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when will nigeria films get better?

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  1. kemibaby

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    Guys,
    lets face the truth. Niger and ghana films are more than horrible. I am discovering that the filmmakers know next to nothing. check out elvis obaseki saying something about the american film industry when he knows nothing about it?
    these people do not know yet they talk. the industry is so disorganised and power hungry. the actors are bad, technicalities are bad, story structures and dialogue is horrible, look at japan, japan and south african films are on blockbuster shelves and other rental places in europe and america. why not Ghana or Niger? you think the stakeholders have not tried to watch nigerian films to see if they could tap in? oh God, the fraustrations from the ignorant illiterate filmmakers. and yet they glory in the inferior things they produce. time to wake up and ask for better films.
    I want to know your thoughts.
     
  2. takestyle

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    com'on sharrap, my friend! who is you?
     
  3. noone

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    Our thoughts are that you should go and do your own Nigerian and/or Ghanaian film and make it better. Organise the industry, train the actors, improve the technicalities, write better stories and dialogue and when you're done, go to Japan, South Africa, Europe and America and market your films there. You will do us proudsmokin:
     
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    Hahahahahaha, abeg leave her alone. She'll soon realize that she's beating on a horse we've all wore ourselves out beating. Nonetheless, like you pointed out, the solution is to keep your mouth quite and do your thing. For one, it's not necessary making enemies you don't know, and secondly, you let your work speak for itself.
     
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    Is Kemi talking about Niger or Nigeria? because those are two different countries...

    I don't think I have ever seen a Niger movie before though.

    As for Nigeria movie industry, the movie will get better when their hostility start letting them allow trained filmmakers to make films for them.

    If someone open a good movie studio and put maverick there, I know the Nigerian films wont look the same again.
     
  6. kemibaby

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    it takes the voice of people to call for change. it is because people like you who are slamming me come on this thread to encourage their nonsense.
    Do you know how much revenue we are talking about for the countries invloved if the film industry is properly structured? do you? do you know how the american film industry pays in taxes per year to the american government for films alone? I work for Paramount as an assistant in the legal depertment, with a masters in film, so you are not talking with anyone off the street. paramount pays at least 40million dollars per year in taxes, and that is for a bad year like 2006.
    and the blind leads the blind. when I talk, people insult me. Ayishawa rai, was making silly bollywood movies but at least, india is full of light skinned people, computers and resources so, America bought her into the capital of the film industry.
    I maintain that nigerian filmmakers need to learn and restructure before any hope will come for them.
    until then, by all means Gather a bunch of 3 jobs a day nigerians who will collect 100dollars per head so they can fly in a bunch of naija actors and give then some wooden statutes. the actors will then walk about saying they recieved awards in America. see why the white man took you as slaves? deep sense of mediocrity!
    hollywood film industry is the capital of the world of film, if your film or talent gets recognised there, then you are on track. other that that you are joke!!!
    an organised industry involves insurance companies, artist agencies, guilds and unions, end of services benefits for the artistes. if your beloved gennievve looses her sight today. what will she eat in 5 years after she has exhausted all her money on drugs and hospital bills? the story will be different, if for every 1500naira she makes 150naira goes towards her social security. wander in your pull him down syndrome, that is why africa is like this.
     
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    You obviously have experience in the film industry, and lots of great ideas. You also are not unique in your ideas for the improvement of Nollywood. However, by making a sweeping judgement (see bolded comments) about the actors, storylines, and filmmakers, you insult tried and true veterans like Olu Jacobs, Justus Esiri, Tade Ogidan, and the late great Hubert Ogunde, failing to recognize those who can deliver. If I had to cast characters for an adaptation of any Shakespearan play, I wouldn't be embarrassed to recommend any of the above mentioned actors. I'm an artist, and I feel that art should be encouraged. I also believe that artists should be called on thier BS as well. With your strong views, my suggestion to you, is to take your expertise, and be the change you wish to see.....just my 2 cents.
     
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    Who is this?

    I know you mean well. But vexing wont make it work. You know it will be rude to blame people for something you have no solution. You can't just blame people for not being bright enough when you yourself don't know shit!

    You have to understand that these people ideas only limited to what they see in their environment and what they know.
    No matter how bad it is.. it is one of the means of recreation for the people living in Nigeria. And I don't the Nigerians living in Nigeria are ready to stop anytime soon. If they hate bad things, they would have stop riding on molue and danfo with no doors...
     
  9. kemibaby

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    Hubscrown,
    you must be very ignorant. what do you mean their ideas are limited to what they know and their ebvironment only? really? do you watch niger films? are their ideas really limited? do you see the attempted sophistication that is never achieved because some bigot wants power? I have been on niger sets before. Directors yelling action into microphones when the artistes is only a few paces away, a PM who is yelling at actors for being late, the industry runners re ignorant!!! it will take you and me, people on this blog to try and encourage change. this is why the whiteman will always enslave you. you cannot initiate and stand for change!! I am vxed because people are too greedy in this industry. zenith bank gives money to a producer to try and mae a good film, half of the money goes to buying a 2007 lexus jeep and whatever is left is pumped into a mediocre film.
     
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    so sorry for africa

    have you seen a niger film in a rental or distribution store in any part of the world? I am not talking about african store or carribean market... industry, AFM, IFTA distributors I mean, have you? THINKFilm compnay just bought the rights to a Gambian movie, I'll get the title for you later. yellow card a keyan film was shown on TV1 just last week. support me, don't defend wrong doing. okay so you have said it before, why did you stop saying it? apart from blogging it, did you suggest anything that can bring change? I started this cos I need the vote of the masses so we can call for change, we need to raise our head high when we are asked "where are you from". In film school, I was asked if I have seen camera before. how insulting. I shot on ARRI before flying to america.
    if Olu Jacobs can stoop low enough to play a stupid role, then I am sorry, he is a bad actor. Chioma will never play a role in which she has to smoke let the money go. imagine Olu jacobs playing a role and saying degrading things about women, if the producer wants you that bad, let him alter the dialogue. Sidney potier became famous when in a film his character was supposed to be doormant when a whiteman slapped him, on set, he told the director he cannot do that, his charater will slap the white man back. That is how potier became the first black movie star, still celebrated!! don't worry, you will know who this is soon. I see it is hopeless trying to harness africans for change. don't forget rwanda all because of lack of unity and 1 voice.

     
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    What in the...??? Again I will reiterate, 1)you are not unique in your views for the improvement of Nollywood. 2) I never stopped voicing my views on the state of the industry even though I do not have a blog. 3) You did'nt need to take a poll to find out the general consensus of avid movie fans, and filmakers/writers/directors on this site....Simply do a search, or better yet, type in Vince, Blackbutterfly, Sola, The Maverick, Candylecious...to name a few..they never mince words, and have seen tons more Nigerian movies than I ever will. 4) Giving off this air of superiority, (or the let me enlighten the darkness of these buffoons) will not get you the support you desire. My two cents again...Carry on, i'm done.
     
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    barbs--whatever,
    so why the insult if you feel I am not unique to the opinion? suddenly it is a taboo to raise a topic that has already been discussed? it is you that feels (what is she saying when we have said it?) God!!! my comment never had or has the underlying statement you quoted in there. it is people like you that live in nigerian film that is hy it is like that. if it is not championed by you, then it should not be championed. if I felt y'all know nothing, why would I bother teaching an old dog new tricks? your question should have been, kemibaby, we have said this before, do you have any forum for change?. that is unity. Goodness, I wonder why I left Africa and then people like you open your mouth and then I have an answer for myself. take your 2 cents and get a piece of candy. dweep.
    I will watch out for your blog when I am ready.
     
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    oh for Christ's sake, kemibaby!

    what is this obsession of yours with Japanese movies being in Blockbuster but not Nigerian movies? do you know how old Japan's film industry is? do you know the size of their movie economy? do you see Filipino and Singaporean movies in Blockbuster?

    have you asked yourself WHY it is so, instead of just complaining about it?
     
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    I don't know what to tell you again. First, try and use Naija, instead of Niger which I'm reading as Niger country or Nigger, lol.
    Second, you seem to think directors and producers are the people running the industry... Distributor a.k.a "marketers" are the one really running the Nigerian movie industry. The distributors either act as the executive producer or purchased a movie from the a producer and distribute it to make their own profit.
    Even though these distributors or should we called them marketers doesn't know anything about filmmaking, there major concern is whose face is in the movie... Its is the actor face they use as their distributing gimmicks to sell movies. And as far as I'm concerned, the people buying these movies doesn't care either if the movie is terrible or not.. as long as Naija A - class or famous actor is on the cover.

    Now, the question is, why are these actors taking terrible scripts? Are they taking it to help distributor sell movies? Are they taking it because their face is going to be on the cover? Are they taking it because it doesn't matter how terrible the movie is, they gonna get paid anyway? are they taking the scripts because their brains can't different good and pathetic or they take these god awful scripts because they think they were such a good actors and their acting will elevate the stinkiness of the movie (more like Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct 2, a movie that was made with 60mil, and gross a domestic profit or 6mill, meanwhile Sharon alone got paid 14mill. She probably thought her star power will sell the movie or she's desperate to have money in the bank).

    Meanwhile, all I have been hearing lately by most of these Nigerians actors is that, they don't need to be compared to Hollywood status quo.
    The thing is, if some actors will just putting their face in terrible movies and their face doesn't end up on the movie cover for sale. A terrible script with unknown, less achieved or less experienced actors will result in putting those unknown faces on the movie cover and that results less interest in people buying the particular movie.

    Now thats only about acting aspect... not to talk about ordinary costumes... with color riots... and someone putting a shoemaker hats on his head thinking he looks like a pimp.

    So like you are claiming that some people are power hungry and running the industry in shamble... Thats not the issue. And I bet most Nigerian movie directors or Editors doesn't care about the content of these movies either.. as long as they are getting paid.

    I know what the problem is and I know the solution is... but as for you Kemi... I first want to see your solution to the problems then I can say your claim is valid.

    You asked if I watch Nigerian movies. I used to watch many but for over a year now, I have only watch like 2 or 3 online. Only those that I know has good reviews that I watch. 95% of Naija movies doesn't worth buying or renting. And after watching most of them, I don't feel entertained but depressed for wasting my 3 hours or more watching these pathetic movies.

    And by the way, this is forum not a blog. smokin:
     
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    a blog is the internet term for a forum. thanks for your thoughts though but i think it is worthless discussing this further. i try to stay away from the type of mentality displayed on this blog.
     
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    because japan has the most complex language so it is amazing their films travel far. anyway do not reply i am sick of people like you

     
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    sorry, kemibaby... you're not gonna get rid of me that easily. you strike me as an extremely ignorant--but at the same time, arrogant--person.

    you make a lot of baseless, downright stupid statements, and refuse to acknowledge you're wrong when you get called on them. for instance:

    ummm... what does the "complexity" of the language have to do with anything?

    if you don't understand the language, you don't understand it... no matter how "complex" or simple the language is. it's still the same subtitles people read, whether it's Japanese, French or Persian.

    look... if you're ready to discuss this issue on a mature and intelligent level, let me know.
     
  18. noone

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    I'm going to go beyond the pale for this one...


    If the poster of this thread is embittered about her experiences on a 'niger' film set, she should take it up with those concerned not those of us who through, jaw-jawing, are looking for practical ways and means of improving the industry. I know there are members of NR who are heavily involved in the industry and are doing their very best within the constraints; for instance Arese, Hekcentrik and Blessed and so on. So for someone to come in here and not give honour to whom honour is due for reasons best known to her really gets my goat.

    As Barbarellanoir would say 'Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear " bright" until you hear them speak'.

    People who cannot have a healthy conversation/dialogue without resorting to name-calling and such shouldn't have any conversations at all and if they must, let them try to be coherent and go easy on the editing due to 'spelling' errorssmokin:
     
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    i think you will bite your tongue if you knew who you were really blogging with. for your information, I do not only have a masters degree in film and television from Loyola Marymount university but I am currently doing a post graduate in Cultural Anthropology where language is one of the main themes. language is a barrier and a uniting tool, it has been established by language experts that the japanease language has the most complex of formations after the language of the Masai in kenya. it is in dispute where language actually came from from kenya or namibia. you know who is ignorant, it is you.
    you want to have an intelleigent convesation, if that will ever be possible, just something for you to digest: my comment was from a place of fraustration. becuase from where we saw movies like heritage africa, cobra verde, love brewed in African pots, the west african film industry just begun a downslide. with internet learning, travel, export and education, one will think movies from WA will become better because a person has to learn. a film like yankee girls was made so public and everyone was dying to see it, you waste 4.5hours on a pointless, aimless, cheap, thrill. Mirror of beauty, the hype was...oh God, we are showing in london, we are this we are that, you watch the film with great expectancy and what do you find? an idiotic storyline. they had a chance to screen in London, and what do they do? they show a piece of shit that noone will remember. My film professor in undergrad loved me not because I was smart, but because I had a chance to work with Ousmanu sembene, the greatest african filmmaker that ever lived. he was awed by him, sundance gave this man a standing ovation when his film moladee was screened. what is stopping others from doing this? one blogger said until they stop their hostility, nothing will happen.
    the only reason why you think I am arrogant is because I can state facts you do not know. you feel threatened cos someone has an edge over your knowlwdge, that is where you are insecure, you should not feel threatened cossomeone knows what you don't, rather you pick the persons brain and add it to yours and get better. have ever produced a film? wrote a script?, financed a movie? worked on and african film set and an ameican film set? I am sure if honesty is key in your life, the answers will be no!!! well, I have, for my own privacy, I will not tell you who I am if i do, you will probably know who your are talking to because you have watched some of my screenplays. thanks.

     
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    tam-tam, thanks,
    tell you why I type errors, I type this blogs in the middle of editing my reel. the computer I am using is really not for typing, it is for edting so some of the keys are sticky. and as an artist, I flow... i ge my thoughts out first and when i make a typo i may miss some of them, when i post the blog, i read over and if i see something that might take the reader out of pace, i edit it. the people who established this blog know that there will be times when one will need to edit that is why the have the edit key.
    before you begin to belabor one with words in your bid to show you are smart, think!!!! don't just open your mouth and spit out the nonsense you are truly made of. doyou know how many movies from home I recieve? none of them are anything to write home about. so your people on this blog who claim to be doing something are probably not in the appropriate position to do it. You know I have actually regretted posting my comment, very very much. cos it is pointless dragging issues with prideful people. I posted it because there is a group of filmmakers from Ghana and nigeria who are in california and we want to set up an online voting system where we can pull votes of people who want to see a change in the industry. we have hollywood power behind, Leila Djansi, she is a Ghanaian producer who has made a real break in hollywood. she is the producer of Red Soil and also Startton Leopold , producer of Mission Impossible, he is also the Vice president of paramount, these people want to use the voice of the people to force producers and stakeholderss back home to restructure the industry.
    my comment was to see how many people we could get to positively agree on the subject and then introduce the voting site to them where they can go and vote. voters will also have the opportunity to blog with Ms Djansi and Mr. Leopold. This year alone Leila is shooting two multi-million dollar budget films in Ghana, I knew Leila when she was in Savannah, so when I approached her about restructuring the industry she was excited to do this. it was her that suggested a blog we could print out and show stakeholders back home.
    Anyway, I see it might be useless.
     
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