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when will nigeria films get better?

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takestyle

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#61
No, I can't claim that statement. I would never say ignorant cuz I don't even think that. I do believe some from my experience want to learn but don't have the tools and yes we can help with that.

Choice of words my friend. I would never say ignorant and say so snubbishly. It's just not my way of thinking.
okay, my bad... you didn't actually say Nigerians back home were "ignorant," but you did say that Nigerians abroad are "intellectually and morally superior."

does that sound more like your wording?
 
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filmdirector

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okay, my bad... you didn't actually say Nigerians back home were "ignorant," but you did say that Nigerians abroad are "intellectually and morally superior."

does that sound more like your wording?
NO it is not my wording. Where are you getting this stuff from??? Do I think travel broadens ones thinking, and intelligence? Yes. Afterall even in the western society there is a clear distinction in knowledge and as a default intelligence between those that are well travelled and those that have never left their small town. But i don't like the inferior/superior stance. It stems too much from pride.
 
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filmdirector

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Thanks .. Ill check it out ....keep it up grinning:

If you dont mind we need a thread to keep track of your progress with the movie ...a little extra PR wont hurt !
Where does one create that? On what part of the board? Sorry I don't usually post frequently in Naija board mostly nollywood.net when it was active.
 

takestyle

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#64
NO it is not my wording. Where are you getting this stuff from??? Do I think travel broadens ones thinking, and intelligence? Yes. Afterall even in the western society there is a clear distinction in knowledge and as a default intelligence between those that are well travelled and those that have never left their small town. But i don't like the inferior/superior stance. It stems too much from pride.
Nollywood.net - Professional Video and Films In Nigeria & Africa - View Single Post - Are you kidding me?- Returnee Vibrations

Interesting story but the fact is the writer is just trying to paint the returnees in a negative way. Some people might hit the roof on this but the fact is Nigerian American's are and supposed to be intellectually and morally superior to the average Nigerian living at home.
 
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filmdirector

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Aha I gracefully stand corrected. But please post the next paragraphs that explained what I meant. It might seem a wrong choice of words out of context but in context and with the explanation given it makes sense.

My use of intellectually superior was not PC maybe but it was explained as not a condition of nature but of travel and experience and I still stand on that as a fact.
Below is the whole writing with my explanations and reasoning.

Interesting story but the fact is the writer is just trying to paint the returnees in a negative way. Some people might hit the roof on this but the fact is Nigerian American's are and supposed to be intellectually and morally superior to the average Nigerian living at home.

Let me explain - If nigerians abroad use their travel experiences to develop an open mind, they will be influenced by laws that are upheld and straightforward and an education that is adequate, practical and well structured. They will also be exposed to other cultures, ideas, outlook on life etc. This can only be to an advantage if the good is taken and the wrong thrown away.

Some Nigerians I meet resist learning any new American thing and hence only restricted themselves to a Nigerian church, work and home and so I can not speak on how they'll turn out. But if one is open to learning and experiencing new things, people and cultures they can not help but know more, think broader etc. So yes, when they go home, they will be more aware of wrong thinking or crippling/backward thinking, they will see easy solutions because their area of dwelling has used these solutions and it has helped/worked.

Yes we might sound arrogant but I think many times just the pain of seeing the destruction around you, knowing it is so easy to fix, noting the flaws in certain ways of thinking coupled with love of country might make us get too vocal.

Please I haven't said innately we are more superior in mind etc, I am saying we are more superior in mind, ideas, morals on some level etc because we have exposed ourselves to more.

I am bolding certain things just because I am trying to be sensitive to whoever else is reading this. Let's not pick one sentence and run with it. Again I write from my experiences. From being a curious person who tries to relate to different people. There is a lot in our traditions, religious beliefs and attitude to things in Nigeria that is very much proven to be a weight, a burden to progress etc and honestly only exposure reveals this. Example from exposure you realize that some beliefs that are a burden in their applications were practiced in the last centuries in other cultures and had to be done away with for the people to move on.

Finally i still believe you get a better 'education' abroad if you stay open minded and widen your circle of friends and associations within the purity of your conscience.
 

takestyle

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filmdirector:

i didn't quote the rest of the post not because i sought to decontextualize your comment, but because it was not really that relevant to the point i was making.

but in any case, i DO understand the argument you're positing... i just disagree with it.

shall i explain why? or would that be getting too intricate?
 
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filmdirector

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filmdirector:

i didn't quote the rest of the post not because i sought to decontextualize your comment, but because it was not really that relevant to the point i was making.

but in any case, i DO understand the argument you're positing... i just disagree with it.

shall i explain why? or would that be getting too intricate?
No, its okay. I don't want this post to deviate from its original content. But if you like you could send one to me PM or nollywood.net cuz out of curiousity i want to hear my reasoning. Just the curious side of me. I might learn something new and surely hear a different perspective.
 

takestyle

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No, its okay. I don't want this post to deviate from its original content. But if you like you could send one to me PM or nollywood.net cuz out of curiousity i want to hear my reasoning. Just the curious side of me. I might learn something new and surely hear a different perspective.
i guess you ain't heard yet: Nollywood.net is dead, as of today.

but in any case, i don't think there's too much problem with detouring this thread, considering that the original post was remarkably free of content anyway.
 
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filmdirector

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i guess you ain't heard yet: Nollywood.net is dead, as of today.

but in any case, i don't think there's too much problem with detouring this thread, considering that the original post was remarkably free of content anyway.
well, it was pretty none existent for a while so it makes sense for it to die although i just posted something. However it is 2:31am where i live. I have finished burning the dvds for festivals and I am going to get some zzzz. Can still post though. Will read it tomorrow.
 

TheForce

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the industry will get their act together only if they realise their competition from other english speaking african countries (e.g. Kenya, Ghana etc) is doing better than them and being recognised way better, and that time is very near. You watch and see.

Right now they are on cloud 9, they dont think anyone can touch them. Dont under estimate the "underdogs"
It will be a good thing, for other Anglophone nations to try and do their own thing. But I don't think it will be seen as competing with Nollywood. They will be doing their thing and Nollywood will be doing theirs.

The Ghana film industries as I recall, was more progressive than nollywood from the beginning, but they bought into the lie that they were in competition with nollywood, and they crashed. Now that they are picking up again, they should try and do their thing and improve on it.

Moreover, must every African countries begin to think of going into movie productions because Nollywood is successful? I bet there are other things that they can be better than Nigeria at.
 

moviewizard

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Funny enough, i was watching I am legend with a cousin yesterday and he was asking me when would a nigerian movie be like that? I actually thought deep and felt for me, its not even about crashing helicopters and doing car stunts in our movies yet but having a decent story with professional hands to start with. To be truthful nollywood is not yet there and is not close at all, like someone said its basically nigerian movies made for nigerians. Kemibaby addressed with too much hostility hence the feedbacks she got. Its something we should discuss yet i also think someone could start with a change, take for instance the nigerian music industry, they are not there yet but they shoot great videos on 35mm, all these started the moment 2face won the mtv best african act, everyone wanted to get better, have their videos on mtv and probably win the awards. If a nigerian movie wins an oscar tomorrow (just using that as an example) you would see tremendous improvement so i guess its no longer about shouting and yelling. If kemi baby feels she went to the best film school on planet earth, she should make a great movie and show nigerian film makers how to do it. Its time for people who think they can do something out of the box that would effect changes come on board and i assure you it would go a long way. For now, those cold movies are the best they think they have to offer so someone has to come out and show them how to do it. I do think nigerians are boastful people and too much has been heard about shooting this and that movie that would shock even hollywood but for wia. for me i have learnt to put my money where my mouth is and accept nollywood for what they are and rate them according to a particular circumference i have crafted.
 

KikisMuffin

I no get ya time!!
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i think you will bite your tongue if you knew who you were really blogging with. for your information, I do not only have a masters degree in film and television from Loyola Marymount university but I am currently doing a post graduate in Cultural Anthropology where language is one of the main themes. language is a barrier and a uniting tool, it has been established by language experts that the japanease language has the most complex of formations after the language of the Masai in kenya. it is in dispute where language actually came from from kenya or namibia. you know who is ignorant, it is you.
you want to have an intelleigent convesation, if that will ever be possible, just something for you to digest: my comment was from a place of fraustration. becuase from where we saw movies like heritage africa, cobra verde, love brewed in African pots, the west african film industry just begun a downslide. with internet learning, travel, export and education, one will think movies from WA will become better because a person has to learn. a film like yankee girls was made so public and everyone was dying to see it, you waste 4.5hours on a pointless, aimless, cheap, thrill. Mirror of beauty, the hype was...oh God, we are showing in london, we are this we are that, you watch the film with great expectancy and what do you find? an idiotic storyline. they had a chance to screen in London, and what do they do? they show a piece of shit that noone will remember. My film professor in undergrad loved me not because I was smart, but because I had a chance to work with Ousmanu sembene, the greatest african filmmaker that ever lived. he was awed by him, sundance gave this man a standing ovation when his film moladee was screened. what is stopping others from doing this? one blogger said until they stop their hostility, nothing will happen.
the only reason why you think I am arrogant is because I can state facts you do not know. you feel threatened cos someone has an edge over your knowlwdge, that is where you are insecure, you should not feel threatened cossomeone knows what you don't, rather you pick the persons brain and add it to yours and get better. have ever produced a film? wrote a script?, financed a movie? worked on and african film set and an ameican film set? I am sure if honesty is key in your life, the answers will be no!!! well, I have, for my own privacy, I will not tell you who I am if i do, you will probably know who your are talking to because you have watched some of my screenplays. thanks.
You actually come across as extremely arrogant and slightly ignorant despite all your accolades dear. You might want to take it easy, i mean wtf? you make some good points but you need to calm down and have discourse with people not just spew with anger!Peace! smokin:
 

KikisMuffin

I no get ya time!!
#73
see where you are an idiot? you applied to Loyola, and they admitted you? you are a big liar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if you are in the shower and a mad man carries your cloth and you chase after him, you will be seen as the mad man. You guys have a BLOG BLOG BLOG BLOG BLOG, and you talk talk talk talk, with no means to do anything. why bother? at least I know some movers and shakers of the greatest film industry in the world. and oops I went to loyola, bad bad school, which one did you go to? USC? or LASU? with my low class college, I still have done much. see here my arrogant friend, its not your school, it is your skills.
Who is this clown, for real???sweat:sweat: You got to be kidding me..oh well, i guess it takes all types to make the world spin, eish!
 

KikisMuffin

I no get ya time!!
#74
I am not just going to let this pass me by one thing i've noticed from this kemi babe is that she seems to be to proud and arrogant and fails to see the whole point that every other person is making.
Secondly girl y start sthg u can't finish cos this is going to end up biting u in the butt. Ur approach to this issue is not the best u running ur mouth about the degrees u av does not justify ur lashing everyone here. There r better ways of approaching this issue.
Thirdly about blogs or forums. This is a forum and not a blog. I can tell u this cos i av and will still be studying computer science. Again using wikipedia as a source is not sthg u want to be doing cos it is not all that credible. I would encourage u to use credible sources to back up ur claims next time.
Finally if u think u can change the industry y not go ahead n do it rather making criticism from more than a thousand miles. I really do av problems with people like u who keep criticizing but neva lift a finger to solve the solution.
Spot on! She is entitled to her fustration with the industry given its current state(lord knows we all are!) but her entire approach was wrong and kinda stupidsmokin:
 
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