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goseiant

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It is rather unfortunate that he had to die. Two wrongs don't make a right, but some people still believe that when you give people a dose of their own medication, then justice is served. I totally disagree!!! I can't make everybody think the way I do that vengeance is the Lord's and that to "err is human" but to forgive is divine", but it's my fervent prayer that the world will learn to forgive. He did something wrong by starting the gang, but are we sure if he actually committed those murders? And even if he did, leaving him in jail for the rest of his life is even more painful. He has already spent 26yrs of his life on death-row - how worst can it get?

Anyway, may his soul rest in peace!!!
 
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samira

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Stanley “Tookie” Williams was executed early in the morning for multiple murders he was convicted of committing in 1981. While on death row, Tookie wrote not less than 8 children’s books and diligently engaged in activities aimed at steering inner city kids away from gangs and trouble. For this and the fact that the death penalty itself is a demeaning and reprehensible punishment, which no one who places a high value on the lives of a human being should countenance, all of us should protest his execution.

Statistics upon statistics have made it abundantly clear that black defendants in death penalty cases are more likely than whites to be convicted in the United States. The scales of justice are heavily weighted against a person of color. Witnesses are easily coerced or suborned; and evidence are tampered with. The blacker the face, the greater the likelihood that he’ll be given a bum’s rush to an unfavorable judgment by prosecutors, judges and juries who need quick results to appease a restive white citizenry to whom the black man has increasingly become the personification of evil.

The State of California may well have executed an innocent man and we should all be outraged by it. Having said that, in Tookies’ case, black folks may be unconsciously and inexorably conferring sainthood on an individual who doesn’t deserve it for any reason. Stanley Williams has a horrific and pernicious past whose ramifications continue to impact inner city life negatively till today. He founded the notorious Crips gang of Los Angeles. Within 5 years this marauding band of homicidal youths has replicated itself across the United States, dealing in drugs, dangerous weapons and terrorizing inner cities of almost every metropolis.

The number of school-kids they shot dead just for wearing clothing with colors that might’ve coincidentally resembled those of choice of opposing gangs is unbelievable. The number of innocent bystanders who were caught in the crossfire as this gang and others traded gunshots and drive-by shooting is daunting. The victims were predominantly black, especially those without the wherewithal to escape the inner city and go to the relative safety of the suburbs.

If black folks need heroes, they have countless number of lifers and others on death row. Activists like Imam Jamil Abdulla (H. Rap Brown), Mumia Abu Jamal and other black men are awaiting death, as a result of the FBI’s COINTELPRO program which expressly targeted black activists during the 1960’s and 70’s. Rap Brown, for example, was a leader in the voters’ registration exercise. He braved death to make black citizens’ right to vote in the South a reality; something any Albanian immigrant to the US considered to be his by default. Our heroes are not the Mike Tyson’s, the Tupac Shakur’s, the Biggie Small’s and other foul-mouthed, violence-prone convicted felons who glorify violence and misogyny, and denigrate scholarship, decency and family values.

If we make heroes of (or canonize) those who terrorize us, just because they happen to be black like us, we risk being perceived as playing the same identity politics, which we justifiably accuse white folks of.

-OOT
 
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samira

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samira said:
Stanley “Tookie” Williams was executed early in the morning for multiple murders he was convicted of committing in 1981. While on death row, Tookie wrote not less than 8 children’s books and diligently engaged in activities aimed at steering inner city kids away from gangs and trouble. For this and the fact that the death penalty itself is a demeaning and reprehensible punishment, which no one who places a high value on the lives of a human being should countenance, all of us should protest his execution.

Statistics upon statistics have made it abundantly clear that black defendants in death penalty cases are more likely than whites to be convicted in the United States. The scales of justice are heavily weighted against a person of color. Witnesses are easily coerced or suborned; and evidence are tampered with. The blacker the face, the greater the likelihood that he’ll be given a bum’s rush to an unfavorable judgment by prosecutors, judges and juries who need quick results to appease a restive white citizenry to whom the black man has increasingly become the personification of evil.

The State of California may well have executed an innocent man and we should all be outraged by it. Having said that, in Tookies’ case, black folks may be unconsciously and inexorably conferring sainthood on an individual who doesn’t deserve it for any reason. Stanley Williams has a horrific and pernicious past whose ramifications continue to impact inner city life negatively till today. He founded the notorious Crips gang of Los Angeles. Within 5 years this marauding band of homicidal youths has replicated itself across the United States, dealing in drugs, dangerous weapons and terrorizing inner cities of almost every metropolis.

The number of school-kids they shot dead just for wearing clothing with colors that might’ve coincidentally resembled those of choice of opposing gangs is unbelievable. The number of innocent bystanders who were caught in the crossfire as this gang and others traded gunshots and drive-by shooting is daunting. The victims were predominantly black, especially those without the wherewithal to escape the inner city and go to the relative safety of the suburbs.

If black folks need heroes, they have countless number of lifers and others on death row. Activists like Imam Jamil Abdulla (H. Rap Brown), Mumia Abu Jamal and other black men are awaiting death, as a result of the FBI’s COINTELPRO program which expressly targeted black activists during the 1960’s and 70’s. Rap Brown, for example, was a leader in the voters’ registration exercise. He braved death to make black citizens’ right to vote in the South a reality; something any Albanian immigrant to the US considered to be his by default. Our heroes are not the Mike Tyson’s, the Tupac Shakur’s, the Biggie Small’s and other foul-mouthed, violence-prone convicted felons who glorify violence and misogyny, and denigrate scholarship, decency and family values.

If we make heroes of (or canonize) those who terrorize us, just because they happen to be black like us, we risk being perceived as playing the same identity politics, which we justifiably accuse white folks of.

-OOT
The REAL heroes are the ORDINARY people who NEVER made these nasty choices in the first place.

Why not acknowledge THEM for a change?

It takes a REAL HERO to lead a clean life, to work hard and provide for a family, to bring children into the world and accept responsibility for them, to shun Crime and Drugs.

You don't have to far to look to find REAL Black Heroes - they are all around you.
 

kaymax

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samira said:
Stanley “Tookie” Williams was executed early in the morning for multiple murders he was convicted of committing in 1981. While on death row, Tookie wrote not less than 8 children’s books and diligently engaged in activities aimed at steering inner city kids away from gangs and trouble. For this and the fact that the death penalty itself is a demeaning and reprehensible punishment, which no one who places a high value on the lives of a human being should countenance, all of us should protest his execution.

Statistics upon statistics have made it abundantly clear that black defendants in death penalty cases are more likely than whites to be convicted in the United States. The scales of justice are heavily weighted against a person of color. Witnesses are easily coerced or suborned; and evidence are tampered with. The blacker the face, the greater the likelihood that he’ll be given a bum’s rush to an unfavorable judgment by prosecutors, judges and juries who need quick results to appease a restive white citizenry to whom the black man has increasingly become the personification of evil.

The State of California may well have executed an innocent man and we should all be outraged by it. Having said that, in Tookies’ case, black folks may be unconsciously and inexorably conferring sainthood on an individual who doesn’t deserve it for any reason. Stanley Williams has a horrific and pernicious past whose ramifications continue to impact inner city life negatively till today. He founded the notorious Crips gang of Los Angeles. Within 5 years this marauding band of homicidal youths has replicated itself across the United States, dealing in drugs, dangerous weapons and terrorizing inner cities of almost every metropolis.

The number of school-kids they shot dead just for wearing clothing with colors that might’ve coincidentally resembled those of choice of opposing gangs is unbelievable. The number of innocent bystanders who were caught in the crossfire as this gang and others traded gunshots and drive-by shooting is daunting. The victims were predominantly black, especially those without the wherewithal to escape the inner city and go to the relative safety of the suburbs.

If black folks need heroes, they have countless number of lifers and others on death row. Activists like Imam Jamil Abdulla (H. Rap Brown), Mumia Abu Jamal and other black men are awaiting death, as a result of the FBI’s COINTELPRO program which expressly targeted black activists during the 1960’s and 70’s. Rap Brown, for example, was a leader in the voters’ registration exercise. He braved death to make black citizens’ right to vote in the South a reality; something any Albanian immigrant to the US considered to be his by default. Our heroes are not the Mike Tyson’s, the Tupac Shakur’s, the Biggie Small’s and other foul-mouthed, violence-prone convicted felons who glorify violence and misogyny, and denigrate scholarship, decency and family values.

If we make heroes of (or canonize) those who terrorize us, just because they happen to be black like us, we risk being perceived as playing the same identity politics, which we justifiably accuse white folks of.

-OOT

Good write-up, who's the source?
 
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samira

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kaymax said:
Good write-up, who's the source?
His initials are OOT. He is a friend of mine. I will send you the link to his post..cypm soon...got to go...my brother is coming over. goodnight. smooches.
 

Obariba

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....does anyone remember the verse in the bible where the people yelled "crucify him ,crucify him,crucify that man" !!
Im glad that even on the cross that the lord Jesus said father forgive them for they know not what they do !!
Is there a verse in the bible where it says when I was thirsty u gave me to eat, when I was in prison you visited me ....I know its in the bible.


It is again as usual double standards....and the same persons will reproduce paragraphs of love in several threads...but at the end we see that "out of the abundaance of the heart the mouth speaketh" !!

Someone here even loved the process so much they cut and pasted the step by step execution process !! The thought of even putting an animal through that process makes me nautious !!But opnions are like yansh holes and every m..f..er has one !!!
 

kaymax

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Obariba said:
....does anyone remember the verse in the bible where the people yelled "crucify him ,crucify him,crucify that man" !!
Im glad that even on the cross that the lord Jesus said father forgive them for they know not what they do !!
Is there a verse in the bible where it says when I was thirsty u gave me to eat, when I was in prison you visited me ....I know its in the bible.


It is again as usual double standards....and the same persons will reproduce paragraphs of love in several threads...but at the end we see that "out of the abundaance of the heart the mouth speaketh" !!

Someone here even loved the process so much they cut and pasted the step by step execution process !! The thought of even putting an animal through that process makes me nautious !!But opnions are like yansh holes and every m..f..er has one !!!

OB, we're talking about THE Law here, NOT the bible. No one is saying that he's not a changed man, but the law is designed to punish the offenders. So what do you propose, free everyone that claims they've changed on death row? I think that comparing Tookie to Jesus, at best, is blasphemy. The only gang He ever founded was his 'disciples'.

At the bolded: what's the relevance of that verse? He got visitors and ate well, and even had better gym equipment than what you and I pay a hansome mebership for. did you see the size on that guy? BTW, one can have love for mankind and still favor capital punishement. It's the love we have for mankind that makes us punish folks like Tookie who have so little disregard for it. Should you want to quote the bible, then you should make mention that it's only in the act of confessing your sins that we find true forgiveness from the Lord. At no time has he even attempted to make ammends with the victims' families, he has not even admitted his crimes.
 

gogetter

Liya kebede...gorgeous
Obariba said:
....does anyone remember the verse in the bible where the people yelled "crucify him ,crucify him,crucify that man" !!
Im glad that even on the cross that the lord Jesus said father forgive them for they know not what they do !!
Is there a verse in the bible where it says when I was thirsty u gave me to eat, when I was in prison you visited me ....I know its in the bible.


It is again as usual double standards....and the same persons will reproduce paragraphs of love in several threads...but at the end we see that "out of the abundaance of the heart the mouth speaketh" !!

Someone here even loved the process so much they cut and pasted the step by step execution process !! The thought of even putting an animal through that process makes me nautious !!But opnions are like yansh holes and every m..f..er has one !!!
Y'all need to stop talking like u know the whole story. I dont either but i know he who kills on purpose deserves to die...No if's ands or buts abt it. I dont get the point of this post. In the same Bible..it says He who kills shud be Killed...but if we wanna argue that christ has paid for his sins...when...at least, he got a chance to decide where he wants to spend Eternity.
 

kaymax

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gogetter said:
Y'all need to stop talking like u know the whole story. I dont either but i know he who kills on purpose deserves to die...No if's ands or buts abt it. I dont get the point of this post. In the same Bible..it says He who kills shud be Killed...but if we wanna argue that christ has paid for his sins...when...at least, he got a chance to decide where he wants to spend Eternity.
Tru dat!! His good works will not go unnoticed by the Almighty!!
 

Obariba

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kaymax said:
OB, we're talking about THE Law here, NOT the bible. No one is saying that he's not a changed man, but the law is designed to punish the offenders. So what do you propose, free everyone that claims they've changed on death row? I think that comparing Tookie to Jesus, at best, is blasphemy. The only gang He ever founded was his 'disciples'.

At the bolded: what's the relevance of that verse? He got visitors and ate well, and even had better gym equipment than what you and I pay a hansome mebership for. did you see the size on that guy? BTW, one can have love for mankind and still favor capital punishement. It's the love we have for mankind that makes us punish folks like Tookie who have so little disregard for it. Should you want to quote the bible, then you should make mention that it's only in the act of confessing your sins that we find true forgiveness from the Lord. At no time has he even attempted to make ammends with the victims' families, he has not even admitted his crimes.
I dont f..ing care whether he was changed !!.
Where you there when he committed the crime ???
I am asking you ...where you there ???
But u come on this thread and demand his execution !! There are more humane ways to punish an offender but killing him off is not going to teach him a lesson...one of the biggest preachers of our time just died in a very painful manner via aircrash !!!! Even if he was a pagan bigotist..we as human beings need to find ways to punish offenders without exterminating them. This is the 21st f..king century...we might as well go back to the days of old and chop peoples heads of or burn witches at the stake !!

or lets all campaign that women can abort a 8 and half month fetus just becos she can !!!
Whether he had a lovely 20yrs behind bars does not justify the death penalty. If I mentioned Christian verses its bcos I thought Xtians on this thread will reflect on them...but ofcourse majority on this thread are Al Quida operatives rejoicing at the death of another American...
 

gogetter

Liya kebede...gorgeous
Obariba said:
I dont f..ing care whether he was changed !!.
Where you there when he committed the crime ???
I am asking you ...where you there ???
But u come on this thread and demand his execution !! There are more humane ways to punish an offender but killing him off is not going to teach him a lesson...one of the biggest preachers of our time just died in a very painful manner via aircrash !!!! Even if he was a pagan bigotist..we as human beings need to find ways to punish offenders without exterminating them. This is the 21st ******* century...we might as well go back to the days of old and chop peoples heads of or burn witches at the stake !!

or lets all campaign that women can abort a 8 and half month fetus just becos she can !!!
What is this?? There are many ways to give ur opinion rather than be insultive. What crap!!
 

kaymax

Well-Known Member
Obariba said:
I dont f..ing care whether he was changed !!.
Where you there when he committed the crime ???
I am asking you ...where you there ???
But u come on this thread and demand his execution !! There are more humane ways to punish an offender but killing him off is not going to teach him a lesson...one of the biggest preachers of our time just died in a very painful manner via aircrash !!!! Even if he was a pagan bigotist..we as human beings need to find ways to punish offenders without exterminating them. This is the 21st ******* century...we might as well go back to the days of old and chop peoples heads of or burn witches at the stake !!

or lets all campaign that women can abort a 8 and half month fetus just becos she can !!!

Then lead a crusade!!! So I guess for every crime commited, I HAVE to be there!! that's why we have brains to examine the facts presented and look at the individual and make our own decisions based on the observations. the law is the law, you don't like it, protest. Why weren't you there last night protesting? BTW, no need to curse at me, we're just sharing opinions here, no need to take anything personal!!! chill gurl!!!
 

Obariba

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Too many men have been exhonerated on Death Row !!! That is reason enough to stop the death penalty ...its not even about Christian values any more !! But hey if it makes you wet and turns you on who am I to burst your bubble !!!
 

kaymax

Well-Known Member
Obariba said:
Too many men have been exhonerated on Death Row !!! That is reason enough to stop the death penalty ...its not even about Christian values any more !! But hey if it makes you wet and turns you on who am I to burst your bubble !!!

Wow OB, are you well?
 

Obariba

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kaymax said:
Then lead a crusade!!! So I guess for every crime commited, I HAVE to be there!! that's why we have brains to examine the facts presented and look at the individual and make our own decisions based on the observations. the law is the law, you don't like it, protest. Why weren't you there last night protesting? BTW, no need to curse at me, we're just sharing opinions here, no need to take anything personal!!! chill gurl!!!
:spin2:
 

Obariba

Well-Known Member
kaymax said:
Then lead a crusade!!! So I guess for every crime commited, I HAVE to be there!! that's why we have brains to examine the facts presented and look at the individual and make our own decisions based on the observations. the law is the law, you don't like it, protest. Why weren't you there last night protesting? BTW, no need to curse at me, we're just sharing opinions here, no need to take anything personal!!! chill gurl!!!

My point is has it crossed your mind that he might be innocent like he claimed ? The law is wrong and in order for it to be changed people need to speak about it and not just accept it ! Its not personal but if u are offended
Ill leave your post execution party and go to another thread !!:fing33:
 
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