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#61
I didn't think it was all that either...
Me neither. Besides being too cliche, it was to predictable to me. For instance it was too obvious to me that after wining the auction the guy was going to give it to her. Much of the concept is borrowed from American movie or tv series. example, the operation room at the introduction was so Grey's Anatomy.
 

samira

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#62
But following your line of argument...Hollywood movies are not watched only by Americans...They're watched by other continents...How come we never hear African, Indian, Chinese names in their movies?
P.S: I don't mind foreign names in Nollywood movies but i don't buy the 'expansion thing' as to why foreign names should be used in our Movies...
You are right in the sense that Hollywood movies are not only watched by Americans but by all nations. Why are people from other parts of the world drawn to the American movies? Because they can relate to them and find them interesting. When you say that we never hear African, Indian chinese names in movies made in Hollywood is that a fact? Seriously? The directors in our movies are also trying to attract attention from all over the world. Using foreign names is not necessarily the way to attract others. Like Take said, it is perhaps a way to 'avoid the movie being too firmly associated with any single nationality in the event of it being exported across the continent and beyond'..

It may not be just by the names that they use in the movies. it could even be the story line and so forth. What some of you fail to realize is that long before the movies started in Africa, people were already using British and Christian names. So why won't the movies also use them?
 

samira

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#63
Don't be ridiculous, vince did not name himself. lol
The question is, is Vince his real name or a fake one that he uses online?

For someone, who is using a foreign name himself online, stating that 'as humans, our subconscious is being gradually programmed - by these kind of movies with their non-african naming trend - to gradually hate and reject anything and everything African', he needs to be asked the question that Take asked.

Vince, come back here.... :roll

and don't come back and tell us that u are only using your username 'Vince' online as the movies are also really make believe.
 
#64
You are right in the sense that Hollywood movies are not only watched by Americans but by all nations. Why are people from other parts of the world drawn to the American movies? Because they can relate to them and find them interesting. That is what the directors in our movies are also trying to attract. It may not be just by the names that they use in the movies. it could even be the story line and so forth. What some of you fail to realize is that long before the movies started in Africa, people were already using British and Christian names. So why won't the movies also use them?
Like i stated before, i have no problems with foreign names being used in movies as most of us Africans have atleast one foreign name...I only stated that the fact that other people watch our movies shouldn't be the reason why we should start using foreign names... We could as well start incorporating other peoples cultures(dressing, food, languages, way of life e.t.c) into our movies just to make other races/cultures relate to our movies...It wouldn't look original!

Foreign names, like i already mentioned, are used cause most of us have foreign names and it's even more used these days cause some modern day parents no longer give native names to their children
 

samira

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#65
Like i stated before, i have no problems with foreign names being used in movies as most of us Africans have atleast one foreign name...I only stated that the fact that other people watch our movies shouldn't be the reason why we should start using foreign names... We could as well start incorporating other peoples cultures(dressing, food, languages, way of life e.t.c) into our movies just to make other races/cultures relate to our movies...It wouldn't look original!

Foreign names, like i already mentioned, are used cause most of us have foreign names and it's even more used these days cause some modern day parents no longer give native names to their children
Making a movie is all about making money my dear. If incorporating other people's cultures, brings in the funds, why not? Other than the script writers using foreign names, haven't you seen African movies incorporating other people's cultures ALREADY in the movies? Likewise Hollywood.

I am not an expert in making movies. But from the little that I know, to plan an effective sales strategy, we must first determine the goal of our plan and that is strictly to make money. The movie that we are discussing here is made by Africans but a story that people can relate to all over the world. It is a movie about the trials and tribulations of 6 single women....

So if the scriptwriters choose to use foreign names so what? If to them, it will generate more funds for them, why not? After all, it is their movie and they have every right to come up with whatever names they see fit.
 

takestyle

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#66
Don't be ridiculous, vince did not name himself. lol
I didn't ask whether or not he named himself. I asked if Vince is an African name.

Really why would somebody not want their movie be associated with their nationality when it is exported across the continent? The movie is already based in Accra. African name was only going to add to the movie not take away from it. Imagine if Chinua Achebe was ashamed or afraid to use real African names when he published Things Fall Apart. Just because colonization brainwashed some of us doesn't mean we should never wake up from it.
Things Fall Apart is a terrible example because it is a story whose main focus was to tell the story of a particular community and its culture at a particular point in history. The cultural aspect was actually the centerpiece of the story so of course authentic Igbo names would have to be used.

When you're dealing with a story where it is more about the plot than it is about the cultural coloring, it may not be a bad idea to make the cultural context as generic as possible.

For instance, before there was Nollywood, one of the predecessors to the industry in the 1970s were the photo-novels like "The Spear," "Fearless Fang," "Sadness & Joy," etc. These photo-comics were very popular in Nigeria and Nigerians identified intensely with them even though rather than having Nigerian names, the characters were called "Larry," "Lemmy," "Sonia," etc.

Meanwhile, the same comics were also popular in Ghana where the audience also identified intensely with the characters and believed they were Ghanaians despite them having Ghanaian names. They were popular in Kenya, Uganda, South Africa and other countries... and every country you go to, the people there believe the comics came from their own country and represented them.

Till today, nobody is really sure where exactly they came from... It's probably Kenya or South Africa. But the point is that the absence of specific cultural markers made them easily accessible to a wide range of Africans and even people in the West Indies. Unlike Things Fall Apart, the aim is to sell the story and the characters... not a culture.

Does the plot specifically identify the setting as Accra or are you saying that just because you happen to know that it is a Ghanaian movie?
 

samira

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#67
I didn't ask whether or not he named himself. I asked if Vince is an African name.



Things Fall Apart is a terrible example because it is a story whose main focus was to tell the story of a particular community and its culture at a particular point in history. The cultural aspect was actually the centerpiece of the story so of course authentic Igbo names would have to be used.

When you're dealing with a story where it is more about the plot than it is about the cultural coloring, it may not be a bad idea to make the cultural context as generic as possible.

For instance, before there was Nollywood, one of the predecessors to the industry in the 1970s were the photo-novels like "The Spear," "Fearless Fang," "Sadness & Joy," etc. These photo-comics were very popular in Nigeria and Nigerians identified intensely with them even though rather than having Nigerian names, the characters were called "Larry," "Lemmy," "Sonia," etc.

Meanwhile, the same comics were also popular in Ghana where the audience also identified intensely with the characters and believed they were Ghanaians despite them having Ghanaian names. They were popular in Kenya, Uganda, South Africa and other countries... and every country you go to, the people there believe the comics came from their own country and represented them.

Till today, nobody is really sure where exactly they came from... It's probably Kenya or South Africa. But the point is that the absence of specific cultural markers made them easily accessible to a wide range of Africans and even people in the West Indies. Unlike Things Fall Apart, the aim is to sell the story and the characters... not a culture.

Does the plot specifically identify the setting as Accra or are you saying that just because you happen to know that it is a Ghanaian movie?
the characters did not have Nigerian names
:roll @ Things Fall Apart is a terrible example...I was like duh. ... a very poor example to use...LOL

and yes, they did state on the cover of the movie that the setting as in accra.
 

takestyle

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#68
:roll @ Things Fall Apart is a terrible example...I was like duh. ... a very poor example to use...LOL

and yes, they did state on the cover of the movie that the setting as in accra.
Oh, okay... So it is specifically identified as being set in Ghana (of course, even if it weren't, the names of many of the cast and crew would have given it away anyway)

Still, the argument for generic cultural context still stands... I'm not necessarily supporting it, but I understand it.

Ultimately, it's pretty irrelevant anyway. You know why?

Here's a test: Name the last 5 Nigerian or Ghanaian movies you watched.

Tell me the actors who starred in those 5 movies.

Now tell me the names of the characters those actors played, whether they were African names or foreign ones. Just list the character names you remember without looking it up.

Exactly.
 

samira

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#69
Oh, okay... So it is specifically identified as being set in Ghana (of course, even if it weren't, the names of many of the cast and crew would have given it away anyway)

Still, the argument for generic cultural context still stands... I'm not necessarily supporting it, but I understand it.

Ultimately, it's pretty irrelevant anyway. You know why?

Here's a test: Name the last 5 Nigerian or Ghanaian movies you watched.

Tell me the actors who starred in those 5 movies.

Now tell me the names of the characters those actors played, whether they were African names or foreign ones. Just list the character names you remember without looking it up.

Exactly.
The last move I just watched is 'Chasing hope'


the names used are Emelda Rachel and a Ken Majid...etc


the one before it is a movie called Madam Chelsea....cannot remember the names that were used...they were a combination of naija/british names though.
 
#70
Making a movie is all about making money my dear. If incorporating other people's cultures, brings in the funds, why not? Other than the script writers using foreign names, haven't you seen African movies incorporating other people's cultures ALREADY in the movies? Likewise Hollywood.

I am not an expert in making movies. But from the little that I know, to plan an effective sales strategy, we must first determine the goal of our plan and that is strictly to make money. The movie that we are discussing here is made by Africans but a story that people can relate to all over the world. It is a movie about the trials and tribulations of 6 single women....

So if the scriptwriters choose to use foreign names so what? If to them, it will generate more funds for them, why not? After all, it is their movie and they have every right to come up with whatever names they see fit.
Using foreign names, in this particular case, wouldn't make the movie sell except when it's the title of the movie as in the case of e.g. Beyonce the president's daughter
 

samira

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#71
Using foreign names, in this particular case, wouldn't make the movie sell except when it's the title of the movie as in the case of e.g. Beyonce the president's daughter
I doubt if that was the idea by the writers of the movies in the first place....but people were curious about the names being used on this thread and therefore bought up the discussion ....no be why we all mingle here on NR ? to discuss dem movies? well, goodnight.
 
#72
I doubt if that was the idea by the writers of the movies in the first place....but people were curious about the names being used on this thread and therefore bought up the discussion ....no be why we all mingle here on NR ? to discuss dem movies? well, goodnight.
i doubt that too...i was only replying to your statement that the producers could use foreign names to increase sales...
 
#73
BTW...The only times i've seen Hollywood incorporate African culture in their movies is when it's context-related e.g them wearing african attires would be used e.g. if the person is just returning from Africa...and i'm yet to see Hollywood actors bearing African names not to talk of them using them to boost sales of their movies...
how many Hollywood movies eat African dishes when the script doesn't require it, in other words, when it's not necessary?

Where is the African culture in Indian, Chinese, Mexican, Hollywood movies?
 

samira

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#74
i doubt that too...i was only replying to your statement that the producers could use foreign names to increase sales...
hmmm, u must be sleepy cause no where in my responses on this thread did I say that. If you read my post 62, you will see that I clearly stated that it may not only even be about the names used in the movie..it could be the storyline and other things....however, I did ask that, what if the scriptwriters were using the names to generate sales...so what? That my friend does not mean that I stated it like you just claimed...
 
#75
hmmm, u must be sleepy cause no where in my responses on this thread did I say that. If you read my post 62, you will see that I clearly stated that it may not only even be about the names used in the movie..it could be the storyline and other things....however, I did ask that, what if the scriptwriters were using the names to generate sales...so what? That my friend does not mean that I stated it like you just claimed...
I didn't misunderstand your post... you said ''What IF(meaning there is a possibility) the producers wanted to boost sales with the use of foreign names''...
My reply was to rule out that possibility(your assumption not necessary personal knowledge) cause they're smart enough to know that naming someone titiana in a movie won't boost their market sales...
 

samira

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The argument with you started after you responded to me as I made references to the expansion abi? Post 54. The discussion diverted from the subject at hand sorely because you brought Hollywood movies and other nations into it as a comparison. To be sarcastic , I asked the question that what if that is the reason, implying that is it not the storytellers money that he or she used to make the movie. So however they see fit and want to sell the movies is their own matter ...at that point sef, i was not only speaking sorely of this movie but movie making in general.

FYI, when Take said that there could be reasons why they choose to use foreign names, it was not to imply that it was to generate sales. He was saying that maybe they just didn't want to associate with one nation.

When I responded to him, I came up with an explanation that it was their way of expanding to accommodate other cultures to the movies. at that point, I had move on from the naming issue. Cause the movie itself was one that everyone could relate to and not just Africans...
 

Thickmadam

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#77
i see what y'all are saying but i was just curious not one character appears to have an african name, not even an african last name. (i say appears because i didn't read any in the synopsis)
just expressing mild surprise, i guess.

oh well...carry on.
 

samira

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#78
In Ghana, the last names Williams, Adams and Mills are common Ghanaian names.....Therefore, there is nothing peculiar about it...For all we know, the sciptwriters did not even think much of it...
 

Thickmadam

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#79
thanks for the clarification. i didn't know that.

some english names have become nigerianized that i don't even think of them as english names again eg: john, peter, mary (add an "n" in front this one :) ) jane...somehow in my subconcious o...i don't know how to explain it. but there you have it.


In Ghana, the last names Williams, Adams and Mills are common Ghanaian names.. Therefore, there is nothing peculiar about it...
 

samira

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thanks for the clarification. i didn't know that.

some english names have become nigerianized that i don't even think of them as english names again eg: john, peter, mary (add an "n" in front this one :) ) jane...somehow in my subconcious o...i don't know how to explain it. but there you have it.
true....u will not believe that the Fantes in Ghana for example who have names such as John or Johnson, Jameson, Rockson and so forth are considered traditional names. They have really adopted the British names. Infact, there is an article about Ethic groups in Ghana and when it came to the fantes this what the writer wrote about them:

"By no fault of his own, the regular Fanti Man has been born with a pre-independence White Man's name hanging over his head. Some of them love to pretend it's a burden, (though they love it!) and redeem their nativeness with indigenous first names." LOL
 
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