Why we shoot movies abroad - Movie makers

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takestyle

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robbie said:
takestyle do you sleep online?
i meant what i said though...i have some ideas i'll like to pass by your very innovative mind
here's my email address lets talk further...robbieosh@yahoo.com
unfortunately, an ungodly chunk of my life is regularly spent staring at computer screens!

i'll zap you a line in an hour or two.
 

Sola

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takestyle said:
thanks for the vote of confidence. though!
:roll

Funny guy, i see you enjoy praise. The film world is definitely for you.
My responses so far here have been in reaction to conclusions you draw, in MY VIEW, erroneously, just to balance the picture painted since you never know who's reading here. They are not necessarily in support of anyone's stance. I totally have mine.

That said, we all don't have to toot the proverbial horn to let the world see what wonders we plan to do/or are doing. Make the movie and let it do the talking is what i always say. All the theories in the world will not a movie produce. After all these, please make the movie and let's move one more step forward. Make the movie, folks. Make the movie. Good luck.

PS: No, a Spielberg doesn't bother waiting for (dis)approval. He is already his own worst critic, as every storyteller should be. You mentioned Hitchcock earlier. You're the one who should never be satisfied, always wanting more. The audience in Nigeria now is largely happy with the filmmaking and the filmmakers will not advance if they rely on that feedback (yeah, feedback is not always what its touted to be). Be your own worst critic. Forget feedback.

I'm really done this time! :)
 

The Maverick

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robbie said:
Take style, i really like your style....you remind me of those rare hot blooded entrepreneurs... and i can't help wondering what you would do with a million dollars, if i had that kind of money i would risk it all on your rather controversal boat.
Excuse my high praise, but i really couldn't help it..

let me just say this no one ever breaks boundaries by playing according to the rules, you want to do something well follow the rules get your average applause get your average salary,pay your bills and manage your avaerage income...but then you want to break boundaries then go against all odds dare to be different...

Some of you talk of research and give high numbers to purchases of nolly wood flicks around the globe, i talk of forcasts and downward trends of purchases if we do not change the style of the movies that we are making, we need to strive towards quality not make excuses why we shouldn't...you talked about acceptance of movies and carrying the movie audience along and i ask you who is your target audience,right now the movie audience in nigeria are mostly old generation people,semi illiterates,lower income earners, etc...that sort of audience might pay your bills might make you believe you have a market but that sort of audience will not sustain the industry..we need to expand the industry to include this present generation to include eduated people and we wont do that unless we break boundaries,
GEEZ. what do you think is going to happen? that the audience will oneday pat you on the back and say i am ready for your high tech flicks,i am now mature....that won't happen atleast not in this century....we need to flirt with the audience, we need to lure them, intrigue them, challenge them...with new spell binding stories, things that havent been done before
I see a great future for nollywood that will manage to go beyond the walls that movie makers in nollywood have imagined in their minds....if you think of walls you wont see beyond those walls....you can only see as far as your eyes take you...i rest my case
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Man, Robbie, you too get way with words :fing33:

I tried as much as possible to not comment on this thread, but rather sit back, listen and learn. However, I succumbed and wrote something, though my comment was rather vague and impartial.

Consequently, your post above, has really tucked at the core of my intuition for the industry. And yes, I agree with your sentiments...
 

takestyle

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Sola said:
:roll

Funny guy, i see you enjoy praise.
LOL well, it's not so much that i emjoy praise... to be honest, it kinda embarrasses me. but i think that if someone goes out of their way to salute you, it's brutish not to acknowledge and thank them for it! :fing05:

Sola said:
My responses so far here have been in reaction to conclusions you draw, in MY VIEW, erroneously, just to balance the picture painted since you never know who's reading here. They are not necessarily in support of anyone's stance. I totally have mine.
well, what i DO enjoy is lively debate. i appreciate the fact that you may feel my views are erroneous. i always point out the the original Latin root for the word "compete" actually means "to struggle together" rather than "to struggle against". i'm always trying to learn something from every argument, rather than just to prove that i'm right.

but that doesn't mean that i will just accept any argument that is not well-supported, either.

Sola said:
That said, we all don't have to toot the proverbial horn to let the world see what wonders we plan to do/or are doing. Make the movie and let it do the talking is what i always say. All the theories in the world will not a movie produce. After all these, please make the movie and let's move one more step forward. Make the movie, folks. Make the movie. Good luck.
i agree. and when i make my movies, i am quite sure that many of you will totally HATE them. and i'd be glad to engage you in discussion about what you don't like about them.

just as long as you're not mean about it, of course!

Sola said:
PS: No, a Spielberg doesn't bother waiting for (dis)approval. He is already his own worst critic, as every storyteller should be. You mentioned Hitchcock earlier. You're the one who should never be satisfied, always wanting more. The audience in Nigeria now is largely happy with the filmmaking and the filmmakers will not advance if they rely on that feedback (yeah, feedback is not always what its touted to be). Be your own worst critic. Forget feedback.
totally agree.

and on that note of harmonious accord, i think that i too will retire from this lengthy and convoluted discussion.

unless someone else has something to add, of course.

okay... onward to the next controversial topic!

I'm really done this time! :)[/QUOTE]
 
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pompom

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Can't wait till day someone on this forum ponys up $100,000 not to talk of one million. Till that day.. all of our talk is an exercise in intellectual gibberish. Maverick, you will attest to what i am saying even though you don't want to agree to it.
 

moviewizard

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Well i wish to see more cinematic movies like that of Tunde kelani and another person who does more of more action with less dialogue is Izu Ojukwu and i think he is doing greatly in that regards...and as for whether nigerians would accept it, if its good, why noT...didnt Thunderbolt and the likes of other T.K's films win awards and commendations from so many viewers..just that some nolly producers believe in too much dialogue and sometimes bore u to death..and dont forget if they start this more action, less dialogue, how dem go fit split into two or three parts...remember that the longer the dialogue, the longer the movie so for now its purely business for 80% of nollywood directors.
 

amamellow

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this is the best thread i have seen since i joined nr, debating an issue with nobody raising hell, good job to all of you am really learning stuffs here
 

Sola

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moviewizard said:
just that some nolly producers believe in too much dialogue and sometimes bore u to death..and dont forget if they start this more action, less dialogue
MW, often some home movies don't really have TOO MUCH dialogue in the actual sense of the word. Some of our directors sometimes depend too much on just that conversation to advance the story (ignoring essential ingredients like actor's interaction and interpretation internal/external, location/set, etc) and don't take enough angles of the scene in reference to additionally spice things up. Many of the editors also lack a sense of motion, the required concept of aural/visual beats and rhythms in relation to ongoing action. They also lack the backbone to tell a director a scene is not tightly edited yet, or it is going to hell via prolongation. Even a wordy script visually shot and propped with relevant background music and good pacing, time will pass by quickly (reference to boring above). The blame is multi-shared. The script has to be tight. Absolutely no wastage. The director has to be clear-headed what he's trying to say, no matter the limitation of his resources, and he should work with his crew to say it clearly, letting actions speak where words can be eliminated, since as human beings, most of our communication is done via body language, not voice. The editor has to fit the project too.
 

The Maverick

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pompom said:
Can't wait till day someone on this forum ponys up $100,000 not to talk of one million. Till that day.. all of our talk is an exercise in intellectual gibberish. Maverick, you will attest to what i am saying even though you don't want to agree to it.
Pom, of course the finances are hard to come by...and I will attest to that wholeheartedly(you made a lot of good points, I'm not sure which one you're referring to that I won't agree with:bouncy ).

However, money doesn't automatically translate to cinematic wizardry nor does it make one an artistic genius(though it HELPS A WHOLE LOT). I don't think that thus far the debate has be pedestalled on the money issue too much. It's not just about putting up the money, and I'm sure if we had the money and believed strongly in what we're preaching, regardless of your position, we'll all pitch in. Because for one thing, if you break it all down, we all just want to see Nollywood succeed and achieve greater heights.

I read somewhere(can't remember) that the government ponied up some serious dough for a film processing lab to be built and even some extra money to set up training for filmmakers...apparently something was flimsily put up in Jos, and nothing became of that.

It's not all about the money. Poms, I'm sure you will also attest to this fact. Given what you've gone through with the production of 30 Days, I'm sure I won't be exaggerating when I say that YOU WILL ATTEST that a large percentage of Nollywood directors and producers won't achieve half of what you did for 30 Days, but you won't agree with me <praying: In fact, give them the budget you used for 30 Days, and hand them the script...you'll get 30 different movies instead, each with two parts, with different parts of the story stretched out so far that the limit of elasticity is broken. But that's just some...not all of them. Some could do a better job, but that's a very few some.

Like I said, it's not all about the money, if you ain't got the vision and imagination, you ain't got it. No amount of money can change that, unless you hire people with the vision.

But like Sola has been crying...let's make the damn movies.
 

vince

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On the behalf of all the active debaters on this thread,i sincerely apologise for all the big big grammar that were thrown around during the intense discuss.I hope the other NR members who had been following the debate did not spend too much cash on phensic.Me i dey commot.G'night,y'all!
 
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pompom

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Mav, my editor kicked me out again so I am back to you. Whether the so called people who are buying these films now can sustain the industry is all of our guesses but for now they are the ones buying it and I have to take them with me.

How many so called elite Nigerians have ponied up money ..apart from the Cross river State Governor .. nobody... The budget for 30 was big by nollywood standards but that is because I had people that believed in me and what I am trying to do. Mind you, I am sure they got a bit jittery until they saw the teasers. Believe me.. Nigerians who have a million dollars know that there are easier ways to make money than from films. Lets not talk about a million.. How about each person here contribute even $5,000. If we had sold shares of 30 Days for even $100 a unit, so called intellectuals will still not buy it. Bottomline we will not affect change in the industry by sitting on a computer... not for Africa. You have to go out there and convince the people financing this film that your cinematic way will recoup their money. You saw what some of your producers started looking at once it was time to put money on the table.... it is a doggy dog world out there man. You can not leave your subject audience behind even as you advance the cause....

With this piece, I will keep my peace on this thread but the saying "don't judge me until you have walked a mile in my shoe" is so apt here
 

OlaMichael

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vince said:
On the behalf of all the active debaters on this thread,i sincerely apologise for all the big big grammar that were thrown around during the intense discuss.I hope the other NR members who had been following the debate did not spend too much cash on phensic.Me i dey commot.G'night,y'all!
On the contrary Vince, this thread has been very enlightening where informing us about Nollywood and the art of film-making is concerned. As someone who is not into the movie industry, I have gleaned so much from this thread and from all who have contributed on both sides of the argument. So I say again, Kudos to al you folks. You all showed a certain level of knowledge about your particular art and industry.


As an aside and Re the highlighted, just like someone said (takestyle i think it was) near the beginning of this thread that nollywood directors underrate their audience by thinking they're stupid...don't you think you just underrated your reader's ability to grasp the use of big grammar?? :D ;) Just kidding.
 

OlaMichael

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@Sola or Vince,
I know both of you are done with the thread...or so I think but since both of you are moderators can I suggest you perhaps make this thread a sticky? Even though it was a debate, I think it contains a lot of good and valuable information regarding Nollywood and the film industry in general. At least walk away from the thread knowing what Prosaic and Cinematic films signify/depict.


In my opinion, it's the best thread I've read so far on Nollywood et al. What say you both :)
 

Crazy T

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OlaMichael said:
@Sola or Vince,
I know both of you are done with the thread...or so I think but since both of you are moderators can I suggest you perhaps make this thread a sticky? Even though it was a debate, I think it contains a lot of good and valuable information regarding Nollywood and the film industry in general. At least walk away from the thread knowing what Prosaic and Cinematic films signify/depict.


In my opinion, it's the best thread I've read so far on Nollywood et al. What say you both :)

Thanks Olamichael, I totally :1iagree: with you on this...
 

amamellow

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:1iagree:




OlaMichael said:
@Sola or Vince,
I know both of you are done with the thread...or so I think but since both of you are moderators can I suggest you perhaps make this thread a sticky? Even though it was a debate, I think it contains a lot of good and valuable information regarding Nollywood and the film industry in general. At least walk away from the thread knowing what Prosaic and Cinematic films signify/depict.


In my opinion, it's the best thread I've read so far on Nollywood et al. What say you both :)
 

khamileon

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vince said:
On the behalf of all the active debaters on this thread,i sincerely apologise for all the big big grammar that were thrown around during the intense discuss.I hope the other NR members who had been following the debate did not spend too much cash on phensic.Me i dey commot.G'night,y'all!
Bia....this one come too late. So u berra send the money wey i use to buy the melesine cause the Headache still dey broke me!:gnash :gnash :gnash
 

khamileon

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pompom said:
Mav, my editor kicked me out again so I am back to you. Whether the so called people who are buying these films now can sustain the industry is all of our guesses but for now they are the ones buying it and I have to take them with me.

How many so called elite Nigerians have ponied up money ..apart from the Cross river State Governor .. nobody... The budget for 30 was big by nollywood standards but that is because I had people that believed in me and what I am trying to do. Mind you, I am sure they got a bit jittery until they saw the teasers. Believe me.. Nigerians who have a million dollars know that there are easier ways to make money than from films. Lets not talk about a million.. How about each person here contribute even $5,000. If we had sold shares of 30 Days for even $100 a unit, so called intellectuals will still not buy it. Bottomline we will not affect change in the industry by sitting on a computer... not for Africa. You have to go out there and convince the people financing this film that your cinematic way will recoup their money. You saw what some of your producers started looking at once it was time to put money on the table.... it is a doggy dog world out there man. You can not leave your subject audience behind even as you advance the cause....

With this piece, I will keep my peace on this thread but the saying "don't judge me until you have walked a mile in my shoe" is so apt here
GBAM 20x..... the thing wey man don argue tire don return back almost two years later.....and Na still TALK we dey!... Anyway I hapy say fiful like Pompom and the rest don take over, so make KHAMI rest and dey watch the Drama ati grammer.... Beti before I go rest I wan jest make a small comment say in the next two years, na the same talk we go dey.... Those wey go take aktion, go take action, those wey go continue the theory of talking go continue....Still its better to dialouge and maybe someday....

Seguobe!

PS: By the way I still love MAMARITA!music-sm: :biggrinsa music-sm:
 
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