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I found nothing to paste from forum, but takestyle, see where you are ignorant? unless you say "Internet Forum" you could be talking about a noun, or an adjective. read my reply to tam-tam please. thanks also a complexity of a language is a general expression used to say how the languages contructive base if formed. Like the number of vowels and consonants. the japanease language it really has not been figured out if they even have vowels. japan also does not have certain expressions, like the word regret, there is no word in Japanease for regret. japanease language is based largely on their culture, their culture has built their language so, when you watch a japanease film and you read subtitles, you and a japanease person would have undertstood the film differently. Find a japanease friend and watch him or her for a year, I am sure you will understand. for my class feild trip, we went to japan, we went to a cultural centre where they held a snake by the tail and swiped it, its blood was drained into a cup and given to us to drink in greeting, those of us who refused had to pay to stay in hotel as our host took offence. I'm from africa, and I ain't drinking no snake blood. takestyle, a person speaks out of experience not a culmination of ideas read from other blogs. everthingi post here is not from heresay but from experience. I am a 32 year old woman, isn't that enough to have exeperience? not arrogace my dear, experience.


sorry, kemibaby... you're not gonna get rid of me that easily. you strike me as an extremely ignorant--but at the same time, arrogant--person.

you make a lot of baseless, downright stupid statements, and refuse to acknowledge you're wrong when you get called on them. for instance:



ummmm... no.

sorry, but a blog is in NO way the same thing as a forum. in ANY language.

and while we're talking about language, why don't we deal with this supremely retarded statement by you:



ummm... what does the "complexity" of the language have to do with anything?

if you don't understand the language, you don't understand it... no matter how "complex" or simple the language is. it's still the same subtitles people read, whether it's Japanese, French or Persian.

look... if you're ready to discuss this issue on a mature and intelligent level, let me know.
 
#23
tam-tam, thanks,
tell you why I type errors, I type this blogs in the middle of editing my reel. the computer I am using is really not for typing, it is for edting so some of the keys are sticky. and as an artist, I flow... i ge my thoughts out first and when i make a typo i may miss some of them, when i post the blog, i read over and if i see something that might take the reader out of pace, i edit it. the people who established this blog know that there will be times when one will need to edit that is why the have the edit key.
before you begin to belabor one with words in your bid to show you are smart, think!!!! don't just open your mouth and spit out the nonsense you are truly made of. doyou know how many movies from home I recieve? none of them are anything to write home about. so your people on this blog who claim to be doing something are probably not in the appropriate position to do it. You know I have actually regretted posting my comment, very very much. cos it is pointless dragging issues with prideful people. I posted it because there is a group of filmmakers from Ghana and nigeria who are in california and we want to set up an online voting system where we can pull votes of people who want to see a change in the industry. we have hollywood power behind, Leila Djansi, she is a Ghanaian producer who has made a real break in hollywood. she is the producer of Red Soil and also Startton Leopold , producer of Mission Impossible, he is also the Vice president of paramount, these people want to use the voice of the people to force producers and stakeholderss back home to restructure the industry.
my comment was to see how many people we could get to positively agree on the subject and then introduce the voting site to them where they can go and vote. voters will also have the opportunity to blog with Ms Djansi and Mr. Leopold. This year alone Leila is shooting two multi-million dollar budget films in Ghana, I knew Leila when she was in Savannah, so when I approached her about restructuring the industry she was excited to do this. it was her that suggested a blog we could print out and show stakeholders back home.
Anyway, I see it might be useless.
Na wah o! Listen lady, we understand your frustration with Nollywood. We all been there and done that. However, let me tell you what everyone else has been trying to tell you: Everything you are asking for is already on this forum (note the word forum!!). Not only do we critique the industry as a whole, we critique movie by movie. We already talked about yankee girls and concluded that it was rubbish long ago. Go to the movie reviews forum, and the yoruba movies forum, and you will see serious critiquing. We talk about the actors and actresses. We have discussed, marketing and distribution issues. We have talked about ethnicity in the industry. There is nothing -good or bad, that you want to know about Nollywood, or their stakeholders that will not be found on this board.

Now having said all that, I need to tell you something: you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. YOu approach was kinda rude, honestly speaking, which is why most people who approached you pushed back. I wish you the best as you navigate NR. We really are nice people.

Have a nice day.
 

takestyle

Well-Known Member
#24
oh shut up, will you? you actually sounded like halfway intelligent in your first couple of posts, but the more you speak, the more ridiculous and ignorant you sound.

(first of all, i've got to tell you that your continued insistence upon misusing the term "blogging" to describe posting on a public messageboard even after you've been corrected makes you sound extremely ignorant.)

i think you will bite your tongue if you knew who you were really blogging with. for your information, I do not only have a masters degree in film and television from Loyola Marymount university but I am currently doing a post graduate in Cultural Anthropology where language is one of the main themes.
OH WOW!!!! A MASTERS DEGREE IN FILM AND TELEVISION FROM LOYOLA MARYMOUNT UNIVERSITY!!! I AM SO HUMBLED!!!

...

what does a Masters degree in film & television from a third-rate film school (yes... it is. i actually applied there and was admitted, but decided not to go BECAUSE it was third-rate) really qualify you for?

i'll tell ya: it qualifies you to be a PA lugging cables... and probably venting your career frustrations by ranting hysterically on a messageboard (which you think is a blog).

kemibaby said:
language is a barrier and a uniting tool, it has been established by language experts that the japanease language has the most complex of formations after the language of the Masai in kenya. it is in dispute where language actually came from from kenya or namibia. you know who is ignorant, it is you.
fascinating information. i wonder what it has to do with the subject at hand.

kemibaby said:
my comment was from a place of fraustration. becuase from where we saw movies like heritage africa, cobra verde, love brewed in African pots, the west african film industry just begun a downslide.
see, that is exactly the problem: most of us DIDN'T see those films, because the distribution structure in Africa was nonexistent.

as it stands, we're working on developing a new distribution structure... so far, it is greatly flawed, but at least it is working on some level.

it would be great if people like you with your Masters degree from Loyola Marymount {*snicker*} could think of some innovative ways to fix the problems of the distribution system... therefore getting the films to bigger (legit) audiences... which brings more money back into the industry... which allows for the possibility of bigger budgets... which would go a long way to improve the technical quality of the project.

unfortunately, you can't even see the problem, let alone formulate a solution. all you can do is complain on a blog... uh, messageboard.

kemibaby said:
Mirror of beauty, the hype was...oh God, we are showing in london, we are this we are that, you watch the film with great expectancy and what do you find? an idiotic storyline. they had a chance to screen in London, and what do they do? they show a piece of shit that noone will remember. My film professor in undergrad loved me not because I was smart, but because I had a chance to work with Ousmanu sembene, the greatest african filmmaker that ever lived. he was awed by him, sundance gave this man a standing ovation when his film moladee was screened. what is stopping others from doing this? one blogger said until they stop their hostility, nothing will happen.
Ousmane Sembene was one of the greatest filmmakers who ever lived.

but you know what the problem is? very few people ever saw his films... ESPECIALLY in his home country of Senegal.

is this a problem for you at all?

kemibaby said:
the only reason why you think I am arrogant is because I can state facts you do not know. you feel threatened cos someone has an edge over your knowlwdge, that is where you are insecure, you should not feel threatened cossomeone knows what you don't, rather you pick the persons brain and add it to yours and get better.
okay, at this point i am literally falling on the floor laughing.

my dear, i can assure you that what i have forgotten about film over just the past 4 years most likely is more than you will ever learn in the next 20!

believe me.

kemibaby said:
have ever produced a film? wrote a script?, financed a movie? worked on and african film set and an ameican film set? I am sure if honesty is key in your life, the answers will be no!!! well, I have, for my own privacy, I will not tell you who I am if i do, you will probably know who your are talking to because you have watched some of my screenplays.
actually, i have done all of the above.

and i seriously doubt that i have watched any of your screenplays. in fact, i'd bet my left testicle that you haven't done schitt in the industry.

furthermore, i think you are extremely disingenuous to come and make claims like that and then hide behind your "privacy." if i'm supposed to be intimidated by who you are, then you should probably tell me who you are... otherwise, it kinda defeats the purpose.

unless your reply to this post is sufficiently intelligent and honest, this will be my final response to you. i don't have too much time to waste on this meaningless twaddle.
 

Believer

Active Member
#25
Just like Rome was NOT built in a day, I do not think Hollywood, Bollywood, South Africa entertainment industries became perfect in it their first or second fazes of their start.

Nollywood and Ghana are a force to reckon with and I believe they will be there,in fact very soon. By God's grace I will be here to see some of us eat our own words.

For some one so big, good and experienced in the entertainment industry like Kemi, I believe it would be better to give guidelines and advise rather than insult and shut out what is home grown. Please do NOT give us a reason to say you sound like a sell out. I am very sure many of us have bigger jobs in different arenas far away from home but we do not use them to under look our own. Positive critiques normally do wonders to their own. Try that and you will see what wonderful changes happen with time. I think "Niger" or Ghana would be proud to say they have you in Paramount if you tried to make sure they get there rather put them down. Thats the spelling of PATRIOTISM!!!
 
#26
see where you are an idiot? you applied to Loyola, and they admitted you? you are a big liar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if you are in the shower and a mad man carries your cloth and you chase after him, you will be seen as the mad man. You guys have a BLOG BLOG BLOG BLOG BLOG, and you talk talk talk talk, with no means to do anything. why bother? at least I know some movers and shakers of the greatest film industry in the world. and oops I went to loyola, bad bad school, which one did you go to? USC? or LASU? with my low class college, I still have done much. see here my arrogant friend, its not your school, it is your skills.

oh shut up, will you? you actually sounded like halfway intelligent in your first couple of posts, but the more you speak, the more ridiculous and ignorant you sound.

(first of all, i've got to tell you that your continued insistence upon misusing the term "blogging" to describe posting on a public messageboard even after you've been corrected makes you sound extremely ignorant.)



OH WOW!!!! A MASTERS DEGREE IN FILM AND TELEVISION FROM LOYOLA MARYMOUNT UNIVERSITY!!! I AM SO HUMBLED!!!

...

what does a Masters degree in film & television from a third-rate film school (yes... it is. i actually applied there and was admitted, but decided not to go BECAUSE it was third-rate) really qualify you for?

i'll tell ya: it qualifies you to be a PA lugging cables... and probably venting your career frustrations by ranting hysterically on a messageboard (which you think is a blog). just like steven spielbergs late BFA from CSLB earned a chance to plugg your cables asshole. FYI, did tell you where I did my undergrad, also in film? if you are that knowledgable, what school is termed harvard of the south in Savannah Ga? what kind of thing is this when funny wannabes try to talk when people are talking. if you want to turn this into an insult trade you have more than met your match.



fascinating information. i wonder what it has to do with the subject at hand.



see, that is exactly the problem: most of us DIDN'T see those films, because the distribution structure in Africa was nonexistent.

as it stands, we're working on developing a new distribution structure... so far, it is greatly flawed, but at least it is working on some level.

it would be great if people like you with your Masters degree from Loyola Marymount {*snicker*} could think of some innovative ways to fix the problems of the distribution system... therefore getting the films to bigger (legit) audiences... which brings more money back into the industry... which allows for the possibility of bigger budgets... which would go a long way to improve the technical quality of the project.

unfortunately, you can't even see the problem, let alone formulate a solution. all you can do is complain on a blog... uh, messageboard.



Ousmane Sembene was one of the greatest filmmakers who ever lived.

but you know what the problem is? very few people ever saw his films... ESPECIALLY in his home country of Senegal.

is this a problem for you at all?



okay, at this point i am literally falling on the floor laughing.

my dear, i can assure you that what i have forgotten about film over just the past 4 years most likely is more than you will ever learn in the next 20!

believe me.



actually, i have done all of the above.

and i seriously doubt that i have watched any of your screenplays. in fact, i'd bet my left testicle that you haven't done schitt in the industry.

furthermore, i think you are extremely disingenuous to come and make claims like that and then hide behind your "privacy." if i'm supposed to be intimidated by who you are, then you should probably tell me who you are... otherwise, it kinda defeats the purpose.

unless your reply to this post is sufficiently intelligent and honest, this will be my final response to you. i don't have too much time to waste on this meaningless twaddle.
 

takestyle

Well-Known Member
#27
and oops I went to loyola, bad bad school, which one did you go to? USC? or LASU? with my low class college, I still have done much. see here my arrogan friend, its not your school, it is your skills.
i agree with you. it's not about what school you went to.

therefore, why did YOU bring up school, as if you wanted us to be impressed by it?

and why did you lie and say that i have probably watched your screenplays?

that IS a lie, you know... and a very obvious one.

let's make it a little interesting: why don't you reveal your identity to me in a private message, and if you are indeed the scenarist of movies that i have watched, i will Paypal you $100 and never post on this messagebo... uh, blog again.
 
#28
thanks believer,
but please, go back and look at the beggining of the comment and see i made a comment and was met with insults. is this how to interact? I was not rude or angry with anyone who contributed to the blog, i was rude to the industry!! I just started something that people are willing to help out on. so please instead of pledging your loyalty to people who u have intereacted with for longer, please follow the issue. Even the bible says a soft answer drives away all anger. if I was not butchered on this blog, I will not have fought back. we are all humans with animalistic instincts. tnx

Just like Rome was NOT built in a day, I do not think Hollywood, Bollywood, South Africa entertainment industries became perfect in it their first or second fazes of their start.

Nollywood and Ghana are a force to reckon with and I believe they will be there,in fact very soon. By God's grace I will be here to see some of us eat our own words.

For some one so big, good and experienced in the entertainment industry like Kemi, I believe it would be better to give guidelines and advise rather than insult and shut out what is home grown. Please do NOT give us a reason to say you sound like a sell out. I am very sure many of us have bigger jobs in different arenas far away from home but we do not use them to under look our own. Positive critiques normally do wonders to their own. Try that and you will see what wonderful changes happen with time. I think "Niger" or Ghana would be proud to say they have you in Paramount if you tried to make sure they get there rather put them down. Thats the spelling of PATRIOTISM!!!
 
#29
wait, you will find out soon. I'd rather my GOOD actions speak for me and Ii do not need a 100 dollars from you, I do not need to prove anything to you either, i'd rather embarass you so please, wait. I know you have watched my screenplays because it was at the time when every naija movie got watched. I am not proud of it, so i hardly even show it to anyone, I wrote a script and the director decided to spilt the money he got from the french emabassy in tow. half for the film and half for a jeep. the screenplay I worked hard one became a film of inferior quality. So i left the country to perfect my craft and break into the industry on my terms. I thank God that have met people willing to help me get there.

i agree with you. it's not about what school you went to.

therefore, why did YOU bring up school, as if you wanted us to be impressed by it?

and why did you lie and say that i have probably watched your screenplays?

that IS a lie, you know... and a very obvious one.

let's make it a little interesting: why don't you reveal your identity to me in a private message, and if you are indeed the scenarist of movies that i have watched, i will Paypal you $100 and never post on this messagebo... uh, blog again.
 

takestyle

Well-Known Member
#30
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

bloody coward!! (AND LIAR)

i haven't watched your screenplay, you ninny... so why did you lie?

you keep digging yourself deeper and deeper here... you sound downright crazy.
 

Sola

Administrator
Staff member
#31
Let's keep the name-calling out and focus on the issues, if indeed there are issues, folks. Thank you.
 
#32
it takes a wise man to run away from senseless trouble he does not need. Why should I give you a gun to shoot me with? Stud muffin, you have watched my screenplays period. don't you have anything better to do? please go and look for kate henshaws interview and pick her ideas and use it as yours on BLOGShbeat:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

bloody coward!! (AND LIAR)

i haven't watched your screenplay, you ninny... so why did you lie?

you keep digging yourself deeper and deeper here... you sound downright crazy.
 

Hubscrown

Well-Known Member
#34
Wow, I see where the frustration came from..LOL.. The director split the money... I just wonder what were you doing that ordinary director split the money... is the director the Producer and you are just a screenwriter?
Now that you have blamed the director and production team for this movie of yours.. can you tell us the title if the story has any brain in it...

Oh well, I prayed you find what you are looking for... Even with this your character, I doubt it if anyone will take interest in whatever you come out with in the future.
 
#35
Bye, its over for this post. did you read my blog from the beginning? I am sure if it were you that posted something and immediately people started insulting you, you will thank them. My attitude? what attitude? you will watch and love my future films because you do not know who I am my real name is not kemi. and yes, the story had brain in it but since it was done run and gun, the film has no brain in it. I will not hide the fact.

Wow, I see where the frustration came from..LOL.. The director split the money... I just wonder what were you doing that ordinary director split the money... is the director the Producer and you are just a screenwriter?
Now that you have blamed the director and production team for this movie of yours.. can you tell us the title if the story has any brain in it...

Oh well, I prayed you find what you are looking for... Even with this your character, I doubt it if anyone will take interest in whatever you come out with in the future.
 

TheForce

Well-Known Member
#36
Guys,
lets face the truth. Niger and ghana films are more than horrible. I am discovering that the filmmakers know next to nothing. check out elvis obaseki saying something about the american film industry when he knows nothing about it?
these people do not know yet they talk. the industry is so disorganised and power hungry. the actors are bad, technicalities are bad, story structures and dialogue is horrible, look at japan, japan and south african films are on blockbuster shelves and other rental places in europe and america. why not Ghana or Niger? you think the stakeholders have not tried to watch nigerian films to see if they could tap in? oh God, the fraustrations from the ignorant illiterate filmmakers. and yet they glory in the inferior things they produce. time to wake up and ask for better films.
I want to know your thoughts.
people, does these comments by kemibaby (above) warrant all these insults and counter-insults it has generatted? Why can't we for once learn to reply to people's post with curtesies and simple corrections?

Though I believe kemi shouldn't have generally ascribed blame to everybody in the industry, that doesn't mean she was totally wrong. Everybody in the industry have their share in the blame and should be challenged to wake up.

If those of us that think something is wrong with the industry are fighting online, we will definitely do worse if we are back home running the show on ground.

Why do some people feel threatened by the contributions of others? At least nobody have monopoly of ideas.

Kemi you may be right in some areas but remember not all movies out of Nollywood/America are equally good. Things may be like this, but as long as we keep "talking and doing" things will definately get better.
 
F

filmdirector

Guest
#38
The OP is not wrong in her posting. I think the first response to her was rude. She was just frustrated and angered that she was questioned on her authenticity.

I get very frustrated at the quality myself which in this day and time of global access to international films and books can not be excused.

I have a new channel on my SKY box called nollywood tv. Most of the films are new or at least a year old. I shudder at some of them. I can excuse lighting issues knowing that a good DP might be hard to find and needs training but I can't excuse poor camera placement - eg camera placed under the table focused on an actor in a WS who then ends up being a dot on the screen or an XLOW ANGELED SHOT of two actors so that most of their legs are in the FG and their heads are almost chopped off at the top yet nothing about that conversation warrants that extreme position. I can't excuse some stupid music playing while people are talking such that the dialogue is incomprehensible. I can't excuse poor sound effects when most software comes with decent free sound effects in its package. Come on some of these issues can be resolved just by taking one hollywood film and studying it and copying how the camera is place, how music is used etc. We can't blame the marketers for this one. I have worked in Nigerian conditions and I can excuse a lot and I am proud of a lot but please even with these conditions we can shoot way better with better results.

After all is it much different from an Indie filmmaker in America shooting a 10 12 day feature shoot? I have been in those too. If you want a top product in 12 days you can. Preproduction has to be excellent though. And preproduction is discipline isn't it? I know what I am saying. Preproduction on my Nigerian shoot was so chaotic I thank God i even shot the darn thing. Compared to my American shoot. Same money, same conditions different results.

Also I wonder if subconsciously we haven't accepted mediocrity. I saw a movie i think by a TCHIDI director can't remember the name that had Genevieve Nnaji and Omotola in it. At the end Genny hangs herself. Well, the hanging my goodness!! Was clearly the highlight for the director as he spend almost 5mins panning, zooming, trucking etc over the dead body yet clearly there was no rope around her neck, her clothes so baggy and puff out you knew she was suspended and her eyes blinked yet i came here or was it another website forum and people were raving about the movie. I thought the acting was so over the top. Maybe I just don't get this. I grew up in Nigeria watching European films and some bollywood so maybe my taste are different but I don't understand some of our overacting.

So yes the OP's frustrations are merited. Everytime I encounter the same problems i get frustrated. We get frustrated because behind our frustration is pride in our country and a deep seated knowledge of how easy it is to be great - the details. You live abroad you see how easy it is to excel. You understand and you want to scream it on a Nigerian roof top but are u really listened to? I think the frustration is deeper because from my short shoot in Nigeria, I know most of the people don't care. Fundamentally as a majority we don't have the kind of work ethic that results in quality. It is indicative in other things we produce or manufacture - clothes, shoes, technology etc. We admire the west and want western things yet can't work to create those things even if the opportunity is given us.

The reasoning on the time frame of nollywood's existence doesn't really fly either. There are too many movies out there, too many established industries to be copied out there for us to lean on that. The norm already exist for us. It's one thing to live in an era with little knowledge when experiments are still done (for example the era of hollywood beginnings when they were still trying this new technology out with no sound etc) than in an era when everything is already accomplished and available.

I know this horse has been beaten to death.

Solution - Try in each film I make to improve in quality. I can only take care of myself and be responsible for myself.

Imeh Esen
Director - Grey Focus
www.acepointentertainment.com
 

takestyle

Well-Known Member
#39
The OP is not wrong in her posting. I think the first response to her was rude. She was just frustrated and angered that she was questioned on her authenticity.
i think i should state for the record that my "rude" first response, while tongue-in-cheek, was informed by the fact that the poster had been extremely rude to me in a post before that.

it was also informed by the fact that the original post was kinda dumb.

please... was there any original idea offered in the post? was there any kind of informed commentary or carefully reasoned critique?

no... it was just a bunch of sour whinging about how Japanese and South African movies are on the shelves in Blockbuster. first of all, anybody who is trying to compare the state of cinema in Nigeria with that of Japan (as if Japan were a third world county) is obviously ignorant and deserves to be cussed out on the spot.

everybody knows that the quality of Nigerian movies sucks... even the people who call themselves diehard addicts know this. it's not news... it's been discussed here since this forum's inception, in minute detail, not just the fact that it sucks... but why it sucks, and what can/should be done to make it better. a simple search through the archives would reveal this.

the original poster stepped in here with an innate sense of superiority (which, by the way, was completely unwarranted since she soon showed herself to be shockingly ignorant) and i put her in her place.

i have no regrets about this.
 

iuwa

Active Member
#40
Keep holding you breath. Nigerian films will get better when the industry is willing to accept a diversity of ideas. But when can this happen, when we have a society that is not open.

The movie industry, run and funded by mostly Born-again hypocrites, is just mainly a platform to spread one-sided ideology and to make quick money.

Nevertheless, I still watch it.
 
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