Tiger Woods: I have let my family down

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sidney

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Wrong again, Tiger. You need golf

Talk or play... When I say "talk" I don't mean public apologies. I mean whatever you want to say, say in person and not through your website or controlled press releases. Face it squarely, in person, with whatever you want to say.. Don't run and hide...

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By Jemele Hill
ESPN.com


This is a sucka move, Tiger.

I can't believe you're running. Can't believe you've allowed these alleged mistresses and tabloids to run you off your job.

Since your life erupted in scandal over Thanksgiving weekend, you've made a series of mistakes and miscalculations as you've tried to recover from this continuous assault on your character and family. But announcing Friday that you'll take an indefinite leave of absence from golf is, by far, your worst idea yet.

Does it really make sense for Tiger Woods to stay away from the game?

I say this not knowing for certain if the indefinite absence was your idea or your wife's, or if it came from your handlers. But unless Mrs. Woods thought this was the only way the marriage would survive, putting your golf career on hold for any length of time exposes a cowardice I never knew you possessed.

If this was a scheme concocted by your handlers, get some new people. One of the reasons you're in this mess is because your handlers helped you craft an image that wasn't really you. Swearing on the golf course is you. Throwing clubs is you. A lot of people took issue with those offensive jokes you told GQ's Charles Pierce in 1997; that was you, too. But if stepping away from golf is a calculated public relations stunt meant to generate some empathy, that means you've learned nothing from this entire ordeal.

Of course, you should have known when your alleged infidelities first became news that things could only get worse. You should have known that if you had any suspicious relationships with any women who weren't your wife, the tabloids and other media would flush them out and pad their bank accounts until all your business was in the street.

That's the game, which you obviously either didn't know or didn't care to know. Still, just because your side women are singing like Patti LaBelle, that doesn't mean you become a willing hostage. Despite the clamoring for you to come clean -- a laughable idea, because it's as if people expect you to pass out a list containing the name of every woman you've had a sexual encounter with since getting married -- the only people you owe an apology to are Mrs. Woods and your business partners.

An indefinite leave of absence doesn't solve anything. It just shows the tabloids and these alleged mistresses that they've won and you're afraid of them.

Mistresses and tabloids: 1 under.

Tiger: 5 over.

Golf isn't the problem. But it could be the answer. Certainly a lot of people are fascinated and disappointed by your train wreck of a personal life, but most people want to see you back on the golf course, competing in -- and winning -- tournaments.

If you play, and especially if you win, it will remind people why they were drawn to you in the first place. It wasn't your wooden acting in those Gillette commercials that made you must-see TV; it was chasing down Jack Nicklaus' record and winning the Masters at 21.

I know some of my media brethren are pretending you patented creepin', but a lot of people in this country can identify with your situation. They've had marital issues as a result of infidelity, too. Granted, most of them probably weren't as Wilt Chamberlain-esque as you, but the point is, there's a reason "Cheaters" has lasted 10 seasons.

People have greatly underestimated the public's common sense and vastly overstated their disappointment in what you've done. According to a recent Marist poll, seven out of 10 people think you should deal with your personal crisis privately. Also, an astounding 91 percent of people Marist surveyed said your infidelities wouldn't cause them to not buy the products you push. In other words, people don't care if you cheated; they just want your Dri-FIT shirts to do the job.

The public cares more about Tiger's golf than his endorsements. So should he.

You're a cheater and a bad husband, not a serial killer. And if I were you, I would just take these body blows to my image, ignore the golfers who have criticized me (but who have bigger bank accounts because of me), try to salvage my family in the most private way possible -- assuming that's what you want -- and return to the golf course with a chip on my shoulder the size of this continent.

The best revenge is success.

If I'm you, the minute a reporter asks me to comment about my personal life, I go Drew Rosenhaus and say (tersely), "Next question." I make it clear that we're only talking 9-irons, not nine blondes. I show them Tiger Woods ain't no punk.

In other words, stop acting like a prisoner and behave more like a man who is truly ready to face his problems. Act like you're the face of golf. Own this and move on -- and give less than a care if some people don't move on with you.

Use this situation to your advantage. Your buddy Michael Jordan used any slight, no matter how small, to drive him. And this personal failing and the fallout from it should motivate you for the next decade. The season Kobe Bryant was accused of rape, he averaged 24 points and played in all 82 of the Lakers' games, even though he could have been sent to prison. His rape case -- which was eventually dismissed -- cost him endorsements and public approval, but he regained all of that, mostly because of his brilliance on the basketball court. If he can do it, you can do it.

Besides, the tabloids could have a new woman claiming she slept with you every day from now 'til next June and it wouldn't change a thing. At this point, the American public gets it: You're a golfer worth a billion dollars and you were a cad. The people who disapprove of you because of that will still disapprove of you even if you save a child from a burning building tomorrow. And the people who love you are going to love you regardless.

So don't bother seeking approval through carefully written public statements. Shrug off the idea that you should have some "Come to Jesus" news conference or do a sit-down interview to explain yourself. You wouldn't tell the public the whole truth anyway; and once again, the tabloids would have the upper hand.

This scandal might have momentarily stolen your dignity. Don't let it take your peace of mind.

Tiger Woods is wrong to take an indefinite leave from the PGA Tour. - ESPN
 
This whole charade leaves a bad taste in my mouth....

Why cant they leave this poor man alone?...If it was announced that Tiger had broken a world record, I seriously doubt that it would garner this much attention...Why are people so intrigued by sensationalism and bad news?....It doesnt speak well of the world we live in today...Sometimes it seems like people are almost jolly to see other people do badly...It amazes me that this is making headlines, when there are stories like that of kids at a school lighting a fellow schoolmate on fire, and people will much rather focus on what Tiger did in his spare time....Na wa o!

If he says he wants to keep playing; some will say he feels no remorse, now he says he doesnt want to play for a while, oh he is a coward, either way he will be tortured....e no good oh!

I think having amazing talent or being extremely gifted at something is revered because almost always it brings fame and fortune; but the downside is, you become a major target....makes you wonder if it's worth it afterall....Like "Adrian Monk" will always say "Its a gift and a curse"...
 

sidney

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This whole charade leaves a bad taste in my mouth....

Why cant they leave this poor man alone?...If it was announced that Tiger had broken a world record, I seriously doubt that it would garner this much attention...Why are people so intrigued by sensationalism and bad news?....It doesnt speak well of the world we live in today...Sometimes it seems like people are almost jolly to see other people do badly...It amazes me that this is making headlines, when there are stories like that of kids at a school lighting a fellow schoolmate on fire, and people will much rather focus on what Tiger did in his spare time....Na wa o!

If he says he wants to keep playing; some will say he feels no remorse, now he says he doesnt want to play for a while, oh he is a coward, either way he will be tortured....e no good oh!

I think having amazing talent or being extremely gifted at something is revered because almost always it brings fame and fortune; but the downside is, you become a major target....makes you wonder if it's worth it afterall....Like "Adrian Monk" will always say "Its a gift and a curse"...
There is always a better more important news story. Always. That argument could be used for every single news story ever written.. So, while you are right, there are more important news stories, unfortunately that can be said even for the stories you think are more important.

However, I didn't hear the same argument when Oprah moving to cable made headline news (not from you in particular, just in general).. Not a peep about how frivolous that news story was. The same stories you mentioned were there, but they didn't make headlines. Oprah did..

Now, the first ever great black golfer and possibly the greatest golfer in the history of golf, decides not to play, and that should not be news? Wow.... Suppose none of this infidelity was known and he decided to quit golf for reasons unknown, would it not be news? I think it would, regardless of the cause of the leave.

Well this topic is clearly a subjective one. Everyone has their own interpretation of what is newsworthy....
 
There is always a better more important news story. Always. That argument could be used for every single news story ever written.. So, while you are right, there are more important news stories, unfortunately that can be said even for the stories you think are more important.

However, I didn't hear the same argument when Oprah moving to cable made headline news.. Not a peep about how frivolous that news story was. The same stories you mentioned were there, but they didn't make headlines. Oprah did..

Now, the first ever great black golfer and possibly the greatest golfer in the history of golf, decides not to play, and that should not be news? Wow.... Suppose none of this infidelity was known and he decided to quit golf for reasons unknown, would it not be news? I think it would, regardless of the cause of the leave.

Well this topic is clearly a subjective one. Everyone has their own interpretation of what is newsworthy....
We all know quite well, that the main news here is not the fact that he is quitting....it is his burgeoning (I use that word cos the women count keeps increasing daily) infidelity that is the main news....Tiger quitting is only a product of the bigger issue...He woulda stayed in the news anyways if he decided to quit or not....I am not even really bothered that it made headlines; woulda been surprised if it didnt, I am perplexed that it is staying headline news....

Anything can make headline news; nobody can control that...My only concern is when it is bad news...it becomes a raving sensation. I do agree that this is a subjective issue, personally, I dont entertain that kind of media; whoever chooses to; na their prerogative.
 

sidney

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This whole charade leaves a bad taste in my mouth....

Why cant they leave this poor man alone?...If it was announced that Tiger had broken a world record, I seriously doubt that it would garner this much attention...Why are people so intrigued by sensationalism and bad news?....It doesnt speak well of the world we live in today...Sometimes it seems like people are almost jolly to see other people do badly...It amazes me that this is making headlines, when there are stories like that of kids at a school lighting a fellow schoolmate on fire, and people will much rather focus on what Tiger did in his spare time....Na wa o!

If he says he wants to keep playing; some will say he feels no remorse, now he says he doesnt want to play for a while, oh he is a coward, either way he will be tortured....e no good oh!

I think having amazing talent or being extremely gifted at something is revered because almost always it brings fame and fortune; but the downside is, you become a major target....makes you wonder if it's worth it afterall....Like "Adrian Monk" will always say "Its a gift and a curse"...
SNL agrees with you!

SNL Mocks Media For Ignoring Political Affairs While Reveling In Tiger's

:D
 

sidney

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We all know quite well, that the main news here is not the fact that he is quitting....it is his burgeoning (I use that word cos the women count keeps increasing daily) infidelity that is the main news....Tiger quitting is only a product of the bigger issue...He woulda stayed in the news anyways if he decided to quit or not....I am not even saying it shouldnt have made headlines, I am perplexed that it is staying headline news....

Anything can make headline news; nobody can control that...My only concern is when it is bad news...it becomes a raving sensation. I do agree that this is a subjective issue, personally, I dont entertain that kind of media; whoever chooses to; na their prerogative.
I agree...

ESPN stopped covering Tiger after the second day. That is the main channel I watch. They didn't mention him or the many women coming out. They killed the story. However he is back in their headlines by leaving. That is sports news. And it will be as the PGA ratings decline as his mistresses increase.
 

nike007

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I think that candy makes a valid point..... The reason why tiger woods is taking a leave from golf is because of the events of the past week and i doubt that if the past weeks had gone differently he would still be playing....Both his wife and the game....The fact that the american media chooses to sentimentalize this news, just goes to prove the fact that they are the most entertained and least informed people in the world.....If CNN can stoop so low to the level of covering this news, it just goes to show as candy said the kind of world we live in today....

Now, the first ever great black golfer and possibly the greatest golfer in the history of golf, decides not to play, and that should not be news? Wow.... Suppose none of this infidelity was known and he decided to quit golf for reasons unknown, would it not be news? I think it would, regardless of the cause of the leave.

Now we cannot suppose because what happened has happened.....If tiger quit golf without his infidelity, it would be news for like 3 days tops!!..... We cant just brush aside the fact that his decision is tied closely to his infidelity!!!....... The fact that this is even news at all is because the prying eyes of the media are on him...waiting for something to happen..... BECAUSE OF HIS INFIDELITY!!!
 

sidney

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I think that candy makes a valid point..... The reason why tiger woods is taking a leave from golf is because of the events of the past week and i doubt that if the past weeks had gone differently he would still be playing....Both his wife and the game....The fact that the american media chooses to sentimentalize this news, just goes to prove the fact that they are the most entertained and least informed people in the world.....If CNN can stoop so low to the level of covering this news, it just goes to show as candy said the kind of world we live in today....

Now, the first ever great black golfer and possibly the greatest golfer in the history of golf, decides not to play, and that should not be news? Wow.... Suppose none of this infidelity was known and he decided to quit golf for reasons unknown, would it not be news? I think it would, regardless of the cause of the leave.

Now we cannot suppose because what happened has happened.....If tiger quit golf without his infidelity, it would be news for like 3 days tops!!..... We cant just brush aside the fact that his decision is tied closely to his infidelity!!!....... The fact that this is even news at all is because the prying eyes of the media are on him...waiting for something to happen..... BECAUSE OF HIS INFIDELITY!!!
From my perspective, especially as a sports and ESPN fan, the coverage would have even been more! The only difference is that it would have started today and not 17 days ago..

Read my post to Candy. ESPN killed the Tiger story in the second day once it was no longer a "sports" story. But brought it back recently.. Now if he had left for reasons unknown, a-la Jordan in his first retirement, he would be on the cover of ESPN the magazine, Sport Illustrated, etc. ESPN would run week long tributes to him and have month long investigations as to why he left. This is not happening, because of exactly what you mentioned... They know why...

So from my perspective, he would be news no matter what. He is Tiger Woods. I don't watch E! or Entertainment Tonight. I watch ESPN and every sport imaginable. And as a Tiger Wood fans, who followed his career when he was an amateur in college, this is a story! Not the infidelity or how many women, but the way he has handled it.
 

sidney

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I think that candy makes a valid point..... The reason why tiger woods is taking a leave from golf is because of the events of the past week and i doubt that if the past weeks had gone differently he would still be playing....Both his wife and the game....The fact that the american media chooses to sentimentalize this news, just goes to prove the fact that they are the most entertained and least informed people in the world.....If CNN can stoop so low to the level of covering this news, it just goes to show as candy said the kind of world we live in today....

Now, the first ever great black golfer and possibly the greatest golfer in the history of golf, decides not to play, and that should not be news? Wow.... Suppose none of this infidelity was known and he decided to quit golf for reasons unknown, would it not be news? I think it would, regardless of the cause of the leave.

Now we cannot suppose because what happened has happened.....If tiger quit golf without his infidelity, it would be news for like 3 days tops!!..... We cant just brush aside the fact that his decision is tied closely to his infidelity!!!....... The fact that this is even news at all is because the prying eyes of the media are on him...waiting for something to happen..... BECAUSE OF HIS INFIDELITY!!!
Again, I didn't hear this type of outrage when Oprah's move to cable was covered in the mainstream news, as headline news for 2 days!! Not a peep.... Top of the news headlines for the most irrelevant piece of information to me. Especially since her show will still be on, but just on another channel...
 
I agree...

ESPN stopped covering Tiger after the second day. That is the main channel I watch. They didn't mention him or the many women coming out. They killed the story. However he is back in their headlines by leaving. That is sports news. And it will be as the PGA ratings decline as his mistresses increase.
@ highlighted, he should be...because Tiger leaving is a huge loss to the sport of Golf (biko, is that really a sport sef :roll). ESPN is a sports channel, so that is a sports story they should very well cover.

I bet you, you can take this to the street and ask people about the proposed healthcare reform and what it entails; I bet you will get so many blank stares, but just kuku ask them about El Tigre; dem go know the whole tori, down to who the women are, their original hair color, their date of birth, which street dem they live, which walmart dem dey buy milk; and the exact kind of milk.....:roll
 

sidney

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@ highlighted, he should be...because Tiger leaving is a huge loss to the sport of Golf (biko, is that really a sport sef :roll). ESPN is a sports channel, so that is a sports story they should very well cover.

I bet you, you can take this to the street and ask people about the proposed healthcare reform and what it entails; I bet you will get so many blank stares, but just kuku ask them about El Tigre; dem go know the whole tori, down to who the women are, their original hair color, their date of birth, which street dem they live, which walmart dem dey buy milk; and the exact kind of milk.....:roll
My sista this is the real issue!! :laugh:

But we all know Americans are dum-dums. They know the McDonald's commercial jingle before the national anthem...
 

truforia

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It applies to celebrity...
Why do I sense an undercurrent of profanity laced rebuttals approaching? :whacky034

I'm probably just as passionate about Tiger as you are, but let's separate logic from emotion. Professional sports is big business with a capital B, coupled with a pro athlete with a notorious penchant for penny-pinching, and what do you get? In this case Tiger Woods, who isn't much different than other great athletes who excelled in "their" sport. It just happens to be that Tiger is of a different skin color, so technically it isn't anything new or different, other than bringing awareness to the sport to those who never took interest in it. If I recall, Tiger himself once denied being Black or African-American.

That being said, I think Tiger sees things differently than you and me. Yes, JR broke new ground in pro baseball, but if you know history well, he's also considered a sellout by many (me included). Although, there isn't necessarily anything wrong with being a sellout of a certain kind, depending on the price that was paid. When Black athletes like Robinson and Johnson broke down "walls" in "their" sports, they paid a price that no one paid first so that others like Derek Jeter and Mike Tyson would pay less of later. So to compare Bryant and Vick with Tiger's situation is gelastic at best, seeing the rules do not apply and are different; Kobe and Vick are not "one-of-a-kinds" or "firsts" within "their" sport. Tiger's situation is distinct because of the unique racial and financial politics involved, so he most tread softly and not be rash to action, seeing how the shit has already hit the fan.

In the end, I think Tiger sees things entirely different than me, you or anyone else..I hope he gets his shit together though!
 

sidney

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Why do I sense an undercurrent of profanity laced rebuttals approaching? :whacky034

I'm probably just as passionate about Tiger as you are, but let's separate logic from emotion. Professional sports is big business with a capital B, coupled with a pro athlete with a notorious penchant for penny-pinching, and what do you get? In this case Tiger Woods, who isn't much different than other great athletes who excelled in "their" sport. It just happens to be that Tiger is of a different skin color, so technically it isn't anything new or different, other than bringing awareness to the sport to those who never took interest in it. If I recall, Tiger himself once denied being Black or African-American.

That being said, I think Tiger sees things differently than you and me. Yes, JR broke new ground in pro baseball, but if you know history well, he's also considered a sellout by many (me included). Although, there isn't necessarily anything wrong with being a sellout of a certain kind, depending on the price that was paid. When Black athletes like Robinson and Johnson broke down "walls" in "their" sports, they paid a price that no one paid first so that others like Derek Jeter and Mike Tyson would pay less of later. So to compare Bryant and Vick with Tiger's situation is gelastic at best, seeing the rules do not apply and are different; Kobe and Vick are not "one-of-a-kinds" or "firsts" within "their" sport. Tiger's situation is distinct because of the unique racial and financial politics involved, so he most tread softly and not be rash to action, seeing how the shit has already hit the fan.

In the end, I think Tiger sees things entirely different than me, you or anyone else..I hope he gets his shit together though!
Tru, are we reading the same posts? lol.. Goodness.. I would suggest you read my post devoid of any emotions you might be projecting toward them.

However, this statement alone is the source of our disagreement. This is an assumption I disagree with. So subsequently your argument fails, for me, as your assumptive premise is wrong, in my opinion. To me, this is like saying Jackie Robinson was just like any other baseball player, just that he was black. Which sadly, you actually alluded to call him a "sellout". A disappointing comment to hear from you, to say the least.

So any discussion we might have would be fruitless, as we differ on this fundamental point.
 

truforia

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What is the definition of truth? Would Tiger be "Tiger Woods" if he was White?? NO! To suggest that Tiger is great because he is Black is bias, racist and bordering on Black supremacy. Tiger is great because he is great. Race has nothing to with it but the politics of awareness involved. And I see you know not your full history on Jackie R. You can forgive (condone) TW for being a horndoggy (acceptable??), but JR a sellout.."OH NOOO!" Come on Siddo, why the double standard? I didn't say I hated Jackie or not greatly respect him and his achievements, but which great athletes (Black or White) of the past or present can escape being human even in the midst of all their glories? Hmmm..
 

sidney

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What is the definition of truth? Would Tiger be "Tiger Woods" if he was White?? NO! To suggest that Tiger is great because he is Black is bias, racist and bordering on Black supremacy. Tiger is great because he is great. Race has nothing to with it but the politics of awareness involved. And I see you know not your full history on Jackie R. You can forgive (condone) TW for being a horndoggy (acceptable??), but JR a sellout.."OH NOOO!" Come on Siddo, why the double standard? I didn't say I hated Jackie or not greatly respect him and his achievements, but which great athletes (Black or White) of the past or present can escape being human even in the midst of all their glories? Hmmm..
I am not sure what you are discussing here... I never used the word "hate" or "truth".... What posts are you reading? This is a very confusing post you wrote here... I will make one final attempt to address you on this subject.

Sadly, just because I disagree with your assessment that Jackie Robinson was a sellout, does not mean I don't know the history. Quite the contrary. Not only do I know the full history of the circumstances surrounding Branch Ricky "picking" Robinson to be the first negro in the major leagues, I also know the history of the negro leagues who had many, many better players than Robinson at the time... It is because I do know the history, is the exact reason I don't agree with the sellout assessment, and take issue with those that feel that way, back then and now.

However it is you that is speaking from both sides of the argument. You mentioned race

A sport dominated by white players and "white-dollar" endorsements.
Additionally in another post interestingly you mention that he is no different from any other athlete. Then proceed to state that he is not like Kobe or Vick because of race...
In this case Tiger Woods, who isn't much different than other great athletes who excelled in "their" sport. It just happens to be that Tiger is of a different skin color, so technically it isn't anything new or different, other than bringing awareness to the sport to those who never took interest in it. If I recall, Tiger himself once denied being Black or African-American.

So to compare Bryant and Vick with Tiger's situation is gelastic at best, seeing the rules do not apply and are different; Kobe and Vick are not "one-of-a-kinds" or "firsts" within "their" sport. Tiger's situation is distinct because of the unique racial and financial politics involved, so he most tread softly and not be rash to action, seeing how the shit has already hit the fan.
All while introducing race into the argument.

Tru, we are wasting our lives speaking to each other on this issue. I disagree with your premises and arguments. You have a right to them and I have a right to look upon them unfavorably and those that see it such..

Facts that neither of which changes the price of rice in China...
 

truforia

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First off, I apologize for my tone Siddo. As you may know it can be quite difficult to communicate effectively online at times. And I must applaud you, there was not a hint of profanity in any of your posts. (not to sound condescending) :fing24:

I think a key to any healthy debate is to find a common ground somewhere on things two or more people can agree on mutually. You're right, I did mention race, which can cause a contradiction in my argument; as I became aware of this after logging off earlier. But I used race in the context as it applies "against" Tiger, and not "to" him as it applies to the prerequisites of being a physical athlete.

One thing I must point out Sid, is that this is the second time you said I called Tiger average, so I have to refer my previous post(s) you quoted.

In this case Tiger Woods, who isn't much different than other great athletes who excelled in "their" sport.
To suggest that Tiger is great because he is Black is bias, racist and bordering on Black supremacy. Tiger is great because he is great. I didn't say I hated Jackie or not greatly respect him and his achievements, but which great athletes (Black or White) of the past or present can escape being human even in the midst of all their glories? Hmmm..
Sid you're a passionate dude, and I admire and respect that about you! :sign0128:
 

sidney

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First off, I apologize for my tone Siddo. As you may know it can be quite difficult to communicate effectively online at times. And I must applaud you, there was not a hint of profanity in any of your posts. (not to sound condescending) :fing24:

I think a key to any healthy debate is to find a common ground somewhere on things two or more people can agree on mutually. You're right, I did mention race, which can cause a contradiction in my argument; as I became aware of this after logging off earlier. But I used race in the context as it applies "against" Tiger, and not "to" him as it applies to the prerequisites of being a physical athlete.

One thing I must point out Sid, is that this is the second time you said I called Tiger average, so I have to refer my previous post(s) you quoted.





Sid you're a passionate dude, and I admire and respect that about you! :sign0128:
Your points are duly noted! Right back at cha Tru!
 

nike007

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Nawa...ooo...how dis guy managed to swing these ladies....it gives women a bad name...that you will sleep with another persons husband and come out publicly.....for naija...somebody for loss tey tey
 
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