a matter of fact,in hindsight,they are the chief cause of what has become of the EMG sector today.

While it is a great pity that things have turned out this way,thing can still be reversed to be like in the early times.We are watching.
on the contrary vince, since it is been established that the igboenglish movie genre is meant for the ibos i.e. to tell their stories, display their culture, language, employ their pple and the non igbos have been treated like intruders.

i advise the yorubas shd continue with their genre and find ways to make it better (they seem to be doing that anyway and proud of it too). meaning let them concentrate on their genre and leave the tribalists alone. friendship is not by force, i believe.

and rejection/discrimination drives someone like me to excel if only to prove a point.
 
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on the contrary vince, since it is been established that the igboenglish movie genre is meant for the ibos i.e. to tell their stories, display their culture, language, employ their pple and the non igbos have been treated like intruders.

i advise the yorubas shd continue with their genre and find ways to make it better (they seem to be doing that anyway and proud of it too). meaning let them concentrate on their genre and leave the tribalists alone. friendship is not by force, i believe.

and rejection/discrimination drives someone like me to excel if only to prove a point.

That's precisely why the Nigerian Movie Industry is tribalised. Yep, it is...at least to a certain extent.

Let me tell you a story about a lady who joined an association known as ANTP - Association of NIGERIAN Theatre Practitioners, UK Chapter. She spent one year in the association but made no headway...why??? Because some members were adamant that it was purely a yoruba association, founded by the late Hubert Ogunde and thus has no room for non-yorubas. In fact, Yoruba was the medium of communication at this NIGERIAN association meetings.

This lady and other non-yorubas did not mind as long as there was an interpreter/translator; their major concern was to start something in the entertainment industry to cater for Nigerians living in the UK...regardless of who the founders and initiators were.

But it wasn't to be...some die-hard tribalists, bit on iron and swore that it would never be so and so the non-yorubas and de-tribalised yorubas left.

Now, I do not support tribalism in any shape of form as it is an insidious evil but mayhap, this is what some people in the industry experienced and decided to do their own thing and while at it, pay back evil for evil.

Since the non-yorubas cannot boast of their own Hubert Ogunde and some yorubas believe he belongs to them alone, well...

Is there tribalism in the EMG sector of the Nigerian film industry, I believe there is to a certain extent....In the YMG sector?....yes to a certain extent as well...

Is it a good thing regardless of who started it, no.

Do I have an answer to this? No

I just wanted us to look at this whole issue from another angle....

Okay, am done. Thanks
 

NTB

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I am the only Igbo person in the Nigerian Independence Day Organization. I am not complaining one bit. The members are predominately Yoruba’s and some from the Midwest. Everyone one of them speak Yoruba in the meeting except I and remember that I am the Secretary :teu26: I have no qualms with what is been spoken but if you want your idea/statement to enter the minutes book you have to say it in English and if I did not record it, it did not happen.
 

milkwoman868

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Hmmmm....very interesting,anyways all this arguments/discussion,I ask is it going to help solve the problem of traibalism innigeria or the nigerian movie industry/nollywood?. I really doubt it...... except you all involved in the argument/discussion is in anyway involved with the industry if not not I'll rather suggest that instead of just sitting behind some pc typing long and big grammar(no insults intended)why not air your veiw about this problem directly to those involved i.e writing to the industry,try making contacts to the presidents(heard or read somewhere they are two of them)in both the EMG/YMG sectors respectively and if possible try attending their meetings or conferences near you or back in nigeria.
I know some of them are members of this forum and they come across your/our posts and veiws of what is going on in the industry and prolly read them and throw them out the window cause its not strong enough but doing moer than just typing words and sentences will take your veiws a long way!! my two ceonts kwo!
Y'all have a blessed wknd.
 

takestyle

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Hmmmm....very interesting,anyways all this arguments/discussion,I ask is it going to help solve the problem of traibalism innigeria or the nigerian movie industry/nollywood?. I really doubt it...... except you all involved in the argument/discussion is in anyway involved with the industry if not not I'll rather suggest that instead of just sitting behind some pc typing long and big grammar(no insults intended)why not air your veiw about this problem directly to those involved i.e writing to the industry,try making contacts to the presidents(heard or read somewhere they are two of them)in both the EMG/YMG sectors respectively and if possible try attending their meetings or conferences near you or back in nigeria.
"writing to the industry"?

how do you "write to an industry"?

attend meetings and conferences? you think they're open for anybody in the public to walk into?

and even if one should attend such a meeting, what would one do? ask the people in the YMG and EMG to stop being tribalistic? i'm sure if you ask them nicely, they'll stop immediately!!

please... this is a discussion board. let people discuss issues here.
 

milkwoman868

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"writing to the industry"?

how do you "write to an industry"?

attend meetings and conferences? you think they're open for anybody in the public to walk into?

and even if one should attend such a meeting, what would one do? ask the people in the YMG and EMG to stop being tribalistic? i'm sure if you ask them nicely, they'll stop immediately!!

please... this is a discussion board. let people discuss issues here.
Yes you can,abi don't they have an address or office they operate from?
My dear I'm sure they have conferences that are open to all or maybe certain people but if you sure want to change things you can always find a way to and I never said asking them to stop being trabalistic would put a stop to it rather I said airring your veiw on that issue will go a long way,might not help but something worth doing is worth doing well!.
Lastly,yes I know it's a discussion board and I am not stopping you from doing so am I.... :spiny: My dear carry on and have a great weekendgrinning:
 

takestyle

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Yes you can,abi don't they have an address or office they operate from?
My dear I'm sure they have conferences that are open to all or maybe certain people but if you sure want to change things you can always find a way to and I never said asking them to stop being trabalistic would put a stop to it rather I said airring your veiw on that issue will go a long way,might not help but something worth doing is worth doing well!.
Lastly,yes I know it's a discussion board and I am not stopping you from doing so am I.... :spiny: My dear carry on and have a great weekendgrinning:
an "industry" is not composed of one person or even one organization... there's no centralized office to write to "the industry" in Nollywood... or anywhere else.

(that reminds me of when... was it Teco Benson was saying that he was going to "sue Hollywood" for stealing Blood Diamond from him? abi Hollywood na persin? how do you sue Hollywood? you sue the city of Hollywood and everybody in it?)

and no, they don't have conferences that are open to the public. it's not a village townhall meeting; you ca't have random-ass people strolling in to sit in on a business meeting! especially if you are talking about the marketers... from what i understand, they hold their big meetings in Awka, anyway.
 

Papino

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Ethnicity and tribalism is evident in everything we do as Nigerians.Fact!
Denying it amounts to short-circuting reality.It is so imbibed in us that we hadly get along and have a tendency to disregard laudable acievements and efforts which this thread has abundantly exposed.
It is a fact that Yoruba's are known for pioneering visual dramatic arts in Nigeria and do it with a passion that tilts towards proffessionalism or expertise if you will.Expanding this resource however has short-comings because the ones interested in it are mainly in the academia who,lack the necessary means to take it to the next level.There are also cases of traders exploiting the popularity of Yoruba movies
It is a fact that Igbos have an eye for commerce and the ability to turn everything to commercial gains.When English homemovies became popular,it naturally attracted the interest of people who are most likely to exploit its commercial potentials.Traders who would ignore quality of product because they honestly don't give a rat... about it,jumped into the film industry and true to type,used little money as traders they are,to churn out mediocre films that yields plenty money for them.
Today,EMG is dorminated by Igbos and YMG remains an exclusive Yoruba industry.It only highlights the dis-trust existing between the average Yoruba person and the average Igbo person otherwise,why are they not merged?Nobody has the right to throw stones at the other in this case because,both protects their interest with an ethnic zeal that cannot be over-emphasized.
We should be focused on insisting for quality movies be it EMG or YMG because we don't have it yet.
Secondly,the fact that we are comparing EMG with IGBOS simply tells that the traders would rather promote movies in English than in Igbo.Pro-federalism to one and anti-Igbo by Igbos to another-an accusation we cannot label the YMG folks, i dare say.Does that make the Idumota trader a tribalist?Well,the answer can be anything.
For me,let the quality of the movies start to reflect proffessionalism in the stories,cast and production.More than anything else,we need it nowmusic-sm:
 
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