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Those Public Schools' Claps!

Discussion in 'NEWS, BOOKS, CULTURE' started by vince, Aug 9, 2004.

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  1. kolinzo

    kolinzo Oodua4life

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    Olamaikel, I agree with you all the way. If na make it clap like sean paul(kpakpa,kpakpa,kpa, kpakpa) dey wan clap, make den do am. Their future is in their hands, not clapping.
     
  2. lady_vexy

    lady_vexy Heart that is Sweet

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    hmmm.... clapping
     
  3. vince

    vince Well-Known Member

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    I don't know,what do you think?
     
  4. vince

    vince Well-Known Member

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    You just missed the whole point of this discussion,kolinzo.
     
  5. vince

    vince Well-Known Member

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    We all love clapping because it is what we do very spontaneously to demonstrate how we feel about somebody or something.A very "human" thing and not a mechanical and robotic thing.It is a human gesture that shows that we have feelings,and that is why you enjoy it,sweetie.
    This discuss is not about whether we clap or not,it is about how we clap.
     
  6. vince

    vince Well-Known Member

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    1)I did not cleverly avoid anything because i offered valid questions which by the way,you did not answer.If there is anyone doing the dodging,it is you.
    2)Can you in truthfullness,tell me where people applaud like that?Name that occasion where you clapped in such a manner.I know you will make up an event just to stay in the arguement.
    I don't know where you are based,but where else in the rest of this world,do they clap like that?When you applaud in the movie theaters,how do you do it?When you applaud in church,gatherings,stadiums etc,how do you applaud?Or better still,how do people around you clap?I don't think i need to go on there.My point is very clear.
    3)You say there are different ways to clap?Wrong!There are just two,the "normal" way and that "local" way,period.
    Yes people do choose how they should clap,and most normal and mordern,educated folks clap the "normal" way,you know,clapping in the usual staccato fashion(just in case you do not know which "kind" of clapping i am talking about).
    4)Again you answered my question with a question which shows your trying to dodge the question,maybe due to the fact that you do not have any convincing answer.
    "What does the "normal" way of clapping do for our kids?Well,it makes them look human for one thing.It gives them the right avenue to express their emotions and feelings.Clapping is a spontaneous and eotional outburst that is mostly done out of freewill to show appreciation of someone or something.Normal people usually clap with a smile or grin on their face,you dig!
    "Does it give them a better life?".Well if it makes them feel human,look human,then it makes their life that much better.
    Why teach them to clap mechanically,without emotion,without feelings,when they are human beings,get it?
    The reference to money management is so out of context of this discussion,that i am not going to gve it a response.It is silly.
    Clapping is just clapping you say.If you are saying that clapping in any sort of way in the classroom has no relevance at all,then i am discussing with the wrong person here.Maybe our children should not applaud at all.
    I making a fuss about it because it looks ridiculous,and make our kids look mechanical,which they are not.
    Which mordern school in naija adopts such a style.The answer is none!Have you ever asked yourself why?Maybe you should.
    5)"What is the philosophy behind the normal way of clapping?"Well very simple,to accustom our young kids to the normal human behaviours,you teach them at a very young age so that they do not become confused at later age.
    Why teach our kids a certain human gesture,when the rest of the humanity is doing it a different way.Stupid,methinks!
    I wonder what the philosophy is,behind mechanical clapping.Maybe you might want to share it with us.
    6)The reason to my reference to the peadagogic thing is well explained above,so i will not repeat myself again.
    7)What is so inovative about that stupid mechanical way of clapping?My guy,get real!
    That "old age ritual form/form of clapping",as you put it,is the way everyone does it,and that includes you.So stop defending the indefensible.
    Go to a function anywhere and clap like that if you can.
    I have spoken.
    Your turn.
     
  7. lady_vexy

    lady_vexy Heart that is Sweet

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    ALL THIS JUST BECOS OF CLAPPIN' ......let da battle begin
     
  8. vince

    vince Well-Known Member

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    LOL!
     
  9. bluestocking

    bluestocking Well-Known Member

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    much ado about clapping.

    Nothing i enjoy more than a long drawn out arguement that has the tendencies of turning into a free for all,'roforofo' fight. i'll just sit back relax and enjoy the show.
    Olamichael, oya over to you.
     
  10. surf419

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    For real girl... crackin up here. :laugh:
     
  11. sweet

    sweet Enchanting Afro Princess

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    wearing uniforms and clapping like an I-Robot are two different things.I see nothing wrong in wearing uniforms. is cool to me :imp
     
  12. vince

    vince Well-Known Member

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    And don't forget to clap! :action-sm
     
  13. hafseedee

    hafseedee music lover

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    i guess most of us once we leave naija we tend to see many things wrong with it. even uneccessary things like clapping. i think clapping is good . is to show that someone is doing good or rather to improve the activeness or participation of a student in class. it also brings competition amongs them. remenber some of us didnt know any better at that time as in whether clapping is wack or stupid..but i do think is good for our skools, is somewhat among the naija skool tradition. even some skools here do it. is all good though. whatever works for the kids.
     
  14. hafseedee

    hafseedee music lover

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    thank you
     
  15. vince

    vince Well-Known Member

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    Hasfsee,the issue is not about whether clapping is good or not goo.Ofcourse clapping is a good thing,but the bone of contention here is the clapping style in these schools,which is devoid of any sort of emotion whatsoever.
    The whole thing goes beyond just the clapping thing,it is about teaching our kids the wrong things in school.
    And by the way,i hated this sort of clapping right from when i was in primary school,and i can remember that we used to make fun of schools who clap like that.So it was not until i left naija before i noticed it like you put it.
     
  16. hafseedee

    hafseedee music lover

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    what is wrong with the clapping style. i dont think it makes any diff.. clapping is clapping. which one is style again. as long as it works well for the school system it shouldnt be an issue
     
  17. vince

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    You still don't get it,hafsee.Why make kids do that "for the school system" as you put it?
    Why make them do something so mechanical,completely devoid of emotions?
    Applauding is an emotional thing,a thing of happiness and joy.That is the way you and i applaud in real life,so why not teach our kids at that impressionable age to do applaud like robots?
    Like i have said before,this is more about teaching our kids in school the wrong things.I bet they teach them more silly things that are completely irrelevant to living their normal lives.
     
  18. hafseedee

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    vince wo no killi me 4 hear. i still dont see anything worng with it. most skools or all in naija do it. aint n oth wormg with it. i guess every country or place have their own way of improving their kids inteligence. or smartness. now u said why make kids clapp right? well why not? do uhave any other way or style in which u think is more approraite for a child to clap. or do inplace of clapping?
     
  19. OlaMichael

    OlaMichael Don't Suffer Fools Gladly

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    @Vince.
    Either your sense of comprehension is very poor or you're blatantly refusing to face the music and dance. In any case, let me first say...please keep your hat on and chill. Relax. Let me help you comprehend certain points YOU raised and also help you understand MY responses to the things you raised in your previous posts.

    Firstly...in response to Lady_vexy's initial post you said and I quote as I have done in the past but u kinda missed or didn't understand it.
    I responded by saying, if clapping the way u despise is not in your words relevant and does not contribute positively to their lives, how is clapping in your own way relevant??? And I also went on to say.. regardless of which way you clap, it does not add to or remove anything from your life or experiences. And my dear, believe it or not...whichever way you clap, be it what you refer to as normal or as local, it doesn't make a difference... you are who you are. You keep bantering on about children being made into robots etc May I remind you that whilst you( perhaps as being members of an elite few) who went to private schools did not clap that way in your school,
    and whilst by your own admission you made fun of those of us who went to schools were they clapped in that fashion... None of us ever had a challenge
    either with clapping your way or the other way and we certainly are not demented, disadvantaged, disoriented or have no meaning to our lives. Cos we do have our lives together, even after clapping the local way in public schools. At least I know I do.

    I have never seen any child or adult who went to such schools who suddenly got out and got shocked that people clapped differently when they left school. The fact is, when we were in school that's how we clapped, when we were home and went to church with our parents... we clapped differently... there was no confusion...One was dicplined and orderly....the other was just the way we clapped. There was no NORMAL or ABNORMAL way as you are implying.

    You said the clapping was devoid of emotion..I am very curious to how you would know this seeing you never clapped that way and didn't go to a school where they did! Or are you psychic? I clapped that way back in school and I can certainly say I don't agree with you. When we were in classrooms....we'd clap for someone the teacher asked us to clap for and we'll do it with a lot of umph and gusto! On prize giving days we clapped differently...again no confusion. So really, I don't see what your point is.

    You say in your response that the normal way of clapping makes children look human...and by that you imply that those who clap in the manner you clap
    don't like look inhuman or look like robots. You say that like when you see these kids... what you see is a group of aliens or robots doing stuff. Well, I really wish you could see me man...cos I am as human as they come!!! And never have been otherwise. Pleasego back to your drawing board and start again.

    You said my reference to money management is so out of context.... I am kinda disappointed that u didn't get the context in which that was said...or that you just decided to take it out of context. But nonetheless I'll help you. The point I was making was....clapping your way...or what you refer to as the "local" way does not add to or make a child better either physically...
    educationally...financially or otherwise. If you realise, I asked the question in response to your saying clapping the local way is stupid, irrelevant and
    does not contribute positively. So I asked, how does your way contribute positively? Is your way what makes kids brighter, make them Financially stable, is it what makes then good parents, husbands, wives colleagues, businessmen or women or responsible when they grow up??? My point it...both ways of clapping (going from your mode of argument) contributes nothing whatsoever to a child's education. Get the context now??? Cos if you don't... I sure shouldn't even be discussing with you.

    You say which modern school in Nigeria adopts that style?? To be honest, I haven't the foggiest and I am the least concerned about what style they adopt. Whichever style they adopt is not what makes the child any better. Cos saying that you'll be saying..that you are better than those of us who went to schools were they clapped in the "local" way. And I seriously doubt that. Again I don't know which modern school in Nigeria adopts what you term as the local way...but then again..I don't know what modern school in Nigeria now...offers the same quality of education I received from the schools I went to when I was in Nigeria back then. And yet, we clapped in the so called "local" way.

    You say clapping the "Normal" way as you put it...accustoms our children to normal human behaviours... That's about the laziest and shallowest argument any one can give. So you didn't clap that way when you were in school and I did...you saying I wasn't accustomed to this so-called "normal" way of clapping??? Man...you better get with the program. That is so not correct. The truth is "CLAPPING IS CLAPPING". Whichever style you choose, it does not affect your outlook on life. At least it didn't affect the thousands
    of us "locals" who went to "local" schools who can still dig clapping one way or the other. Don't knock what you've have not tried or experienced!!! I have tried and done both..and i say..it doesn't matter whichever way you clap, it does NOT ADD TO or REMOVE ANYTHING FROM one's life!

    Remember that my taking up this point with you is not about saying clapping your own way is wrong...It's about you saying clapping in a different way from what you know and like is "Stupid, irrelevant and devoid of anything positive" That's what I have a beef with. And that's wrong. I think I have said my piece on this issue. however if you need me to explain any of the concepts I discussed above...please do holla! But please read it, assimilate it and try to comprehend it. And please don't quote me out of context.

    WHICHEVER way you clap....you express emotions and it is enjoyable. One is used in our schools (i.e. the ones you refer to as locals) to maintain order and instill some discipline... the other is just clapping without any order or togetherness...and oh by the way...There are loads of ways of clapping.
    All ways are equally effective... I have had the pleasure of clapping in both forms...and didn't have a "mechanical" experience as u put it, and I
    certainly didn't leave school ignorant or demented or whatever. You get my point???? I soooo hope u do..but even if you don't...please please
    KEEP YOUR HAT ON and don't get worked up!


    Phew!!....Now that's a long response.... Even me/myself and I know it is a loooonnnnnngggg one. Bobo Vince...we still be pally se? Anyways..I just enjoy a good debate..but please no lose focus ooo. :action-sm

    PS: That emoticon is clapping your way.... ;) lol
     
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