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Yoruba Actors and English Movies

Discussion in 'AFRICAN MOVIES, TV & WEB SHOWS' started by Meddeen250, Jul 30, 2009.

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  1. sky_flies

    sky_flies Well-Known Member

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    Hey Madam, hold your breath and stop pepping this thread!!! Are you in any means suggesting Desmond Elliot a tribalist? That humble fella has got absolutely no time for such preferences. Same Reloaded you speak of has Rita Dominic, Stephanie Okereke and Uche Jombo in it. BTW, must the Igbos be in every EMG movie?? Please!! You now acting like them.
     
  2. Honourable

    Honourable Mr. Naijarules!

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    YES! Mercy is a dynamite and she is excelling tremeduosly! AND she is NOT Igbo!
     
  3. sky_flies

    sky_flies Well-Known Member

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    Definetly my last reply to you.

    Mr. Will-o' the wisp, what has that got to do with anything!? Your claims of the "long time closed door" on YMG actors? or claims on the closed door on Igbos doing YMG movies?? I have been reading all your post and you just turning around circles like a circus.... I am beginning to think, maybe this is some kinda game to you. Nobody on this thread have actually said "they is no tribalism in Nollywood, the Igbos love the Yorubas with all thy heart and more" but the way you exaggerate and blow matters out of proportion, thus, convey Igbos marketers as animals while Yorubas as the glorified brother keepers gives me nausea.

    Moreover, when the Igbo say Ngozi belongs to the Yorubas does that literally mean they won't cast her for their films? Afterall despite her devotion to the Yorubas, they still use the derogatory phrase Omo Ibo on her. Now, she has left herself in a dilemma and must dance to the beat of the music she instigated.

    Ramsey has Yoruba lineage yet, he doesn't act in that genre because the pay is low due to inadequate funding, and most importantly he discovered sales of YMG movies with him in it where far higher than his allowance due to star power so he stopped doing cheap jobs.... same goes out for Omotola..... If you can't pay them don't bother contacting them, cause their fanbase surpasses tribal sentiments.
     
  4. takestyle

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    Okay... Vince? If I'm gonna continue this discussion from you, I'm gonna need a little more commitment and consistency from you.

    It seems like whenever you run out of gas or are faced with questions you can't answer, you say "Well, I am not going to indulge in this kind of discussion... I am gone. Bye!" and then I'm like "okay, Vince is out... no problem."

    And then the next day, you are back with a rebuttal.

    As the song says, let your yea be yea... let your no be no.

    In any case, I don't think it's even much of a question that Yorubas cherish their *group* identity more than Igbos do. The Igbos' relative lack of care for group identity is in fact one of the things that causes other Nigerians to say that Igbos don't really HAVE a culture... Because group identity is what most Nigerians think "culture" is: this is how WE do things, this is how WE think, etc.

    And that's fine... But group identity politics and collectivism is exactly what breeds tribalism. As I pointed out yesterday, you are a prime example of this: When I stated my *personal* opinion that Yorubas have more tribalistic tendencies, rather than you to respond "Oh Takestyle, is that what you *as an individual* think? What is your reasoning behind that idea?" your first thought was "Well, of course you believe that because you are Ibo {sic}."

    A tribalist's mind always goes there first... They always assume everybody's ideas are driven by *group* identity because their own are.

    In any case, I never claimed that any tribe was free of tribalism. In fact, I clearly said MOST Nigerians are tribalists. What I said, though, was that I think Yoruba people are relatively more likely to be influenced by their tribalistic ideas while Igbos have a better chance of bypassing their tribalism if they think it will lead to them making money.
     
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  5. vince

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    @takestyle
    This discussion was never about tribalism of a whole ethnic group,but certain members(igbo EMG marketers) and my posts were squarely directed at these people and these people only.It was you,sky_flies and mr honourable who made it into a full scale tribal war.
    I am not really interested in a debate about which ethnic group is more into tribalism than the other and what the reasons are behind that because it is neither here nor there.As far as i am concerned every ethnic group is guilty of this,and that includes the yorubas.But that is neither here nor there,is it?
    But the point i will continue to reiterate tirelessly is that a small group of marketers of the igbo extraction practised tribalism in the EMG sector of nollywood when it should not have been done.YOUR TRIBESMEN SCREWED UP EMG NOLLYWOOD BIG TIME WITH THEIR TRIBALISTIC POLICIES.Any discussion outside that is of no relevance either to me or to this issue here.
    Your analysis(which is very flawed,anyway) on why yoruba ethnic group is more tribalistic than the igbos is of no relevance here.
     
  6. vince

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    I won't bother with you,sky.You are always shortcircuiting, missing the points,and misunderstanding everything,anyway.Maybe if you become less emotionally involved in the discussion,you will be much more focused and able to understand posts better.
     
  7. takestyle

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    If it's not relevant to you, why are you replying?

    Go back to the post in which I introduced that idea: I didn't present it as a direct continuation of the whole issue of who did what in Nollywood... I presented it as a teachable moment; an opportunity to throw certain ideas out there to test the way people think about certain things.

    If you're interested in exploring that issue with me, then let's do that... If you're not interested, then let it lie. Most other people decided not to pick up the issue, which is no surprise to me... There are certain levels of discussion which I have found never take off on this board.

    But this is why I say I need more commitment from you. You say that it's not relevant, and yet you still want to say "Your analysis is flawed." If it's flawed, then tell me WHY. Or if you don't want to talk about it at all, then shut the hell up and don't say anything at all.

    As for this "your tribesmen" shit... *shrug* I told you: I really don't deal with that "tribesmen" stuff. I'm Igbo, and I am proud of my cultural heritage, but I really don't play that "tribesman" game... Something about the inherent collectivism of the word rubs me the wrong way.

    Are there some INDIVIDUALS who "messed up Nollywood"? Sure... Are most of them Igbo? Maybe...

    But to make it primarily *about* what tribe they are from? That is just stupid.
     
  8. vince

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    Because you have strayed off course and i need to redirect you.That is why.
     
  9. takestyle

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    Actually, this is further redirection, isn't it?

    When I originally posted it, basically nobody picked up the discussion... I took that as an indication that nobody wanted to talk about it, so I didn't pursue it any further.

    That should have been the end of it, but because you could not resist the urge the backtalk me in some way, here we are talking about it again.

    And not even talking about it, but talking about talking about it.

    I dropped the discussion pages ago and you resurrected it why? Just to try and put me in my place (though you actually did a poor job of doing so)?

    Just let it go... if it don't apply, let it fly. I know NR does not really like ideological/abstract discussions because most of the people here tend to be very emotional (NTTAWWT), but once in a while I like to throw these ideas out to see if anybody bites.
     
  10. vince

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    Atleast you can see that...we are getting somewhere...
    That had to be done because what we are dealing with here is "tribalism".So speaking out the ethnic identity of those who are perpetrating this negative act is both logical and appropriate.There is nothing stupid about it.It belongs firmly in the debate.If you find the exposure unsavoury because they are your tribesmen,then that is just too bad.The truth needs to be told in very clear terms.
     
  11. takestyle

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    LOL @ "unsavoury"

    First of all, I have told you: I don't deal with that "tribesman" stuff... That is YOU and YOUR thinking.

    I am very firmly an individual. I am Igbo, yes... But what another Igbo person eats does not make me shit. The actions of another Igbo person do not make me ashamed because I can't answer for what anybody else does. I am responsible only for my OWN actions.

    You are so committed to collectivism and tribalism, it seems this idea will never penetrate your consciousness.

    Secondly... No, the discussion was NOT originally about tribalism. In fact, Meddeen firmly stated in the original post that this is not the point. But YOU forced the tribalism issue in, as it is your obsession.

    If YOU are allowed to introduce new ideas into the discussion because you think they are necessary, am I not allowed to do the same?
     
  12. vince

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    Here is part of what meddeen posted in the opening post.

    And i gave an appropriate response on what meddeen's enquiries as it is,exactly,by giving him the reason why he will not be seeing these actors in EMG,and that reason is based heavily on TRIBALISM practiced by a group of igbo marketers who funds that sector.That is the bitter truth.
    Maybe meddeen should never have enquired about this in the first place,because there was no way the tribalism issue would have been left out.
    If the situation of EMG were to be flipped and the marketers were to be yorubas and the igbos were to be the ones kept out,oh boy, we would never hear the end of it.There will be far more dusts kicked up by you guys in here about the yoruba tribalism and the igbo actors' marginalization and all such good stuff. If anything,the yoruba members of NR are very quiet about this because there really is no need to talk about it,afterall we have our own sector making movies that we watch.
    Meddeen is a slimy one.He knew quite well what his thread will generate if he opened it,but he went ahead and did it,anyway.And now he is faking surprise at what the thread has turned into.
     
  13. takestyle

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    Vince. I am going to say this to you ONE last time.

    When you are addressing me, kindly address only things that *I* have specifically said, positions *I* have specifically put forward, and don't group me in any "you guys," okay?

    I realize that tribalistic "us vs. them" thinking runs deep within you, but I beg you... Out of respect, just try to curb it when you are talking to me because it is getting tiring.
     
  14. vince

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    Stop faking,takestyle.The tribal us vs them thinking runs as deep in you as in everybody else in here.Who are you decieving but yourself?Definitely not me.
     
  15. takestyle

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    Nope. Not me.

    Everybody probably has some degree of partisan sentiment in them, but how it manifests itself depends on your particular orientation. I'm not tribally-oriented, never have been. As I said before, being Nigerian is more important to me than being Igbo... That's just the way I came up; being Igbo is not that huge a part of my identity.

    Now... If this were an issue of Nigeria vs. South Africa, you might see my "us vs. them" come out a bit... But even then, I have been training myself to control that, because it's mostly stupid. People are individuals and to judge an individual based on a group identity is retarded.

    But tribe in particular? It's always been fairly irrelevant to my existence.
     
  16. Honourable

    Honourable Mr. Naijarules!

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    No, YOU triggered the "war" when you dared to accuse an entire industry of being the exact same thing the industry you defend is guilty of! The Yoruba Movie Industry has not only been known to suffer great financial setback but also is very backward in terms of marketing which is the reason for its financial peril that YOU don't want to publicly admit to.

     
  17. vince

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    Let these igbo marketers butt out of the creative sector of EMG and concentrate on what they are supposed to know about,which is funding and marketing - even that they have no clue about - and leave that sector to real producers to handle.
    That is the only way normalcy can return to that sector.That is the only way that sector will reflect the diversity that is the reality of nigeria.
    LET THEM BUTT OUT,QUIT,LEAVE THE CREATIVE DEPT. OF THE EMG.Na my own be dat.Make dem commot.
     
  18. vince

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    Mr honourable warrior,i triggered nothing.I only stated what was true.But if stating the truth as it is is the trigger,then so be it.
    If another thread on this same issue is opened again,i will still state exactly the same views.Shikena.
     
  19. Honourable

    Honourable Mr. Naijarules!

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    :laugh:

    You can whine about it from here to Jericho!! Ain't gonna change NADA!!

    THOSE IGBO MARKETERS ARE HERE TO STAY!!!

    They should stop making their money and doing what they love doing because you said so!!

    Let's go there!!!
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    Honourable Mr. Naijarules!

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    Mallam Vince, if another thread on the same issue is opened again, I will also state and react the same way! Gbam!

     
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