White Waters...finally out!

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takestyle

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the fact that you even think and confidently write that one must telephone a studio to get clearance to use a title simply exposed you. I told this as a joke and we all had a good laugh.
My intention was to ignore all further replies from you as I'm sure you have nothing worthwhile to say, but I couldn't let the above statement pass...

Please produce the quote where I said the above, that you "telephone" a studio to get clearance for a title... I'm pretty sure I never said that, and this is an example of the kind of dishonesty that I am talking about.

And by the way, if you want to talk about "exposing" people... I can produce *at least* ten different quotes by you that expose you talking out of your ass when it comes to film technique.

Shall I go ahead and post them? You know I'm just the kind of anal asshole who will go and dig up each and every one of them...

Angela81 said:
Force, I stated the flaws I saw. In fact, Rita messed up the movie for me. her character was pointless and I stated it. BUT, to kill each line in this movie will not be fair at all. why? the filmmaker tried to be different. he dared to be different. That is enough for me to turn a blind eye to the flaws.
Oh, it's okay when YOU state the flaws you see, but when Takestyle does it, it's because he's envious.

It's okay for YOU to sit on this board obsessing over Genevieve Nnaji on a frighteningly personal level, but when Takestyle does not lke a particular movie and says WHY (with no personal attacks on anybody related to the film) he's jealous because they're doing what he wishes he could do.

Get the hell out of here with that nonsense... What have YOU done?
 

TheForce

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Force, I stated the flaws I saw. In fact, Rita messed up the movie for me. her character was pointless and I stated it. BUT, to kill each line in this movie will not be fair at all. why? the filmmaker tried to be different. he dared to be different. That is enough for me to turn a blind eye to the flaws.
Just as you pointed out the flaws you noted, the same way others are liable to do same. We should be civil enough to leave personal attack out of this, a la you and TS.
The fact that White Water as a movie had been subjected to such intense critique speaks of two things.

1. It is a movie to be reckoned with, which is a plus.

2. For the categories of people and corporate bodies that were involved in the production, we expected something better. Which in itself is a minus.
 

Thickmadam

OHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHH!!
*TM settles down for a good showdown. it's been boring around here for the past few weeks, this is sure to liven up the place*

MODURATORS, abeg make una no come delete any posts here o, if not :mad:
 

Angela81

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takestyle;688320]My intention was to ignore all further replies from you as I'm sure you have nothing worthwhile to say, but I couldn't let the above statement pass...

Please produce the quote where I said the above, that you "telephone" a studio to get clearance for a title... I'm pretty sure I never said that, and this is an example of the kind of dishonesty that I am talking about.


http://www.naijarules.com/vb/ghanai...33270-abdul-salam-mumuni-hack.html#post682485

no be you wey write post #8? that you must get clearance for title from studio that you do not need clearance from the original writer? if someone writes a script, who do you think owns the copyright? it is the writer. a studio only leases a copyright for not more than some years after which it goes back to the original person. and a studio cannot transfer a copyright to a 3rd party without consent of the original writer. so, were you "frivolous and dishonest or not? or what you think surpasses copyright law?:confused:

And by the way, if you want to talk about "exposing" people... I can produce *at least* ten different quotes by you that expose you talking out of your ass when it comes to film technique.

Shall I go ahead and post them? You know I'm just the kind of anal asshole who will go and dig up each and every one of them...
please post them and I will back my words with evidence, not from my head but from the people who you think it is wrong to regard although it is "people" who make up an industry, not air.


Oh, it's okay when YOU state the flaws you see, but when Takestyle does it, it's because he's envious.

It's okay for YOU to sit on this board obsessing over Genevieve Nnaji on a frighteningly personal level, but when Takestyle does not lke a particular movie and says WHY (with no personal attacks on anybody related to the film) he's jealous because they're doing what he wishes he could do.

TS, I am not saying don't state flaws, but, say something good too. don't kill the whole movie? you do that a lot. that it why you come across as though you were jealous of other people who are living YOUR DREAM. and Genny is a person, not a movie. so I attack her as a person cos its the person I have issues with. I have not hidden the fact that she is not on my Christmas list. so try another angle.


Get the hell out of here with that nonsense... What have YOU done?
where will I go? I am stuck in Athens, the only black girl on this set. lol. what have I done? ah you will not claim I am bragging and dropping names? abi you wan put onion in my mouth and accuse me of having bad breath. why now? you are hilarious TS.
 

Angela81

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this is where white waters erred....

the film maker was/is not enlightened. and to me that is not a flaw. it is one thing to be smart and intelligent and it is another thing to be enlightened and exposed to different situations.

he tried, period! just like Wendy said, the filmmaker lacks exposure and maybe the kind of education needed to tell this type of story.
 

takestyle

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no be you wey write post #8? that you must get clearance for title from studio that you do not need clearance from the original writer? if someone writes a script, who do you think owns the copyright? it is the writer. a studio only leases a copyright for not more than some years after which it goes back to the original person. and a studio cannot transfer a copyright to a 3rd party without consent of the original writer. so, were you "frivolous and dishonest or not? or what you think surpasses copyright law?:confused:
Oh... I knew what you were referring to. I know very well what I said.

Please read my wording in that post.

takestyle said:
When I say "legal/copyright clearance" I mean it only so far as if it's a movie that is the property of a studio, you have to clear the use of that same title with the studio's legal department.
I was speaking SPECIFICALLY of a case where the movie is the property of the studio--which is a case that does frequently occur. So-oooo... The problem here is WHAT?

Reading is fundamental.

Angela81 said:
please post them and I will back my words with evidence, not from my head but from the people who you think it is wrong to regard although it is "people" who make up an industry, not air.
Sure... Let's take a look at some of Mary Angela's Greatest Misses:

1. Mary Angela attempts to make the argument that a director of photography is "first and foremost a DIRECTOR" and thus, shares the director's responsibility to guide actors' performances:

http://www.naijarules.com/vb/609783-post327.html

2. Mary Angela thinks John Grisham wrote The Da Vinci Code (movie and screenplay). When her error is pointed out, rather than taking the correction, she twists herself into shapes to justify her wrong assertion and tries to deny she said it:

http://www.naijarules.com/vb/606106-post20.html
http://www.naijarules.com/vb/606116-post22.html

3. Mary Angela gets PWNED and quickly shifts to ad hominem:

http://www.naijarules.com/vb/672759-post77.html
http://www.naijarules.com/vb/672761-post78.html

4. Mary Angela asserts that she is a "celebrity":

http://www.naijarules.com/vb/679033-post50.html

5. Mary Angela, the self-contradictory liar:

http://www.naijarules.com/vb/676841-post21.html

That's just five... I promised 10, right? I'll post some more soon... It's just that there's so much great material and I have to sift through it to find the best.

Angela81 said:
TS, I am not saying don't state flaws, but, say something good too. don't kill the whole movie? you do that a lot. that it why you come across as though you were jealous of other people who are living YOUR DREAM. and Genny is a person, not a movie. so I attack her as a person cos its the person I have issues with. I have not hidden the fact that she is not on my Christmas list. so try another angle.
This is the most foolish thing I have ever heard.

So you're saying it's better to attack a person (that you don't even know) than to say that you didn't like a film if you really didn't like it?

I didn't like White Waters... I said that I recognized what they were trying to do with it, but the finished product fell short of the goal. It's okay... Any piece of art is not going to be liked by everybody.

I didn't say Izu Ojukwu was a fool. I didn't say OC Ukeje was a goat. I didn't say Rita Dominic should be killed. In fact, I said that I still respect Izu and am looking forward to see more of his work even though I didn't like this one.

And you are telling me that what I said is worse than you spending hours upon hours and days upon days viciously and personally attacking someone's daughter, sister, mother, who you have never met?

:roll You know what? I think we better add this to Mary Angela's Greatest Misses above... So that's SIX!

Angela81 said:
where will I go? I am stuck in Athens, the only black girl on this set. lol. what have I done? ah you will not claim I am bragging and dropping names? abi you wan put onion in my mouth and accuse me of having bad breath. why now? you are hilarious TS.
No... I'm serious. I'm actually interested in knowing what you have DONE.

Not WHO you have MET.

What have you actually accomplished, Mary Angela? What are the personal achievements upon which you stand?

I mean, other than being the only black girl in Athens, which I'm sure is a magnificent feat. </sarcasm>
 

Thickmadam

OHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHH!!
WO!
modurators, if i come back to find that you have deleted any posts here ehnnn, i will fight all of you.

now angie and ts (my once upon a time darling) don't draw blood but carry on. in a perverse way i'm enjoying this.
 

Angela81

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I think you have just succeeded in making a fool of yourself. see, in your bid to make me look foolish, you have made yourself look foolish. dude, you cannot copyright a title! period! I can make a movie and call it crash. I need no permission from anyone!!

oh, so, you know you can write something but your sentence might not convey the full meaning of your words right? but you go and dig out John Grisham and Davinci code. you pathetic man.

lets take it from the top. You don't believe a DP is also a director? wow. wow. and you claim to be a filmmaker? lawd have mercy!! so, what is a DPs job? or you think directing is only about guiding characters? How you you think Tyler Perry gets away with playing multiple characters in his movies? because her has good DP who deals with the techical aspect of directing for him. he has a DP wo tells the story with the camera. you are such a dummy!!!

2.John grisham is bad? come on. did you read Davinci code? did you watch the movie? although i am an art director, i went to film school, and i write, that was my concentration so i know that a book cannot ever be as a film. you need to concise a book into a film.
you are so sad oh. so sad. you said John Grisham is bad, and I said really? John is bad? and moved on to another line of debate that did you see davinci code? that a book cannot be be like film. tell me, where did I say that Grisham wrote davinci code. point out the exact sentence where that happened. shame on you. I am really proud I can get under your skin to do a search on my past posts. LOL!!

3. really? I shifted? I think you just got your pants wet co you THOUGHT the mvosa person knew more than I did. he/she has facts yes, classroom facts BTW. but he also came to attack tulips, to try and say I am wrong he is right in defense of Ije and Genny. and where is he now? I am still here.

4. er, I teased you and that as mearnt to be a sarcastic comment, but lets go there shall we. I have multiple movie credits so by all means celebrity.com has my name there, so what if I say my name has "celebrity" attached to it?

5. LOL. I already admitted my faux pas. so you still have not said anything.

if anyone is a liar TS, it is you. admit it, you are a liar.


oh, do you know me? then why do you attack me? I know Genny so I can attack her. why should I attack a movie that has so many facets? if any thing sounds foolish, it is your comment above.

Google states all my work, what about you? stop asking me, I have asked you many times. i want to know what you have done? I even sent you 1 photo of my art director days. See, I know I do not have a big movie that I can call my own, I have never made that ascertion, what I have is knowledge and understanding, gotten from people who make the industry, if you want me to list my movie credits, I will. long long ones.

you are so sad. do I look black to you? that line was joke cos there is no black person on this set and I made jokes to each person that I am the only black and that's not good.

please eh, find something more substantial since I have so much power over you. I love this! how easy it is to push your buttons and get you scurrying like a squirrel. shows you are nothing but talk, which BTW is cheap.
 

uche

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@ TM you dey kulu temper abi you de fan fire.lol
wow e don tey dis kain enjoyment happen on naijarules.

BLOWING HOT LIKE FIRE
 

Angela81

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I was speaking SPECIFICALLY of a case where the movie is the property of the studio--which is a case that does frequently occur. So-oooo... The problem here is WHAT? Reading is fundamental.
oh wait, I forgot this. you know reading is fundamental? ok now look at yourself in the mirror and say it again...slowly until you believe it.

what do you mean by the movie a property of a studio? you mean like fox and slumdog? liar. the writers, directors and producers have their equity in the movie. the copyright of the script remains in the authority of the writer. it really does not matter who has the archived copy of the motion picture. when it comes to copyrights, everything is separated.

please, we all went hungry when WGA went on strike. don't cause them to go back with that horrible lie.

where did you get that lie anyway? please, let me know how you came up with that idea since you do not see the sense in regarding or meeting people who actually know and have the experience.

time you met people with experience in the film industry. come out and smell the roses.
 

takestyle

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lets take it from the top. You don't believe a DP is also a director? wow. wow. and you claim to be a filmmaker? lawd have mercy!! so, what is a DPs job? or you think directing is only about guiding characters? How you you think Tyler Perry gets away with playing multiple characters in his movies? because her has good DP who deals with the techical aspect of directing for him. he has a DP wo tells the story with the camera. you are such a dummy!!!
You dig your hole deeper and deeper...

If you read the context of the post, it had nothing to do with the DP dealing with "technical aspects of directing"... It was about ACTING and yes, guiding the performances (not "guiding the characters," as you say... That's the writer's job).

Angela81 said:
you are so sad oh. so sad. you said John Grisham is bad, and I said really? John is bad? and moved on to another line of debate that did you see davinci code? that a book cannot be be like film. tell me, where did I say that Grisham wrote davinci code. point out the exact sentence where that happened. shame on you. I am really proud I can get under your skin to do a search on my past posts. LOL!!
LMAO! For real?

Why did you bring up Da Vinci at all? What did it have to do with the subject?

Angela81 said:
John grisham is bad? come on. did you read Davinci code? did you watch the movie?
I think anybody reading the above would understand that you are offering up The Da Vinci Code as evidence that Grisham is not bad... not so?

Angela81 said:
really? I shifted? I think you just got your pants wet co you THOUGHT the mvosa person knew more than I did. he/she has facts yes, classroom facts BTW. but he also came to attack tulips, to try and say I am wrong he is right in defense of Ije and Genny. and where is he now? I am still here.
You're still here railing against Genny, who couldn't give a damn about you ether way.

Bravo.

Actually, I'm really not interested in whether or not zippy (not mrvosa) knew more than you... What that little clip illustrates how quickly you will shift to ad hominem when someone confronts you and calls you on your BS.

And for that reason... that's what I call entertainment!

Angela81 said:
er, I teased you and that as mearnt to be a sarcastic comment, but lets go there shall we. google my name and let see which website has my work. so, what point have you scored there?
What makes you think I know your full name? Or CARE? You see... On that assumption alone, you already lost.

Angela81 said:
LOL. I already admitted my faux pas. so you still have not said anything.
Yep... You admitted your faux pas only after I confronted you with incontrovertible evidence.

It still counts, mama.

Angela81 said:
oh, do you know me? then why do you attack me? I know Genny so I can attack her. why should I attack a movie that has so many facets? if any thing sounds foolish, it is your comment above.
When did I attack you?

The reason we're even having this conversation right now is because YOU can't seem to keep MY name out of your mouth, no be so?

Angela81 said:
Google states all my work, what about you? stop asking me, I have asked you many times. i want to know what you have done? I even sent you 1 photo of my art director days. See, I know I do not have a big movie that I can call my own, I have never made that ascertion, what I have is knowledge and understanding, gotten from people who make the industry, if you want me to list my movie credits, I will. long long ones.
You see, Angela... Unlike you, I have never come on this board bragging about what I have done or trying to use it to assert myself as any kind of authority.

As I have said before: if you *really* want to know about me, PM me your phone number. I'll give you a call and we can discuss our personal and professional lives till we're tired.

But as far as anything on this forum goes... I just don't think it's relevant. I don't make an issue of it, and I don't intend to explore it here.

Angela81 said:
you are so sad. do I look black to you? that line was joke cos there is no black person on this set and I made jokes to each person that I am the only black and that's not good.
Bravo. And that is relevant to me because....?

Angela81 said:
please eh, find something more substantial since I have so much power over you. I love this! how easy it is to push your buttons and get you scurrying like a squirrel. shows you are nothing but talk, which BTW is cheap.
My buttons are not pushed, though... I'm actually amusing myself with you and I am completely cool and relaxed as I always am. You're the one who is about to start abusing me and calling me gay any moment from now... So whose nerves are being worked here?
 

Angela81

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You dig your hole deeper and deeper...

If you read the context of the post, it had nothing to do with the DP dealing with "technical aspects of directing"... It was about ACTING and yes, guiding the performances (not "guiding the characters," as you say... That's the writer's job).



LMAO! For real?

Why did you bring up Da Vinci at all? What did it have to do with the subject?



I think anybody reading the above would understand that you are offering up The Da Vinci Code as evidence that Grisham is not bad... not so?



You're still here railing against Genny, who couldn't give a damn about you ether way.

Bravo.

Actually, I'm really not interested in whether or not zippy (not mrvosa) knew more than you... What that little clip illustrates how quickly you will shift to ad hominem when someone confronts you and calls you on your BS.

And for that reason... that's what I call entertainment!



What makes you think I know your full name? Or CARE? You see... On that assumption alone, you already lost.



Yep... You admitted your faux pas only after I confronted you with incontrovertible evidence.

It still counts, mama.



When did I attack you?

The reason we're even having this conversation right now is because YOU can't seem to keep MY name out of your mouth, no be so?



You see, Angela... Unlike you, I have never come on this board bragging about what I have done or trying to use it to assert myself as any kind of authority.

As I have said before: if you *really* want to know about me, PM me your phone number. I'll give you a call and we can discuss our personal and professional lives till we're tired.

But as far as anything on this forum goes... I just don't think it's relevant. I don't make an issue of it, and I don't intend to explore it here.



Bravo. And that is relevant to me because....?



My buttons are not pushed, though... I'm actually amusing myself with you and I am completely cool and relaxed as I always am. You're the one who is about to start abusing me and calling me gay any moment from now... So whose nerves are being worked here?
no, I'm the one chiling cos, I didn't go back to 12 months or so ago to pull threads. stop making yourself look like what you are not.

you have made yourself look foolish. and since I am so smart:spiny: I will quit whiles am ahead.

the floor is yours. make more fools.
 

Angela81

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aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, so, this is just about getting my phone number. ah. you for say that before now. why did we have to go through all this? you sabi kung fu? my significant other has a black belt lol. Sidney and Paj sef no go let you do that one oh.
 

takestyle

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no, I'm the one chiling cos, I didn't go back to 12 months or so ago to pull threads. stop making yourself look like what you are not.

you have made yourself look foolish. and since I am so smart:spiny: I will quit whiles am ahead.

the floor is yours. make more fools.
beeyatch please.

You challenged me to go pull old posts... i took you up on it. it wasn't hard to do; i have a memory like a steel trap (well... i used to anyway; old age is slowly catching up with me).

Don't let your mouth write checks your ass can't cash, babe... You sad you wanted to play, I brought the game to you.

It's obvious that you're flustered by the way your grammar and syntax is starting to degenerate and the way you keep making multiple responses to a single post, btw.
 

Angela81

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beeyatch please.

You challenged me to go pull old posts... i took you up on it. it wasn't hard to do; i have a memory like a steel trap (well... i used to anyway; old age is slowly catching up with me).

Don't let your mouth write checks your ass can't cash, babe... You sad you wanted to play, I brought the game to you.

It's obvious that you're flustered by the way your grammar and syntax is starting to degenerate and the way you keep making multiple responses to a single post, btw.
child please. and I have adequately made my case. I have a 12 hour day in the next couple of hours. why should I humor you? you are a cute little kitten. I play with you when I have time and kick you away when I am tired. so, here's a fluffy ball. catch!
 

takestyle

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child please. and I have adequately made my case. I have a 12 hour day in the next couple of hours. why should I humor you? you are a cute little kitten. I play with you when I have time and kick you away when I am tired. so, here's a fluffy ball. catch!
uh-huh. riiiiiiight.

Just take your L and be done with it, thou foul harpy!
 
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