Sony step-up the DSLR game with a bada$$!!

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Village-Boi

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Hey people, how una dey? Sony have announced what? 6, 7 cameras over the last couple of months or so?

It seems they 'seriously' mean business especially by being the FIRST to come out with a 'sensible and sensibly priced' Full Frame DSLR with pretty good video functions.

Introducing the SONY A99

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MAJOR FEATURES
* Full-Frame 24.3MP Exmor CMOS Sensor
* Sony Dual AF System & Translucent Mirror
* 3.0" TruBlack Tilting LCD Display
* XGA OLED Electronic Viewfider
* Full HD 1920x1080 60p recording
* Blah, blah, blah...

SOURCE

Very interesting things for video -

Crafted for Videographers and Movie-makers

The new α99 camera’s video capabilities build on Sony’s expertise in developing professional motion picture cameras, combining the unmatched resolving power and sensitivity of the full-frame sensor with several advanced features optimized for professional video production.

The flagship α99 model is the first full-frame DSLR to offer Full HD 60p/24p progressive video recording to meet AVCHD™ Version 2.0 specifications and Full-time Continuous AF Movie mode, allowing smooth, non-stop tracking of moving subjects. Other enhancements include real-time Full HD video output via HDMI®, and uninterrupted ‘dual-card’ recording using both of the camera’s media slots.

For added convenience while shooting video, a new silent, programmable multi-control dial on the front of the camera body allows silent adjustment of common settings during shooting including exposure compensation, ISO sensitivity, shutter speed, aperture and much more.

The camera’s audio features are designed to meet the demanding needs of serious videographers. An audio level display and adjustable audio record levels are joined by a headphone jack for accurate in-the-field monitoring. Additionally, the multi-interface shoe provides balance audio input for the optional XLR-K1M adaptor kit, which adds a high-quality mono shotgun microphone and pro-standard XLR connections for dependable audio acquisition."


1080@60p, Full HDMI out, (XLR 'grip' - additional) @ $2,800 only for the body... Well to put that in perspective Canon would offer Full clean HDMI out 1080 @ 60p for... Oh wait... their flagship $7000 1D X can't do that... ok I lied it can do that if you buy the re-hashed body renamed EOS1D-C for $15,000!

There are more interesting things about this camera but to be honest who cares? Not when the BlackMagic Cinema Camera is out plus they have already listened to 'customers wants' and have Micro four-third (M43) mounts being tested (to start shipping for the same price in Dec)... and 'wait for it again'... rumoured s35 sensor sized BMCC camera being 'tested'!
 

Village-Boi

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Na price Sony go take kill person. Lovely piece of equip though...
They have been coming out with very reasonable prices compared to the 'others' in their group; and they are making things with 'less crippled' functions for less $$$$.
I still think the Sony FS700 is a killer cam at a killer price and the '4K RAW' upgrade is only going to be about $500... imagine combining that with a BMCC!
Unlike Canon that, post Hollywood, only give Udu Meri-Meri prices
 

vince

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And only records bloody lowly AVCHD format. Blackmagic cinema camera is doing uncompressed 2.5K for goodness sake! Even by compressed recordings, Blackmagic is still far far ahead with the Avid DNxHD compressed format which is the equivalent of Sony's HDCAM SR Lite format. While i think the uncompressed format is an overkill, Sony will soon be forced to put one of these two professional recording formats into their DSLRs to further change the game. Shove the 10bit DNxHD or their own HDCAMSR Lite into their top of the line DSLRs on a fast SSD for between 3K - 5K bucks and they have themselves a winner and a great competitor for the Blackmagic cinema cam. But they probably won't do it anytime soon because that would be them cannibalizing their own professional HDCAM SR cinema line for sure.
 

Village-Boi

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And only records bloody lowly AVCHD format. Blackmagic cinema camera is doing uncompressed 2.5K for goodness sake! Even by compressed recordings, Blackmagic is still far far ahead with the Avid DNxHD compressed format which is the equivalent of Sony's HDCAM SR Lite format. While i think the uncompressed format is an overkill, Sony will soon be forced to put one of these two professional recording formats into their DSLRs to further change the game. Shove the 10bit DNxHD or their own HDCAMSR Lite into their top of the line DSLRs on a fast SSD for between 3K - 5K bucks and they have themselves a winner and a great competitor for the Blackmagic cinema cam. But they probably won't do it anytime soon because that would be them cannibalizing their own professional HDCAM SR cinema line for sure.
Sony probably would be the first to do that @ a 'reasonable price'... they have been gently, gently shifting away from 'protecting' higher end lines as it really makes no difference to people 'purchasing'; infact I'm willing to bet it makes no difference to 'rentals' either... they already OWN the bulk of the TV broadcast world.

But you also have to realise - this camera is full uncompressed HDMI OUT (an optimistic 10bit 422... more likely to be 8bit though)... people will immediately couple it to external recorders. It's also very, very unlikely that any DSLR will ever shoot iternally to SSD - it will no longer be a DSLR. So for now - eat your hearts out Canon and Nikon ;-)

Coming back to the BMCC, yes it does 2.5K RAW; many will have absolutely no need to shoot that when its ProRes is practically as good as the Alexa. Got to think of the 'work-flow', time and amount of money shooting RAW does cost... BUT brilliant that it's there... making it a superb CINEMA cam for the price!
 

Village-Boi

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Let's round up the Sony goodnes by saying... yesterday (the day this thread started) they announced.... oops RELEASED about 5 new cameras...

They have gone FULL FRAME crazy (and no one saw this coming... please, please, please Sony DO continue to be the 'apple-like' innovators of the camera world, cannibalise your own products at will... you know you can't go wrong; Steve Jobs showed ya... much more grease to ya thinking faculties!! You are becoming my fav 'big-name' camera company).

This should really be damn good news for consumers... the onslaught of competition. If there is no 'response' the 'others' will easily lose over 30% to Sony... I know I'm totally brand-agnostic and don't care 'who' I buy!

The Sony NEX-VG900 - the worlds first ever full frame interchangeable lens camcorder

The Sony RX1 a sweet looking compact full frame eerrmmm 'compact'.
 

vince

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Lol! Steve Job showed Sony nothing. Sony have always been the innovators in that sector. That is why they have been the numero uno in the imaging bizness for so long.
Let's round up the Sony goodnes by saying... yesterday (the day this thread started) they announced.... oops RELEASED about 5 new cameras...

They have gone FULL FRAME crazy (and no one saw this coming... please, please, please Sony DO continue to be the 'apple-like' innovators of the camera world, cannibalise your own products at will... you know you can't go wrong; Steve Jobs showed ya... much more grease to ya thinking faculties!! You are becoming my fav 'big-name' camera company).

This should really be damn good news for consumers... the onslaught of competition. If there is no 'response' the 'others' will easily lose over 30% to Sony... I know I'm totally brand-agnostic and don't care 'who' I buy!

The Sony NEX-VG900 - the worlds first ever full frame interchangeable lens camcorder

The Sony RX1 a sweet looking compact full frame eerrmmm 'compact'.
 

Village-Boi

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Lol! Steve Job showed Sony nothing. Sony have always been the innovators in that sector. That is why they have been the numero uno in the imaging bizness for so long.
They never used to cannibalise their own stuff like crazy!! You fully well remember the protection that went into the Z1 and EX1 + 3 series lol. I lost interest in them after the EX. This is a brand new 'them'... strange and sweet lol
 

vince

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Well, that is the sign of the times. Technology is rolling on much faster than it used to do in the past, forcing them to cannibalize their higher end product line along the way. Sony will have to deal with that, i am afraid. Having said that, they are still doing some protection in that they are not opening their lower end cams to record compressed formats with higher bit rates than 28 Mbits/sec. Even if they are to open up, Sony won't do ProRes codec because they don't do Apple. And neither would they support Avid's DNxHD codec, given that those two compressed formats are very similar to their own proprietary HDCAM SR Lite in bitrate spread (highest quality@220Mbit/s to lowest quality@120Mbit/s).

All 3 compressed formats share exactly the same data speed that is far superior to AVCHD. So, what is Sony gonna do? Stick to their own proprietary format and hand over the codec to video editing vendors like Adobe, Apple and Avid, or go with the ones already out their like the Avid format, because, at that level, there is no one single standard format that all can share. Sooner rather than later, Sony will have to make a move along this line.
They never used to cannibalise their own stuff like crazy!! You fully well remember the protection that went into the Z1 and EX1 + 3 series lol. I lost interest in them after the EX. This is a brand new 'them'... strange and sweet lol
 

Village-Boi

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Having said that, they are still doing some protection in that they are not opening their lower end cams to record compressed formats with higher bit rates than 28 Mbits/sec. Even if they are to open up, Sony won't do ProRes codec because they don't do Apple...
...Sooner rather than later, Sony will have to make a move along this line.
They don't need to do either/or... Are you willing to pay at least twice the price of any of these cams? I didn't think so! As metioned many times if anyone needs a higher bit rate or ProRes let them stick on an external recorder... the solution is there. Simples!
 

vince

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I don't think the price will double, but it will be higher, of course. Sony will deffo bill the buyers for the codec and the technology but they won't double the price now the competition has really hot up.
They don't need to do either/or... Are you willing to pay at least twice the price of any of these cams?
External recorders can never beat internal recorders for portability, VB. It will never happen. And you still have to pay for these external recorders, no? And they are not exactly cheap, usually.
I didn't think so! As metioned many times if anyone needs a higher bit rate or ProRes let them stick on an external recorder... the solution is there. Simples!
 

Village-Boi

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Without even looking at both you immediately have more lens choice with the Nikon... I think there is much more camera in the Sony... but Sony DSLRs and that 'Alpha' mount... what else can you put on the camera? However, straight up Sony = 1080p 60 an OLED viewfinder, simultaneous recording to BOTH cards if you want to. There is a hell of a lot to like about the Sony.... but grrrrrrrrr that Alpha mount.
Give me a day or 2 as I have not yet watched any videos yet... just got back yesterday from some place that 'everything' online was blocked... I could read but not see. Mad day today so worst comes to worst by Sunday I fit yarn you more.
Were waiting for some stupid company called CanCopy to see if their own 'baby' FF can do 1080p 60... I bet a hundred bucks it won't... they too protect cameras that are not even o the same planet ad Hollywood has gone to their head!!
 

Village-Boi

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Yay!! Canon realease their own 'baby' Full Frame - the $2100 6D - Just kidding about the 'yay' because as is usual with the 'New' modus operandi Canon it is a load of overpriced junk... comes nowhere near the Sony or Nikon FF's. Hissssssss!!
 

Village-Boi

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I don't think the price will double, but it will be higher, of course. Sony will deffo bill the buyers for the codec and the technology but they won't double the price now the competition has really hot up.

External recorders can never beat internal recorders for portability, VB. It will never happen. And you still have to pay for these external recorders, no? And they are not exactly cheap, usually.
I completely forgot about your post... I read it on my phone and hardly ever respond from the fiddly thing.
So you don't think the price will double? You have quickly forgotten that when this very same Sony first released the F3 camera the S-log (What's that? One line of gibberish computer code??) did cost $3860 - Link. If they charge that for a nerd typing on a screen what do you think a physical module will cost?
Well you are right... the camera won't cost twice as much... it'll be quadrupled!!!


I personally wouldn't add portability of external recorders as an issue, try shooting with a VistaVision film camera lol

Kala, I nefa forget you, been busy ad still have not watched them... still prefer the Sony but...
 
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